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Majority of Americans Favour Iraq Troop Withdrawal
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Posted on 06/14/2005 1:37:41 PM PDT by phoenix_004

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To: Normal4me

Excellent post...LOLOLOL


62 posted on 06/14/2005 2:32:10 PM PDT by PaulaB (Jesus is coming......Are you ready?)
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To: Normal4me
Who's the enemy?! Radical Islamist.

I'm glad Churchill didn't think the enemy was the radical element within the Nazi party. The enemy isn't radical Islam. Read the Qu'ran (before you flush it)...

The enemy is Islam!

63 posted on 06/14/2005 2:44:48 PM PDT by Dark Skies (Islam is the wolf at the door. Shall we pet it...or kill it)
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To: All
The foll. is my view on this issue. I posted this earlier but surprisingly no one took any notice of it!!!!??............................I think its the biggest mistake we could possibly make!!! Withdrawing troops from iraq at this point of time will result in utter chaos and confusion!!! Iraqi troops are hardly well trained to deal with such a situation and terrorists will soon gain the upper hand....... At best it will result in a civil war between shias and sunnis and worst-- Iraq will become the new base for al-qaeda and terror groups!!!!
64 posted on 06/14/2005 2:45:29 PM PDT by phoenix_004
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To: phoenix_004

so i am posting it again!!


65 posted on 06/14/2005 2:46:27 PM PDT by phoenix_004
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To: phoenix_004
...Many adults in the United States believe their government should begin to implement an exit strategy in Iraq...

I have to agree. We should begin implementing an exit strategy - from WW2, and the Korean War. We still have troops stationed in Japan, Germany and Korea along with many other places around the globe. Let's have that WW2 exit strategy exercised today.

66 posted on 06/14/2005 2:48:58 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: phoenix_004

Gee, why the numbers go up in these polls over a few months, couldn't be the MSM and their chicken little mentality could it?


67 posted on 06/14/2005 3:09:54 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick



Geez - we're still in Germany and Japan and that war has been over a few decades already.


Stay until the job is done.


Take their gas, kick their .... donkeys.


68 posted on 06/14/2005 3:38:35 PM PDT by Dashing Dasher (To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of FReepers...)
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To: phoenix_004
Majority of Americans Favour Iraq Troop Withdrawal

I don't.

69 posted on 06/14/2005 3:40:53 PM PDT by RedBeaconNY (Tu parles trop, mais tu ne dis rien.)
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To: Dark Skies

Whatever dude, let's go and kill a billion people then because of the book they read.


70 posted on 06/14/2005 5:02:28 PM PDT by Normal4me
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To: Normal4me

You're surely not that shallow...read the book and come back.


71 posted on 06/14/2005 5:06:33 PM PDT by Dark Skies (Islam is the wolf at the door. Shall we pet it...or kill it)
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To: Dark Skies; USF

Naming the Enemy:

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2021



In a striking admission, George W. Bush said the other day: "We actually misnamed the war on terror. It ought to be [called] the struggle against ideological extremists who do not believe in free societies and who happen to use terror as a weapon to try to shake the conscience of the free world."

This important concession follows growing criticism of the misleading term "war on terror" (how can one fight a tactic?) and replaces it with the more accurate "war on ideological extremists." With this change, the battle of ideas can begin.

But who exactly are those ideological extremists? The next step is for Mr. Bush to give them a name.

In fact, he on occasion since September 11 has spoken candidly about their identity. As early as September 2001, he referred to the enemy being "a fringe form of Islamic extremism" which seeks "to kill Christians and Jews, to kill all Americans, and make no distinction among military and civilians, including women and children." This Islamic extremism also is heir to "all the murderous ideologies of the twentieth century," including "fascism, and Nazism, and totalitarianism."

In January 2002, Mr. Bush was more specific yet, adding that the terrorist underworld includes "groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, [and] Jaish-i-Mohammed." In May 2002, he pointed out that a "new totalitarian threat" exists whose adherents "are defined by their hatreds: they hate … Jews and Christians and all Muslims who disagree with them" (implying that they are Muslims). Those adherents, he noted, feel entitled to kill "in the name of a false religious purity."

A year later, in May 2003, the president provided details about the Islamists' goals, observing that "nineteen evil men—the shock troops of a hateful ideology—gave America and the civilized world a glimpse of their ambitions. They imagined, in the words of [Ramzi Binalshibh, the Al-Qaeda leader accused of directing the 9/11 operation], that September the 11th would be the ‘beginning of the end of America.'"

