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De-homosexualization of the Catholic Church
WorldNet Daily ^ | 5/2/2005

Posted on 05/02/2005 7:25:14 AM PDT by worldclass

Noting that in his Good Friday homily soon-to-be pope Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger condemned the "filth there is in the church," Wheeler believes the pontiff "will not tolerate [homosexuality's] presence in his church."

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To: watsonfellow
"He did so because accusing someone of homosexuality was a standard practice of the Communist government in his native Poland regarding anyone it regarded as an enemy of the state. From his ordination as a Catholic priest in 1946 to elevation to Archbishop of Krakow in 1963 and Cardinal in 1967, the then Karol Wojtyla witnessed this personal destruction repeatedly. So traumatized, he summarily dismissed such accusations as pope, and would approve the elevation of anyone so accused. "

That's the first plausible explanation I've heard for the late pope's behavior.

101 posted on 05/02/2005 10:45:38 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: B-Chan
As of this past Sunday, our parish now says the Pater Noster in Latin as well as the Credo, plus the Kyrie in Greek!

Cool!

102 posted on 05/02/2005 10:48:33 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: frogjerk
Amen! He is great.

He's one of my favs. My girls are afraid of him though. I guess his voice and demeanor scares them. I kid them about it, telling them in my best Bela Lugosi voice, "Father Corapi is coming to get you!"

103 posted on 05/02/2005 10:52:58 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: JohnnyZ
>> You're a lapsed Catholic because you don't like the ancient Roman Empire?

>> Wow .... that's a new one.

i strive for originality and rarely fail to disappoint.
104 posted on 05/02/2005 10:56:47 AM PDT by mmercier
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To: Wonder Warthog

Jews worship in ancient Hebrew. Muslims worship in ancient Arabic. Catholics worship in Latin.

It is a sacred language. The translations are NOT accurate. In fact, there were intentionally misinterpreted.

Latin is the language of the Church. It is fixed. It keeps the theological words certain and unchanging through history. Chant does not sound good in English or other languages. The music of Gregorian chant was specifically made to correspond with the syllables and the meter of the Latin words.

There are thousands of other reasons. God understands Latin. At a Catholic Mass, what is being primarily offered is a sacrifice to God through the Priest. It is not a "face-to-face" chatter discussion like at a non-Catholic worship service.

There are some articles that go more in depth, but I'm sure you didn't want a doctoral dissertation.


105 posted on 05/02/2005 10:59:17 AM PDT by Mershon
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To: Mershon; Wonder Warthog
Catholics worship in Latin.

Some Catholics do; most don't, and won't, at any time in the near future.

Individual Catholics should seek out whichever liturgy in whichever language that allows them to worship in the manner they prefer.

106 posted on 05/02/2005 11:05:06 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: mmercier
i always had a problem with the "roman" part of the catholic church.

The word "Roman" refers to the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church, which is the largest rite in the Church. There are many rites within the Church. The proper name for Christ's Church is simply the Catholic Church.

107 posted on 05/02/2005 11:05:29 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Wonder Warthog
As long as the Latin is accurately translated, what difference does using the local language make???

New translations are in the works. In addition, as a cardinal, Ratzinger said that to reimpose Latin on the Church at this point would be well-nigh impossible.

108 posted on 05/02/2005 11:07:07 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: HamiltonJay

Great point(s).


109 posted on 05/02/2005 11:16:19 AM PDT by Squat (Deport the illegals now! Protest your local Home Depot.)
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To: biblewonk
That's right, you use the Reader's Digest version of Scripture; abridged and heavily edited 12 centuries after the original was produced.

Try reading about the Levitical Priesthood of Melchisedech and its relation to Jesus Christ. He's mentioned in Genesis, Psalms and Hebrews.

110 posted on 05/02/2005 11:20:27 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: biblewonk; ninenot; sittnick; Siobhan; saradippity; marshmallow; AAABEST

BW: When Roman Catholics need the opinion of upstarts (based upon their idiosyncratic views of the meaning of the Scriptures we gave them) as to how our Church (the original Christian Church founded by Jesus Christ upon Peter as the Rock) should conduct its own internal governance, we will be sure to give you a call. Meanwhile, MYOB.


