Jesus died of blood clot - Israeli researcher

Yahoo - Reuters ^ | June 8, 2005

[Gamecock]

***OH so you are one of those***

One of who?

[WKB]

Hey, I make typos. I am not perfect.




You coulda fooled me.

[WKB]

One of who?



Read the thread you'll see

[onyx]

If there could possibly be anything difficult for God to understand, it's Calvinism.





Oh boy! FOTFL!

[MEGoody]

"One of who?"

A Calvinist.

[Petronski]

Do you accept the verse I posted that says we can only know something of a spiritual nature if we HAVE the Holy Spirit?

No I don't accept that verse, which you claimed was 2 Cor 2:3-4. This is 2nd Corinthians Chapter 2 verses 3 and 4:

3 And I wrote this same to you: that I may not, when I come, have sorrow upon sorrow from them of whom I ought to rejoice: having confidence in you all, that my joy is the joy of you all.

4 For out of much affliction and anguish of heart, I wrote to you with many tears: not that you should be made sorrowful: but that you might know the charity I have more abundantly towards you.

I have no idea what you posted.

If so, how can you be an Arminian since that verse removes the possibility for us to choose God while we are dead sinners?

Send me your secret gobbledygook lexicon so I can understand your question. And send me a packet of that Kool-aid you're drinking so that I might more readily accept all these gigantic assumptions you've swallowed.

[WKB]

What do you think satan would rather see:

Christians arguing or another beer joint opening?

[rwfromkansas]

"If any man ascribes anything of salvation, even the very least thing, to the free will of man, he knows nothing of grace, and he has not learned Jesus Christ rightly."

-- Martin Luther

[MEGoody]

"God doesn't command me to sin. I do that myself. I am responsible."

If man is completely devoid of the ability to choose the things of God on his own without God's help, then God is responsible.

I don't believe that, of course, but then, I'm not a Calvinist.

[ABG(anybody but Gore)]

What's the difference between a hard core Christian and a "not hardcore" Christian?

I don't try and rub people into the ground with my beliefs, but I can introduce you to a few Born Again folks, as well as an atheist or two who would be happy to drive you nuts preaching their own gospel...

[Petronski]

You're quoting me Luther now?



Right.

[rwfromkansas]

oops...I meant 2 Corinthians 2:13-14. Verses 13 and 14, not verses 3 and 4.

The question is not that difficult.

If you accept that verse, how can you reject God's sovereignty in salvation? After all, that verse says we can't know anything spiritual unless we have the Holy Spirit, and only believers have that.

[Petronski]

Some of them are right here in this thread, I fear.

[Petronski]

oops...I meant 2 Corinthians 2:13-14. Verses 13 and 14, not verses 3 and 4.

The question is not that difficult.

If you accept that verse,

Again, though, which verse?

Second Corinthians, Chapter 2, Verses 13 and 14:

13 I had no rest in my spirit, because I found not Titus my brother: but bidding them farewell, I went into Macedonia.

14 Now thanks be to God, who always maketh us to triumph in Christ Jesus and manifesteth the odour of his knowledge by us in every place.

A fine pair of verses, but not what you quoted, nor particularly relevant here.

[Protagoras]

They aren't "hard core Christians". They are proselytizers. And generally "pains in the ass".

BTW, all Christians are born again.

[rwfromkansas]

Man, I screwed that one up goood.

Alright. It is 1 Corinthians 2:13-14.

1st, not 2nd.

Those were great verses though in 2 Corinthians.

[Cronos]

BREAKING NEWS!! Julius Caesar didn't die of stab wounds -- he actually had an inflamed liver..... And this was discovered by some guy 2000 years later with no body to research on or anything. Wow!

[Petronski]

I guess it's all about context:


11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, but the spirit of a man that is in him? So the things also that are of God, no man knoweth, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now, we have received not the spirit of this world, but the Spirit that is of God: that we may know the things that are given us from God.

13 Which things also we speak: not in the learned words of human wisdom, but in the doctrine of the Spirit, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the sensual man perceiveth not these things that are of the Spirit of God. For it is foolishness to him: and he cannot understand, because it is spiritually examined.

Don't quote me 13 and 14 without 12.

We are imbued with the Spirit that we might understand spiritual things. Yet even then it is still our choice, having such understanding, to continue to sin.

[GipperGal]

My research shows that the Temple never existed, so there can't be a third temple, and the Jews (btw) were never given Israel, they just made it up.

Huh?

[rwfromkansas]

There are two classes of people referred to, the natural man and the spiritual man, the man with the spirit and the man without it.

Verse 12 doesn't say everyone has the Spirit. That is limited in context to believers.