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Girls' Dad Pulls Gun on Frat Boys
Manchester Union Leader ^ | 5/21/2005 | RILEY YATES and JODY RECORD

Posted on 05/21/2005 2:04:22 PM PDT by Poser

A Manchester man who went to retrieve his two daughters from a party at a University of New Hampshire fraternity was arrested early yesterday morning after he pulled a handgun and told revelers to "back off."

(Excerpt) Read more at unionleader.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: bang; cary; college; dad; donutwatch; drinking; frat; fraternity; guns; leo; parentalrights; unh
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To: Melas

Hey, if this party had been in Texas, it would have ALSO been off-campus, just like in N'ampshire!


141 posted on 05/21/2005 5:58:28 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

What? At most fraternity parties the door is unlocked so anyone can enter or leave. There is no indication they were being held against their will- no one, the father or police claimed this. Letting them enter the frat house and then refusing to give them a ride is not kidnapping. That is ridiculous.


142 posted on 05/21/2005 6:04:36 PM PDT by Krankor (T)
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To: TheWriterTX
We knew of a similar situation, but it involved a bachelorette party at a nice hotel. The girl was given a drugged drink right at the dining table.

She escaped getting attacked later, but she had a bad experience with the drug.

You really can't be too careful these days.

143 posted on 05/21/2005 6:20:12 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Krankor
Letting them enter the frat house and then refusing to give them a ride is not kidnapping. That is ridiculous.

Suppose they were told they were going to a Beanie Baby swap meet and instead were taken to a broken-down dive full of drunken frat boys and then were told to fend for themselves? More information is needed to make a judgement.

144 posted on 05/21/2005 6:21:49 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Trajan88
Beating that, Dodds House won the Little 500 at Indiana University this year.

Old duffers everywhere have been looking for that for decades, and then it happened. Shook the fraternity system to it's boots.

145 posted on 05/21/2005 6:27:12 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I am grateful I don't have daughters. (They wouldn't be allowed to have a life till after I was dead!)


146 posted on 05/21/2005 6:31:21 PM PDT by Chieftain (Thanks to the Swift Boat Veterans, Vietnam Veterans, and POW's for Truth for standing tall.)
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To: Krankor
Presuming the information is correct about alcohol being served to underage folks, the correct action to take is to run like the dickens for the nearest exit, not to surround the guy with a gun!

Makes me believe somebody thought they had an undercover narc, and there was something more serious than beer going down.

Can you make sure we get a follow-up on this once the investigations are done and the perps are in the lockup. This could be good!

147 posted on 05/21/2005 6:37:09 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: R. Scott
Already got it.

New Hampshire, New England, New York, New Albany ~ hey, that one's in Indiana even!

We recently assisted a young lady who wanted to go to Bloomington, Indiana. She'd asked the driver as he started to head up I74 "Does this bus go to Bloomington", and he said "Yes, it does". He didn't add that it went to Bloomington, IL and Bloomington, MN. Thank goodness she didn't ask to be returned to Springfield!

148 posted on 05/21/2005 6:40:23 PM PDT by muawiyah
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ah. where are the "the girls' parents obviously raised her poorly or she wouldn't have been there" posts??

I lived in a house with seven fraternity brothers...it wasn't the frat house, but we had just as many parties, probably more.

Anyone who showed up and pulled a gun would have faced off against a Mossberg 500 (12g), 1911, Beretta 92F (desert storm commemerative), Dan Wesson 15 (.357) a Glock 22 (40s&w) and a bunch of 9mm smiths (1 police academy issue and 2 LEO issues)


149 posted on 05/21/2005 6:42:23 PM PDT by KneelBeforeZod ( I'm going to open Cobra Kai dojos all over this valley!)
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To: Krankor
Yes, depending on circumstances and intent, taking someone away from their home to a distant location and then abandoning them could be construed as kidnapping.

This doesn't depend on the age of consent. You could do that to your aged grandmother ~ just take her out and leave her at a gas station or a restaurant in a distant city and drive off.

People do this all the time and when they get caught they pay a stiff penalty.

150 posted on 05/21/2005 6:42:48 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Krankor
Depends on all the circumstances. They called their father to come and get them. He arrived. They circled him. As another poster noted, this can be construed as kidnapping him and them!

In this state he could have started firing and killed every single one of them and walked away free.

151 posted on 05/21/2005 6:44:42 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Poser

Doesn't he know that the children of New Englands royalty are above the laws that he and his daughters must comply with. After all one of those Frat Boys might be related to the Kerrys' or even the Kennedys'.


152 posted on 05/21/2005 6:50:42 PM PDT by fella
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To: muawiyah

Perhaps, under certain circumstances, this may be true- I'm not a lawyer. But this case looks like a friend or acquaintance gave the girls a ride to the party but didn't want to leave when they did. This happens all the time. Everyone has certain friends they'll never go to a party with- either because they always want to leave early or they stay until the host kicks them out. Again, my argument- the father should have calmed down and planned a strategy when he went to get his daughters. I mean, he had 35 miles to think about what his plan of action would be.


153 posted on 05/21/2005 6:55:13 PM PDT by Krankor (T)
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To: Brad's Gramma

I just think he is toast in New England ;-0


154 posted on 05/21/2005 7:04:47 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: Krankor
Looks like he planned ahead, eh?!

Imagine what would have happend if the guys had surrounded him and beat him to a pile of mush. Seems to me he knew what he was up against and prepared accordingly. He even consulted with the cops.

155 posted on 05/21/2005 7:05:10 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

That's the problem- he didn't consult with the police. It says the girls' disappearance was reported to police- that's it. Once he found out where his daughters were, he should have phoned the police in Durham and reported they were at an underage drinking party. But he didn't do that. He took the law into his own hands. Luckily no one was injured or killed. By the way, everyone, whether it's a bunch of frat guys or the little old lady who lives in a shoe, has a right to protect their home. Since he entered their home uninvited, they had every right to throw him out or hold him until the police arrived.


156 posted on 05/21/2005 7:18:50 PM PDT by Krankor (T)
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To: raybbr
***But, I guess the Texas Taliban gets to have say over their lowly women.***

LOL @ you raybbr - guess you don't know any Texan women, eh?

157 posted on 05/21/2005 7:29:35 PM PDT by daybreakcoming (RINOs forget who brought them to this dance)
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To: Krankor
You just said the "door is unlocked" and folks are free to come and go.

That means he was invited! This is why it really is important to clearly indicate that visitors should wait for a personal invitation before entering.

Besides, these young men were running a dive and the public accommodation laws probably applied.

158 posted on 05/21/2005 7:38:33 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Krankor
Yeah - I'm sure these frat boys full of beer and with numbers to back them up felt really big and bad in surrounding the dad.

I hope you have a daughter one day - only then will you understand this Dad. If you have one already and you don't get it - sorry for your daughter.

159 posted on 05/21/2005 7:39:57 PM PDT by daybreakcoming (RINOs forget who brought them to this dance)
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To: muawiyah

Any difference between a dive and a private party (as in party hearty) then? Doesn't the dive have to serve liquor on a regular basis, rather than at the hospitality of the occupants, and charge a price for it?


160 posted on 05/21/2005 7:46:00 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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