Posted on 04/05/2005 2:22:08 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
VANITY NOTICE: I've just learned that I am an "EXTREMIST!" WOO HOO!!
Nicest compliment I've received in a long time.
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice; moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
Y'all might want to be careful who you hang out with. If you are pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-constitution, pro-Liberty, pro-America and post to FreeRepublic.com, you risk being labeled as an "extremist."
That puts you in the company of extremist folks like George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Ben Franklin, & Co.
As extremists, "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."
Speaking of quotes from our extremist forefathers, someone sent me these this morning:
George Washington - "..And let us indulge with caution the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion... Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail to the exclusion of religious principle."
John Adams - "Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
James Madison - "We've staked the whole future of American civilization not on the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future ...upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God. The future and success of America is not in this Constitution, but in the laws of God upon which this Constitution is founded."
Noah Webster - "No truth is more evident to any mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people."
See you at the March for Justice!!
May God continue to bless and watch over America and all her extremists!
What I don't comprehend is his use of the word "duty". It could mean our duty to make the best choice that we possible can, a Christian leader being in our best interest. However it seems to be implying that it's unpatriotic to even vote for a non-Christian leader. Surely the actual act of voting for such a person isn't an act of treason. If it were, we would have no way of ensuring strong Christian candidates. They need opposition in order to become the best that they can be.
"Nobody has mentioned the Church. Are you a theophobe? Are you projecting?"
You caught my error. An institution can be a set of principles rather than just a political hobby-horse.
The dribble you posted in 424 did not address the other quotes.
Larry...Maybe you can help here. Could you have a look at post #367 please?
Heehee, at least you aren't a kook or a religious zealot ;)
A bit more of the quote might at least assure you that he is not being sarcastic!:
"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers. It is to be regretted, but so I believe the fact to be, that except the Bible there is not a true history in the world. Whatever may be the virtue, discernment, and industry of the writers, I am persuaded that truth and error (though in different degrees) will imperceptibly become and remain mixed and blended until they shall be separated forever by the great and last refining fire. "
One may say that the Founders were very "pious".
"Before any man can be considered as a member of civil society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governor of the Universe. And to the same Divine Author of every good and perfect gift [James 1:17] we are indebted for all those privileges and advantages, religious as well as civil, which are so richly enjoyed in this favored land."
James Madison, November 9, 1772, in writing to William Bradford
While I tend to accept it, I am increasingly worried about the "net-izing" of our documents---they are too easy to diddle with. Let's double check it in the paper copy.
I can get my copy of the Federalist papers---but this shouldn't be too hard to check. And while I'm sure a legit web site is ok, I'm worried about the increasing reliance of people on web-based documents---too easy to edit.
Congratulations. A well earned honor.
Phew that clarifies things enormously thank you. The additons to that statement have also relieved me of my initial doubts.
Indeed the founders were pious in most of their words and actions on record (they sinned of course but they left memoirs stating their penitence).
The Madison quote is pretty clearly phony; the editors of the Madison papers have made a public statement saying they can find no trace of it in his writings, and that it's incongruous with other things he wrote.
See, for example here
It's certainly not in the Federalist papers.
When did she ask not to have a feeding tube? At the time she allegedly said she "wouldn't want to live like that" feeding tubes were not considered extraordinary means are artificial life support in the state of Florida. She made the statement after seeing M Schiavo's relative removed from life support consisting of a ventilator. It was not an informed decision.
Sure does. Incidently since all the "death experts" are on record assuring us that death by starvation and dehydration is humane, I expect it can be immediately implemented on death rows in all the States. It's ironic and would give a whole new meaning to, "What would you like for your last meal?"
Have YOU ever even been around someone diagnosed as being in a PVS? Have you known or do you know anyone who has a relative with this diagnosis?
No, to both questions.
As a person who has a relative diagnosed as being in a PVS, I would say to you I am of the opinion your conclusion that Terri "died" 15 years ago is not accurate. I am aware that all patients with this diagnosis are not identical; however, I am also aware of this diagnosis being overused and NOT applicable to every person who is "like Terri". I say this from very personal experience of which I have posted here on this very forum recently.
Would you at least preferred to know that more recent testing was done, alternate therapies now available were attempted and oral feeding was attempted BEFORE she was starved and dehydrated to the point of death?
If, as you speculate, she was "dead" do pray tell what would the harm have been in this?
As a person who has a relative diagnosed as being in a PVS, I would say to you I am of the opinion your conclusion that Terri "died" 15 years ago is not accurate. I am aware that all patients with this diagnosis are not identical; however, I am also aware of this diagnosis being overused and NOT applicable to every person who is "like Terri". I say this from very personal experience of which I have posted here on this very forum recently.
Would you at least preferred to know that more recent testing was done, alternate therapies now available were attempted and oral feeding was attempted BEFORE she was starved and dehydrated to the point of death?
If, as you speculate, she was "dead" do pray tell what would the harm have been in this?
Sorry about the duplicate post.
Congratulations! I've always aspired to extremist myself.. personally I'm no more than a "holier than thou, religious whackjob"
Harvard has pulled that webpage, and it appears that lugsoul was right, that is not a documentable quote of Madison's.
Don't forget to include me.
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