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Will the speed of light always be a barrier?
Air and Space Magaine. Vol # 1 March 1978 | March 1978 | Editorial Staff w/ Melvin B. Zistein

Posted on 06/12/2005 6:00:55 PM PDT by vannrox

Light Speed a Barrier?


To go, the children of tomorrow may have had to discover what is believed impossible today -- how to travel faster than light.

Mel Zisfein, deputy director of the national Air and Space Museum, and an aerosynamicist amoung other things, has noted a similarity between the way most people today regard "C," the speed of light, and the way many people a generation or so ago regarded "a", the speed of sound. For this publication, he sketched the illustrations which appear on the following page, and drafted the following...

"Some people used to look at the so-called compressibility effect curves and said that we'll never fly a winged aircraft faster than the speed of sound. As we increase speed from ero, the forces associated with air pressure, like drag, will rise ever faster and tend toward infinity as we approach the speed of sound, which is a barrier we can't pass.

"However, people knew that artillery shells - although not winged aircraft - went faster than the speed of sound, so perhaps there was a chance for airplanes. Subsequently, on October 14 1947, the Bell X-1 flew supersonically, and today, supersonic flight is an everyday occurrence.

"Earlier, people working with the flow of gases through nozzles had run into a similar manifestation of a 'sound barrier'. When a gas, like air, was put through a simple nozzle

...the speed of sound "a", looked like the highest achievable velocity. The more pressure that was applied across the nozzle, the more energy was dissipated in shocks int eh nozzle, leaving the exit velocity no higher than the speed of sound. However the De Laval nozzle was invented...

in which the exit speed could be supersonic.

"Now, some people look at the equations and curves of einstein's special theory of Relativity like the one form mass 'm' (formula to the right).

They notice the similarity in form to the earlier aerodynamic pressure equation and its curve . Some people say we;ll never move faster than "c:, the speed of light. As we increase speed from zero, the mass of any body will rise ever faster and tend toward infinity, as we approach the speed of light, which is a barrier we can't pass.

'There is much evidence to support this position. From where we stand today (1978), exceeding the speed of light appears to be a vstly more difficult endeavor than exceeding the speed of sound. Maybe however, that it is only because we haven't figured out how to do it.

"The basic physical principles are vastly different. But I remain fascinated with the mathematical similarities between the pressure equation and the curve of the sound barrier, and the mass equation and the curve of the light barrier.I just wonder if there is some wa which we will find some day to enable us to drive particles, and perhaps space vehicles, to speeds faster than "c".


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This was written in the days when I was a young Aerospace Engineering student. Quite a bit has happened since this article was written. Namely Jimmy Carter and his change of direction for NASA. Anyone remember the crash of the SKY-LAB? Then Ronald Regan who wanted to develop NASP, the space station, and the SDI....only to Bill Clinton and Al Gore divert all the funds for the Children...

There are questions whether "c" is a constant at all...There are questions in the fundamental action and behavoir and assumtptions of matter, and all of this has resulted the having subatomic particles travel faster than the speed of light.

Perhaps some day we might be able to travel faster than light. It certainly would be cool. But I doublt that it will be in my lifetime.
1 posted on 06/12/2005 6:00:56 PM PDT by vannrox
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To: vannrox

A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle in which travel occurs at the speed of thought. That'd be fast.


2 posted on 06/12/2005 6:11:25 PM PDT by bwteim
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I have arrived from 150 years in the future to tell you that the light barrier will eventually be broken. However, we still haven't invented a reliable battery. That's why I'm still stuck in 2005. My time machine has a dead nyglohyphelium cell and they won't be invented until 2057.

Until then, we have seventeen more bad Coldplay albums to suffer through.

3 posted on 06/12/2005 6:12:29 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Don't You Think This Outlaw Bit's Done Got Out Of Hand?)
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To: SamAdams76

You told us about that next year already.


4 posted on 06/12/2005 6:13:36 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I zot trolls for fun and profit.)
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To: SamAdams76

Perfect post. LMAO.


