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To: phoenix_004

I think it's lame that the administration gets away with having no time tables, no estimates, no assumptions. Just cutesy "however long it takes" rhetoric, and a total lack of information to the American public. I voted for these guys, but that's not saying much when you consider the alternative. I mean, fine, resolve is great. Staying the course is great. But are you trying to tell me no one in the gubmint has a friggin clue about how long it will take to squash the insurgency or train Iraqis to take over for themselves?


22 posted on 06/14/2005 1:49:01 PM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: Huck
But are you trying to tell me no one in the gubmint has a friggin clue about how long it will take to squash the insurgency or train Iraqis to take over for themselves?

Let's assume for the sake of argument that they don't have any idea how long this whole thing will take. Does it follow that we should not do it at all?

31 posted on 06/14/2005 1:57:01 PM PDT by nosofar
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To: Huck

Attention enemies: We will be leaving the area on October 16, 2005. Smart thinking, Huck. The lack of information to the American public is also a lack of information to the terrorists.


32 posted on 06/14/2005 1:58:59 PM PDT by bukkdems ("My aunt was very frugal" - Benon Savon)
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To: Huck
I think it's lame that the administration gets away with having no time tables, no estimates, no assumptions. Just cutesy "however long it takes" rhetoric, and a total lack of information to the American public.

You can't be this clueless. You actually think that we should make our war plans public?

33 posted on 06/14/2005 1:59:11 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
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To: Huck; phoenix_004
I think it's lame that the administration gets away with having no time tables, no estimates, no assumptions. Just cutesy "however long it takes" rhetoric, and a total lack of information to the American public.

Imagine asking FDR in 1942 how much its going to cost, and how long are we going to be over there...

The answer then, as now, is that its unknowable. It depends in part on the enemy. How long will it be before the enemy sees this fight as hopeless, unwinnable, and gives it up? An important piece of this puzzle is the perception the enemy has of our resolve. If he sees us waver every time we take a hit, then hope for him is still alive, and the fight continues.

I would say that the time table is tied to the Iraqi government's ability to defend itself, and there are probably still a couple of names from the "deck of cards" that we want to take down before we declare victory. Those two are probably the bottom line issues, and how that relates to a calendar is probably irrelevant.

Beyond that, my guess is that we aren't leaving until Syria has been pushed into holding elections. So my guess is we're there for another five years.

47 posted on 06/14/2005 2:08:11 PM PDT by marron
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To: Huck
Have you read the histories of Germany and Japan, after WW II ended in those two countries? At the beginning of the occupations, we did not have a clue how long it would take to straighten out both of those nations so we could bring (all but a token number of) our troops home. The post-war German history is especially interesting. There was a two-year fight between the Department of Defense and the State Department over what approach to rebuilding Germany was the correct one. This is not an easy process. There is no snap-your-fingers quick answer.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column: "Gitmo In, Gitmo Out?"

51 posted on 06/14/2005 2:12:49 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (For copies of my speech, "Dealing with Outlaw Judges," please Freepmail me.)
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