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Filibuster deal: Freepers, please "hold your powder"
n/a | 05/24/05 | jdsteel

Posted on 05/24/2005 5:44:11 AM PDT by jdsteel

Before we explode in disgust about the RINO defectors, please consider this: IF the nominated judges get an up or down vote, we win. If a nominated judge gets blocked by filibuster again, we can still "pull the trigger" on the constitutional option...this time with "betrayed and outraged moderates" leading the way. As much as I want to just respond to this emotionally, I am trying to show patience to see how this pans out over the next month. I also am looking forward to seeing how the DUmmies seeth as judges are nominated. So, please, "hold your powder" but keep your eye on the target.


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KEYWORDS: 109th; filibuster
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To: GB
There is no chance on the face of the planet earth that Hillary Clinton is going to be elected president of the U.S. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

I'll bet you believed Bill Clinton could not survive his scandals. What part of the co-presidency of Bill and Hillary Clinton had a 58 percent job approval rating the day they left office escapes you. All the polling showed Bill Clinton would have beat George W. Bush in 2000.

Hillary will carry New York, all of New England, the west coast including California. She will carry the same States Kerry did.. There is just one majro difference. Hillary will carry Ohio.

Gay rights, and abortion kept Ohio in the Bush Column. The Republican's in the Senate just blew that voting block. When the Republicans compromised with the Democrats on Judicial nominees they just told their margin of victory in Ohio to shove it. As a result Hillary will carry Ohio.

It will not be close.

221 posted on 05/24/2005 7:07:02 AM PDT by Common Tator
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To: oldbrowser

"They established that they can obstruct a president for five years with no payback".

As always is the case for the dems - there is never any consequence for bad (or illegal, or unethical) behavior.

They remind me of the situation of the Muslims beheading hostages which gets a yawn from the world, but any humiliation directed at them gets worldwide outrage. Is it not a very similar analagy?


222 posted on 05/24/2005 7:07:35 AM PDT by texas_mrs
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To: jdsteel

Bump!


223 posted on 05/24/2005 7:08:01 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Guilliamus

That is exactly the point that I tried to make in my vanity thread yesterday.


224 posted on 05/24/2005 7:08:10 AM PDT by alwaysrepublican (When Passion Rules she never rules wisely)
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To: Josh in PA

I just heard Frist on the floor. He said there will be votes on all nominees and if the obstruction continues, the nuclear option will be invoked again.


225 posted on 05/24/2005 7:08:46 AM PDT by katieanna (My Redeemer Liveth!)
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To: jdsteel
This compromise, will make it almost impossible to get a ProLife nominee to the Supreme Court. The Filibuster is the obstacle that prevents us from saving 3000 innocent unborn babies every single day.
226 posted on 05/24/2005 7:09:26 AM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: Common Tator

Bill Clinton could win the presidency right now if he were constitutionally able to run. But Hillary isn't Bill. She carries too much baggage and is too much of a flashpoint. I predict she won't even get the nomination.


227 posted on 05/24/2005 7:09:34 AM PDT by GB
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To: Fury
And the republicans???????

I can't understand how it would take a majority to go nucular but 14 can decide on this stupid "compromise".
Seems to me either side can say I didn't vote for that piece of crap!!
228 posted on 05/24/2005 7:11:40 AM PDT by jackv
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To: texas_mrs
They remind me of the situation of the Muslims beheading hostages which gets a yawn from the world, but any humiliation directed at them gets worldwide outrage. Is it not a very similar analogy?

Absolutely.

229 posted on 05/24/2005 7:13:01 AM PDT by oldbrowser (You lost the election.....get over it.)
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To: Common Tator

Just like the DU loonies spend too much time sitting around in fear of Karl Rove, the right spends and wastes too much time sitting around in fear of Hillary Clinton.


230 posted on 05/24/2005 7:13:23 AM PDT by GB
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To: katieanna
I just heard Frist on the floor. He said there will be votes on all nominees and if the obstruction continues, the nuclear option will be invoked again.