5 posted on 06/12/2005 6:14:33 PM PDT by billdcon
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There was a young lady named Bright,
who traveled much faster that light....
she started one day,
in a Relative way,
and returned on the previous night.
6 posted on 06/12/2005 6:15:54 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: SamAdams76

Care to post some stock market tables?


7 posted on 06/12/2005 6:16:28 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: vannrox

The speed of light has been broken many times. Look how fast Democrats went from complaining "GW did nothing to prevent 911" at the 911 hearings, to complaining "GW is trying to prevent 911" at Gitmo.


8 posted on 06/12/2005 6:17:21 PM PDT by EdHallick ("KAAAAAAAAAAHN!" - Capt. James T. Kirk)
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To: SamAdams76

I heard you can make a flux capacitor out of a cell phone, a DVD player, and a few miscellaneous parts from Radio Shack.

Good Luck.


9 posted on 06/12/2005 6:17:49 PM PDT by spinestein ("Just hold your nose and vote for Kerry" --- WORST CAMPAIGN SLOGAN EVER!)
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To: GSlob

I would but I flunked out of history...and economics.


10 posted on 06/12/2005 6:17:50 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Don't You Think This Outlaw Bit's Done Got Out Of Hand?)
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To: bwteim

"the speed of thought. That'd be fast."
Not for me it wouldn't!


11 posted on 06/12/2005 6:18:00 PM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: SamAdams76

Thank you. I`m glad I`m not the only person who can`t stand that idiot band.


12 posted on 06/12/2005 6:18:26 PM PDT by EdHallick ("KAAAAAAAAAAHN!" - Capt. James T. Kirk)
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I am from 151 years in the future and I am here to tell you, don't bother coming back. I came back in time to escape the Armageddon that has come since you messed with he time stream. Flower power is back, and all thats played on the radio are New Kids on the Block cover bands.

On a lighter note, the galactic congress has raised the light speed limit of light in Metroplanetarian areas to C+5 MPH and has eliminated it altogether in galactic backwaters (like Space Montana) during daylight hours.

13 posted on 06/12/2005 6:19:19 PM PDT by edeal
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To: Abcdefg

LOL. I "thought" you might say that ;)


14 posted on 06/12/2005 6:19:24 PM PDT by bwteim
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Mel Zisfein, deputy director of the national Air and Space Museum, and an aerosynamicist amoung other things, has noted a similarity between the way most people today regard "C," the speed of light, and the way many people a generation or so ago regarded "a", the speed of sound.

Proof positive that travel at the speed of light is not only possible, but inevitable.

15 posted on 06/12/2005 6:19:37 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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If you take into account the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and quantum mechanics, wouldn't it almost guarantee that C is not a constant?

If you consider every possible path for a photon to travel from point A to B, some paths will naturally be longer than others. If it takes the same amount of time to get from A to B along every path then the photon must be traveling at different speeds.

The probability of the photon taking a very long round-about path would be miniscule, but it would still be > 0. So at least theoretically the speed of light in a vacuum is not constant.


16 posted on 06/12/2005 6:19:54 PM PDT by boofus
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"What is the speed of dark?"

"I put instant coffee into my microwave oven and almost went back in time."

- Stephen Wright


17 posted on 06/12/2005 6:21:44 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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Actually something does travel at the speed of light. Photons. We need to build a ship entirely of photons, then we could have photon torpedoes and destroy the Kingons.


18 posted on 06/12/2005 6:22:03 PM PDT by EdHallick ("KAAAAAAAAAAHN!" - Capt. James T. Kirk)
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To: vannrox
has noted a similarity between the way most people today regard "C," the speed of light, and the way many people a generation or so ago regarded "a", the speed of sound.

I pretty much stopped taking this article serious when I reached the about statement.

19 posted on 06/12/2005 6:23:33 PM PDT by rkhampton
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c is actually a ratio between two other constants, one for electricity and one for magnetism.


20 posted on 06/12/2005 6:24:05 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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