(DAY-2) LIVE U.S. SENATE "Nuclear" THREAD: for judicial nominations: C-span 2 - 9:30 am EST

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[davidosborne]

Text Credit to Ken5050: DAY-1 THREAD

Welcome, all you Freepers, to the continuing C-span soap operas about judicial nominations. "The Guiding SEARCHLIGHT, " "As the SENATE Turns, "One NOMINATION to Live" "GERIATRIC Hospital" (for all you Byrd and Lautenberg fans out there). Follow along with us, as the Dems raise the level of histrionics, bloviation, pontification, and all around bad acting to new highs, er, lows...

[Don'tMessWithTexas]

Sen Smith spoke in favor of the constitutional option this morning. Therefore, the names of the individuals on that list are not necessarily senators who are going over to the dark side.

[demlosers]

" Heard a caller on C-Span this morning say "I am a Democrat, always vote Democrat...although I do vote for McCain."

You could use this as a Tagline. :)

[Truth Table]

Ah. It's probably an Oracle database then. If you work for B of A I know who moste likley wrote the code for your query.

Yep. Hatch said "poppycock" ;-)

[OXENinFLA]

"Break the rules to change the rules"......"That's a catchy little phrase, but neither of the parts are true"

LOL!!!

[Babsig]

rats! missed that from Rush, I had to walk downstairs. He has dingy harry's quotes from this morning on Brown. I hope reps senators' staff have Rush on and are taking notes.

[Pepper777]

Sen Hatch is laying into the DemonicRats twisting even the meaning of the Word FILIBUSTER!


I love the way Hatch is throwing the *talking points* of the Demos right back into their stinking faces~!!!!

[Bahbah]

Man, Hatch is just laying it all out. He is excellent.

[Cboldt]

What kind of majority is needed to vest the President with authority? No mention. Default = simple majority?

If a law is made and passed, it is a law. Laws pass each house on simple majority, once they vote on the motion. A law could be filibustered in the Senate (i.e., a Senator could refuse consent to take the vote), but stepping on a law does not step on the President's toes.

[Not A Snowbird]

If you work for B of A I know who moste likley wrote the code for your query.

Worse... government.

[AFPhys]

From that same article:

...Are those who (like myself) have found the filibuster justified by the Constitution’s express grant to the Senate of rule-making power over its own proceedings making the same analytical error for which Lincoln chastised Taney? I think the answer is "Yes."

Could the Senate, for example, make a rule that said: “the Senate will only consider presidential appointments in even-numbered years”? After all, the Senate may make its own rules and, as with the filibuster, there is nothing in the Constitution that expressly says such a rule is impermissible. But of course, such a rule would have the effect of grinding government to a halt. ...
(more)
Clearly, there must be some objective limits to the Senate’s authority despite the fact that the clause granting it rule-making power does not expressly admit of any. What should our guiding principle be in determining what those limits are? I believe they ought to be (and in fact are) those points at which the Senate’s powers intersect with the powers of the coordinate branches. That is, the Senate may make rules that control any matter over which it uniquely exercises legitimate authority. Beyond that, its rules must yield to the enumerated powers of the other branches."



This man saw the light. You really should read the whole article for his full argument, as reading it disjointedly renders it incomplete.

[Bullish]

I wish everyone in this country would watch these debates, and learn what outrageous tactics these evil, self serving dems are doing to obstruct the good men and women up for appointment. To see for themselves the depth the dems are willing to go to please their masters in the leftwing special interest groups whom they serve. The lies they are willing to tell and the smears they so willingly slander good people with.

I just wish everyone was watching this. Sadly, just a small percentage of the people are paying any attention to this at all, and the MSM will report it the way the dems want them to and will make us out to be in the wrong.

[Babsig]

new tag line: ""I am a Republican, always vote Republican...although I did vote for Lindsey Graham."

[MeekOneGOP]

Now we have the Nuclear Option!

Huh? They voted on it?

I see Hatch on CSpan2 talking. FOX News didn't have anything on this a minute ago.

[Diva Betsy Ross]

Thanks for the ping. I am trying to follow along without TV. Not so easy to do. This reminds me of the day I decided the Democrats were my party no longer.

That was the day I watched Anita Hill Testify on Capital Hill. I see the techniques to smear good people has not changed a bit since then.

[OXENinFLA]

HATCH laying out "THE BYRD OPTION" and how Byrd did it back then...

[lugsoul]

At least you are more logically consistent than the Senate majority. Under your analysis (with the regrettable exception of your "no harm" pass on committee proceedings), nothing except an up-or-down vote on the floor is acceptable. That is a position I can at least see the argument for, even if it hasn't been the accepted position in the Senate for a century or more. The argument that some tools to block a vote are okay and others are not is hogwash.

[Cboldt]

By definition, a filibuster ONLY occurs when a vote of cloture fails, not when it succeeds and a nomination proceeds to up or down vote.

Ahhh ... the definition of "filibuster!" Well, that term happens to have lots of different meanings, depending on who you ask, and what your point is.

The loose and indefinite definition is being used to advantage these days, to confuse the underlying issues.

[AFPhys]

Yes: In our legal tradition, that predated the Constitutional Convention, simple majority has been the default unless otherwise specifically stated.

(Sorry about the government school education... many of us have to overcome that and the "reeducation" camps of college and the FRAUDcasting Old Media.)

[demlosers]

So much BS... Hehee...

[TeleStraightShooter]

Punking the Byrd with his own words....