It won't mean anything unless he can enforce a little party discipline. Those seven senators agree with Reid Bush's nominees are 'extremists' & will vote them down anyway if it comes to the entire senate.

231 posted on 05/24/2005 7:16:34 AM PDT by skeeter ("What's to talk about? It's illegal." S Bono)
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To: Lazamataz
Laz, since you are making it looks so gloomy, can you give the % of Republicans who have already bolted the party? 10%, 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90%? Do you have number?

I will tell you the number, 0.1%.

232 posted on 05/24/2005 7:17:01 AM PDT by alwaysrepublican (When Passion Rules she never rules wisely)
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To: Galtoid

I keep looking, but I can't seem to find where the Seven Dwarves are named! I know of McCain, and Collins. Who are the others?

Name The Seven Dwarves so we all know who the traitors are!


233 posted on 05/24/2005 7:17:09 AM PDT by Tatze (I voted for John Kerry before I voted against him!)
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To: jdsteel
But enough about me.


234 posted on 05/24/2005 7:18:20 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Tatze

Check post# 126


235 posted on 05/24/2005 7:20:19 AM PDT by jackv
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To: Tatze
Oops. Found them on another thread:

The Seven Dwarves or The Seven Weasels:
http://mccain.senate.gov/ (202) 224-2235
http://lgraham.senate.gov/ (202) 224-5972
http://warner.senate.gov/ (202) 224-2023
http://snowe.senate.gov/ (202) 224-5344
http://collins.senate.gov/ (202) 224-2523
http://dewine.senate.gov (202) 224-2315
http://chafee.senate.gov/ (202) 224-2921

236 posted on 05/24/2005 7:20:33 AM PDT by Tatze (I voted for John Kerry before I voted against him!)
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To: GB
I agree on Pryor, I think he'll be a great judge and is a potential USSC nominee, IMHO, but there were some absolutists here willing to throw him over the side and calling him a CINO (conservative in name only) because he personally prosecuted Roy Moore's removal from office in Alabama and because he voted against the Schindlers in the 11th Circuit.

Well I actually agree with your "absolutists" that Pryor has taken some troubling actions.

My point is simply that it's proof that the Dims LOST in this compromise by now "allowing" Pryor, of all people, to slip through to confirmation with hardly a peep.

Dims have let down their most zealous financial contributors/special interest groups (PFAW, NOW, NARAL et al) --who are absolutely incensed over Pryor's statement (calling Roe "the worst abomination in the history of Constitutional law"). Letting Pryor through shows the Dims had no choice but to cave.

237 posted on 05/24/2005 7:21:43 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (The 'right to choose' = The right to choose death --for somebody else.)
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To: jla

Not really a perceptive reply in that if you still live in the U.S., you also will get wet.


238 posted on 05/24/2005 7:22:11 AM PDT by verity (A mindset is an antidote to logic.)
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To: jdsteel
outraged moderates...

hahahahahaha!
this is very funny stuff
239 posted on 05/24/2005 7:22:14 AM PDT by firewalk
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To: Dave S

Excellent point. I was outraged, until I saw this post...

Indeed, we've lost several judges. In return, we'll get the 3 most conservative confirmed. Here's the real questions: WHAT'S IN IT FOR THE DEMOCRATS? The only answer, I believe, is dignity (face-saving).

Point #1: They've (dems) agreed to confirm the "conservative" judges (thereby agreeing they are not "extraordinary circumstances"). Point #2: Dems agreed not to filibuster in the future unless "extreme circs."

DNC top senators must have approached the GOP, and said something along these lines: "Listen, we both know that we (dems) have painted ourselves into a corner. Give us a way out, and you win." Anyone read Sun Tzu? Never back an enemy into a corner without an escape route (granted, there can be exceptions). A fight-to-the-death is what ensues when a beaten enemy has no escape route.

Does this logic make sense to people?

chris


240 posted on 05/24/2005 7:23:52 AM PDT by mills044
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