Posted on 05/22/2005 8:14:44 AM PDT by Valin
George Bush expressed concern about embryonic stem cell research saying it is a science that destroys life before it saves life. The US president said he will veto any bill that backs embryonic stem cell research. He said he will make it clear to Congress that the use of (US) federal money to promote a science that destroys life in order to save life will be vetoed.
Meanwhile, researchers in South Korea, UK and Canada are making breakthroughs which could eventually see the end of suffering for millions of people throughout the world. Professor Hwank Woo-suk, South Korea, and his team have just created stem cells that are a perfect genetic match for a specified patient with an incurable disease.
Some Republicans are questioning the wisdom of George Bush's policy. Many are keen to see incurable diseases being successfully treated. Others are becoming concerned at the way America is losing ground in this potentially huge field of medicine.
Scientists from Europe and East Asia have written to Medical News Today expressing excitement at these new breakthroughs. They are over the moon at George Bush's stance as it gives them a head start in the race. “It is amazing,” said one scientist, “that America executes many death-row prisoners who have incurable mental illnesses, but won't allow an embryo smaller than the size of this dot (.) to be used for research that could eventually save millions of lives.”
Stem cell research eh? I'm still waiting for all the miracle cures that were supposed to come from taking the tissue of aborted fetus' back in the 90's......
Isn't this why Dana Reeve suddenly appeared on the Sunday morning shows today? She and Nancy Reagan from the other side of the spectrum both crusade for that cause, and possibly neither fully understand it or the alternatives. Well, beyond professionals involved in the research...who really does?
The politization of science is a bad idea. Politics introduces all manner of extraneous issues that are not germane to science. Embryonic stem cell research proceeds in the US at Stanford and Harvard who have raised private funding. Most research, however, is done by biotech companies. I have two friends who have made a ton of money on Geron stock. I see no need for the government to subsidize this when the stock market already does.
The most egregiously atavistic governance position since Copernicus and his punishment at the hands of theologians unhappy with his scientific theory. If any doubt remains as to whether the White House is a wholly owned subsidiary of the religious right this imminent veto should resolve the issue. It makes the evolution debacle look intelligent by comparison.
Obviously, the parties that store the organs will get their price. The surgeon will still get his. And the Pharmaceutical will create 15 new drugs to be taken in conjunction with the transplant.
But George Will added a bit to it...If you're going to use an embryo anyways, why not just grow it and take the parts themselves. Why bother with the hardest part...tickling the stem cells. I think he's right and I have always believed that that was the real stem cell goal.
Is she advocating embryonic stem cell research? That would be most ironic, because it is the use of ADULT stem cells that has shown any success in the body's repair of spinal cord injuries.
Would that were true.
I state up front, I am making this comment then leaving this thraad, I do not wish to engage in a long debate, nor am I equiped with enough solid facts as portrayed by both sides of the issue to make comments on.
So my comment for what it is worth is:
Let us be carefull to understand, GWB has meet with many groups on this issue. There are two sides both display equal credentials on the issue since they are involved in this type research. Both sides have champions that are recognized in their respective fields as being leaders. GWB sides with one side of these "experts", based on what and how they had presented the arguments to him.
So for those amoung us that believe GWB is simply reacting based on purely "religious views" do be aware there is much more to the issue then is as usual being biased by the L/MSM.
Like I said, I will not indulge in this issue. I am not prepared to defend either side. I say this out of respect for all our Freepers.
"The most egregiously atavistic governance position since Copernicus and his punishment at the hands of theologians unhappy with his scientific theory. If any doubt remains as to whether the White House is a wholly owned subsidiary of the religious right this imminent veto should resolve the issue. It makes the evolution debacle look intelligent by comparison"
I fully agree! I liked to think that voted for Bush not only to keep the liberals out of power, and protect my country from the left, but that there was also a lot in President Bush that I liked and respected.
I think that thought may have been premature. I would be more than happy to vote for Bush again, just to keep the Democrats out of power, but this threat of veto is unfortunate and stupid. He is a stooge for the religious fundamentalists and apparently lacks critical thinking skills. I do respect his conviction and all, but if you have great conviction about really bone-headed concepts then it doesn't doo much good, does it...
If this foolishness is what conservatism really is, they I wonder if I am really a conservative, or just an ardent anti-leftist.
Bones
What is truly amazing is that there are some here at FR who would actually agree with this assinine piece of effluent.
Hyperbolic bs traveling at the speed of light is still, when all is said and done, your everyday variety of bs.
If any doubt remains as to whether the White House is a wholly owned subsidiary of the religious right this imminent veto should resolve the issue.
Undoubtedly it is much more Jeffersonian to take my money at the point of a gun to fund your wants and needs. You sure you're not Howard Dean?
It makes the evolution debacle look intelligent by comparison.
What evolution debacle? Are you referring to the one where the federal courts unconstitutionally ordered Cobb County how to spend their tax payer dollars in their public schools? That debacle?
Nothing to wonder about, your support of the federal government taking my money and spending it on something I find abhorent makes clear where you stand. Right next to Trotsky.
Thanks---A kindred sentiment.
Since I believe that science supports the truth that embryo harvesting and exploitation for body parts is cannibalism, I'm supposed to ignore your smarmy insults regarding my other beliefs, my religious beliefs? Yeah, you're a secular twinkie ... and you see nothing wrong with cannibalism. Typical ... and now you'll no doubt take issue with the designation of cannibalism, and try to twist and dissemble your lust for same. Transparent you are (as Yoda would say).
The underlying problem is the influence of Leon Kass on this administration. This bioethics advisor believes that in-vitro fertilization is an offense against God. Think of him as the Edward Abbey of the right.
"Yeah, you're a secular twinkie ... and you see nothing wrong with cannibalism."
I'm a what now? Cannibalism? You call stem cell research cannibalism? And you don't think that might be stretching the truth just a bit?
"no doubt take issue with the designation of cannibalism, and try to twist and dissemble your lust for same"
Actually, if you want to believe that, feel free. Do expect me to take part in that though.
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