The terrorist acts of the past two decades, Mr. Bush noted in April 2004, are the work of fanatical, political ideologues who "seek tyranny in the Middle East and beyond. They seek to oppress and persecute women. They seek the death of Jews and Christians, and every Muslim who desires peace over theocratic terror."

Last month, Bush for the first time used the phrase "Islamic militants," perhaps his most explicit reference until now to the Islamist threat, saying that until he closed a so-called Islamic charity based in Illinois, the Benevolence International Foundation, it "channel[ed] money to Islamic militants."

Rolling these comments into a single summary statement establishes how Mr. Bush – and by extension the whole of the U.S. government – sees the enemy: A false doctrine of Islamic purity inspires a totalitarian ideology of power and domination. In its ruthlessness, murderousness, and global ambition, it resembles the Nazi and communist ideologies. The extremists who advocate this doctrine see America as the chief obstacle to achieving their goals. To defeat America, they initially seek Washington's retreat from the outside world. Ultimately, they hope to bring about a collapse of America as it now exists. Toward this end, they are prepared to murder any number of Americans.

This is a fine description of Islamism, its mentality, methods, and means. It also shows that Mr. Bush draws the subtle distinction between the personal faith of Islam and the political ideology of Islamism (or militant Islam).

In this, he parallels what a number of Muslim leaders – including even some Saudis – have said. Following acts of terrorism in Riyadh in May 2003, Interior Minister Prince Naif publicly attributed this violence to "ideology" and "fanatical ideas." And if Naif – himself an Islamist – attributes the problem ultimately not to acts of violence but the ideas behind them, surely Americans can say no less.

Mr. Bush has already alluded to America having to confront its third totalitarian ideology. Now he should name that ideology. I hope he will surround himself with a group of distinguished anti-Islamist Muslims, foreign and domestic alike, and formally announce America's acceptance of leadership in the war against Islamism.

Only with such specificity can the civilized world start on the path to victory over this latest manifestation of barbarism.


72 posted on 06/14/2005 5:11:14 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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To: PaulaB
I'll name it...it's called Evil...
"States like these, and their terrorist allies, constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world." President George W. Bush, SOTU, 1-29-02

Sorry, he beat you to it.

I always think of the fights God sent his people to in the Old Testament....he told them to kill everything and bury it so that all evil is gone....

You may also want to think about the fact that His people DID NOT obey Him. Had they done so, the ME would look completely different today. Instead they married their women, kept choice animals etc.

unfortunately we no longer have the heart of the fighting men in the Bible...

As I just pointed out, the fighting men in the Bible did not "have the heart" to eradicate the problem either, thus, we are dealing with the same problem today, as every generation somewhere in the world has had to deal with it.
Sad but true.

73 posted on 06/14/2005 5:12:26 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - L O V E - my attitude problem!)
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To: phoenix_004

I think we need to pull our military out of every where...starting with the places we have been the longest...Germany, Japan, Korea, Bosnia....then Iraq.


74 posted on 06/14/2005 5:15:18 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (If their Chief of police is okay with it, I am guessing that we should probably be okay with it.)
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To: phoenix_004
59 per cent of respondents believe the U.S. should withdraw some or all troops from Iraq, a 10 per cent increase since February.

Phony statistics. They group respondents who call for a FULL troop withdrawal with respondents who call for "some" troop withdrawals and come to the conclusion that a "majority" of Americans want the U.S. to abandon Iraq. Classic media manipulation.

75 posted on 06/14/2005 5:16:13 PM PDT by Libertarian444
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To: Americanexpat
I wish people would read!!

The numbers DID NOT GO UP!!!

Click the link - and READ the questions and responses!

76 posted on 06/14/2005 5:18:22 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - L O V E - my attitude problem!)
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To: phoenix_004

In all honesty, I am definitely in favor of withdrawing the military from Iraq, and everyone I know thinks the same way. When mission is completed...


77 posted on 06/14/2005 5:18:31 PM PDT by dakine
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To: phoenix_004

Hummm. CNN and USA nuff said. Hell No that would be premature pull out.


78 posted on 06/14/2005 5:19:51 PM PDT by usnret99 (I served! Have You?)
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To: Justanobody

Take a chill pill, don't want you to have a heart attack.


79 posted on 06/14/2005 5:32:47 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: Justanobody

Good man...such comments quicken our hearts that we do the Lord's bidding...if a little late.


80 posted on 06/14/2005 5:33:14 PM PDT by Dark Skies (Islam is the wolf at the door. Shall we pet it...or kill it)
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