111 posted on 05/02/2005 11:23:15 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: biblewonk
but even the OT priesthood was not celibate.

Wrong. Once again, learn about Melchisedech. It's fairly evident that you aren't that well versed in Scripture after all.

112 posted on 05/02/2005 11:23:52 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: hispanarepublicana

Quite a few.


113 posted on 05/02/2005 11:25:49 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Americanexpat

As I understand it, a true pedophile goes for children under the age of puberty. Too many homosexuals go for boys over 13 or 14.


114 posted on 05/02/2005 11:29:22 AM PDT by maryz
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To: ClearBlueSky
by now it's homosexual Bishops, Archbishops and Cardinals

The visible beginning of AmChurch grows out of the Spellman-Cushing axis in the 1940s.

The largest number of proven multiple offenders came out of Richard Cardinal Cushing's seminary in 1960.

I agree with you that the problem is very widespread-but it's not recent.

In fact, poor Bernard Law, who came to Boston in 1984, was handed a multigenerational sewer to clean up.

His choice to do it and keep it quiet was a poor choice, and it brought him down.

But he was not the creator of the mess.

115 posted on 05/02/2005 11:32:45 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God)
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To: sinkspur; ninenot
Is the return to Latin and Tridentine Masses as impossible as you said Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger's election to the papacy would be? Gee, what would the National antiCatholic Reporter say? Maybe John Allen or Fr. Richard McBrien or even ex-archbishop Lavender Rembert Weakland can explain why a return to Latin and the Tridentine Rite is soooooo impossible?????? Or Godfried Cardinal Daneels or Cardinal Martino or one of those now totally obsolete failed revolutionary guys?

Kumbaya is dead!!! John Paul the Great was the transition. B-16 will be the restoration.

116 posted on 05/02/2005 11:45:47 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: sinkspur
New translations are in the works. In addition, as a cardinal, Ratzinger said that to reimpose Latin on the Church at this point would be well-nigh impossible.

Thats right.

However, i think you misread what the Pope actually meant.

the Key word is Impose.

By simply liberating it from the control of the local ordinary, He can let the congregational market decide.

Kinda like what happened when News product was liberated by the internet and talk radio....

117 posted on 05/02/2005 11:51:37 AM PDT by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you dont have to...." ;)
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To: hobbes1

AmChurch rhetoric demands words like "impose" be sprinkled in there.


118 posted on 05/02/2005 11:54:50 AM PDT by Petronski (Pope Benedict XVI: A German Shepherd on the Throne of Peter)
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To: Petronski
AmChurch rhetoric demands words like "impose" be sprinkled in there.

AmChurchers are the experts in imposing. Look at how much they have imposed upong the unsuspecting faithful in the pews under the guise of the "spirit of Vatican II"

119 posted on 05/02/2005 12:01:35 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (no electrons were harmed in the making of this tagline, well maybe just a few...)
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To: sinkspur; Wonder Warthog

Wonder, Sinkspur is our resident modernist deacon (who has enough time to be on the Internet all day) whose interpretations of the current Pope Benedict XVI leave much room for other interpretations.

While he did say a "wholesale return" to an entire Latin Mass would be nearly impossible, he also said many positive things about freeing the Traditional Roman rite of Mass, as well as the Novus Ordo liturgy being a definite break with the continuity of the Church, and said its effects on the Faith have been disastrous.

As for "new translations," the fact of the matter is that it has been 35 years since the imposition of a foreign rite of the liturgy that nobody asked for, was made on the Catholic people. It has taken 35 years, and the "experts" still cannot translate the Latin properly (or better, refused to).

If it took me 35 years to NOT translate my news releases properly into other languages before distributing them outside the U.S., what do you suppose would happen to me?

Pope Benedict XVI will restore the Classical Roman rite to all priests and bishops and make it more widely available. He may also reconcile with the Society of St. Pius X, those priests and bishops who refused to go along with the destruction of the Faith after Vatican II, and got excommunicated for it.


120 posted on 05/02/2005 12:06:28 PM PDT by Mershon
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