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Spectacular specimen: This bug's a big one - 8 feet long - and New Mexico scientists nabbed...
Albuquerque Tribune ^ | April 14, 2005 | Sue Vorenberg

Posted on 04/22/2005 12:50:39 PM PDT by demlosers

Spectacular specimen: This bug's a big one - 8 feet long - and New Mexico scientists nabbed some of its fossils

Think mosquitoes and millipedes are nasty?

Then don't look too deeply into New Mexico's past.

Today, you can squish the tiny bugs, but 300 million years ago, 8-foot-long millipedes were in control of the landscape, and humans weren't even a gleam in evolution's eye.

New Mexico is now a world record holder of such "exquisitely grotesque creatures," as one worker at the New Mexico Museum of Natural History and Science calls them. Evidence of the largest arthropleura - its technical name - ever found was recovered by the museum on Friday.

"In today's world, you couldn't have a bug this big," said Spencer Lucas, paleontology curator at the museum. "This is basically the Tyrannosaurus of the Pennsylvanian period, millions of years before dinosaurs evolved. If you took a time machine back, you'd definitely want to check your sleeping bag for these suckers before getting in."

The Pennsylvanian time period lasted from 325 to 280 million years ago.

The museum has not found the bug itself. What it did find in a remote canyon near Española were the fossilized tracks of such a creature - which looks like a 3-by-8 speed bump with flat wings holding hundreds of nasty, ribbed, horseshoe-shaped feet.

"This is a very spectacular thing," said Adrian Hunt, director of the museum, who went out in the field with the team to recover it. "Think of it as a much bigger cross between a millipede and a centipede. It probably lived in swampy forest debris. Something like this has never been found before in the Western United States."

Evidence of the creatures has also been found in Nova Scotia and Scotland, but Jorg Schneider, an international expert on them and a paleontologist from the Freiberg Mining Academy in Germany, said New Mexico's find is evidence of the biggest arthropleura ever.

The second-largest creature was probably a few inches smaller than the one found in New Mexico. The New Mexico track is 39.3 centimeters wide, compared with the second-largest track, in Scotland, which is 36 centimeters wide, Schneider said.

Schnieder came to New Mexico for a two-week visit to look at the track and other New Mexico rocks from the same time period, he said.

"One question we have is, could such a large beast live on plant material only?" Schneider said. "In millipedes from the modern era, we know that scolopender (a type of millipede) is a predator. Possibly these big extinct versions also ate other animals. This was the top of the food chain - with no natural enemy - for about 40 to 50 million years during the Pennsylvanian."

The creatures might have been vegetarians, but their large size suggests they might have eaten early reptiles that later evolved into dinosaurs and mammals, Schneider said.

One favorite snack could have been the pelycosaur, a relative of the dimetrodon, a small, sail-backed lizard common in that age, Lucas said.

"We're still really not sure what they ate," Lucas said. "This guy was probably out patrolling the forest floor eating smaller bugs - which were still pretty big by today's standards - and maybe eating small vertebrates. New Mexico was near the equator then, and the land was much warmer and wetter."

Arthropleura died out at the end of the Pennsylvanian, probably because the amount of oxygen in the air was reduced from 30 percent during that time period to closer to the 21 percent we have today, Lucas said.

"They just couldn't survive at that size in modern air," Lucas said. "Their lungs weren't as evolved as ours. For an insect to get that big, you'd need to have a lot more oxygen in the air. These guys were an evolutionary dead end."

Millipedes and centipedes aren't directly related to arthropleura, he added, but might be from a related branch of the now-extinct creature's family tree, Lucas added.

"Breathing, food, locomotion are all problematic for a bug that big," Lucas said. "When the world changed, they just couldn't adapt."


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: archaeology; bugs; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; museum; paleontology
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To: Junior
Junior, that's one of your best posts on this general subject, and I appreciate it. You didn't try any intimidation techniques, call me names, talk down to me, or do anything else uncivil.

I'm going to dig my copy of Dr. Brown's book out of storage and search for the answers. Might take a while, because I'm not sure where it is, but I'll get back to you.

161 posted on 04/24/2005 5:31:32 PM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: Junior
OK, I've found the book and I've read the relevant section.

Dr. Brown really does cover all those bases, but I couldn't do the explanation justice by summarizing. He does say that the outgoing material would include sediment material in addition to the water, and that it would have eroded the surrounding area.

He says the temp of the water under the approximate 6 miles of rock would have been about 250 degrees F. He says that at the time of the rupture the strain energy alone would have been about 2 X 1029 ergs. The released compressive energy would have been about 1033 ergs.

As far as I can tell, he covers all bases. But then, my HS Physics, mostly forgotten, isn't up to the task, as I've intimated before.

I'd suggest you read the book and see for yourself. Seriously.

162 posted on 04/24/2005 6:17:00 PM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: savedbygrace

Two things. There are no erosion patterns to be found in the geological column that matches what Dr. Brown's mention. Also, 10^33 ergs is equal to 100 octillion watt-seconds (joules), or 100,000,000,000,000 Terawatts. That's a couple of orders of magnitude greater than my estimates. That heat is going to really cook Noah and his.


163 posted on 04/24/2005 6:29:31 PM PDT by Junior (“Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6,000 others just like you.”)
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To: Junior

As I said, I didn't do the book justice to super-summarize like that. You really should read it, because it does have a lot of detail along those very lines. It may very well answer your questions.


164 posted on 04/24/2005 7:17:38 PM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: demlosers
It's not an insect. Arthropod though.
165 posted on 04/25/2005 8:57:30 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Swordmaker
DATE IT?! What kind of movie do you take one of those to?

THEM

166 posted on 04/25/2005 9:03:58 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: tet68

So....what do you think.....head shot with a .45 should do it. You packing enough C-4?


167 posted on 04/25/2005 9:16:34 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but recently have come to my senses.)
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