Posted on 03/13/2005 1:11:03 PM PST by jan in Colorado
In Islam, lying or omissions for the 'greater good,' according to a strict or radical Islam/Islamist philosophy is not only acceptable, it is holy and blessed work. It is called al-Takeyya (or al-Taqiyya) and is a strategy outlined in the Hadiths and supported by various interpretations of some of the Suras in the Koran. We have just seen it in action and most people never even caught the whiff of mental ether the Islamists were pouring into the airways of the already comatose and choking non-Islamist world.
Al-Takeyya is a policy whereby a Muslim may lie, deceive or omit critical truths if it promotes the spreading of Islam AND the conquest of the non-Muslim world. According to William P. Welty, Ph.D., al-Takeyya/Taqiyya is:
"The Islamic principle of lying for the sake of Allah. Falsehoods told to prevent denigration of Islam, to protect oneself, or to promote the cause of Islam are sanctioned by the Qur'an, including lying under penalty of perjury in testimony before the United States Congress, lying or making distorted statements to the media such as claiming that Islam is a religion of peace and deceiving fellow Muslims when the one lying has deemed them to be apostates." (1)
And here is the definition from an Islam encyclopedia website:
"The word "al-Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing or disguising one's beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies..." (2)
Now here's where the latest Islamist sneak maneuver of al Takeyya/Taqiyya comes into play. The Islamic Commission of Spain issued a decree against al-Qaeda terrorist leader Osama bin Laden. They did this in response to the bombing of a Madrid train last year by al Qaeda.
Mansur Escudero, head of the Federation of Islamic Religious Entities, called on clerics to formally condemn terrorism and pray for all terror victims. He went on to state, ''The terrorist acts of Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda organization ... which result in the death of civilians, such as women and children ... are totally prohibited and are the object of strong condemnation within Islam.''
Sounds good so far.
But let's examine what this man did not say, as well as the timing of his little media-sensation fatwa.
This fatwa was timed to coincide with the 1-year anniversary of the bombing in Madrid. Sure, several hundred people died, but this is not the first time that hundreds, nay, thousands of people have died at the hands of Muslims merely because they weren't Muslim.
Therefore, one must ask why was there no such fatwa issued in the aftermath of 9-11? And why has no fatwa about the "...death of civilians, such as women and children'' ever been issued regarding the thousands upon thousands of Jewish/Israeli victims of genocidal terror ever been issued?
I will tell you why. This is al-Takeyya/Taqiyya at its most devious and deceptive. And the key word here is 'civilians.'
In radical Islam (Islamism), any Jew living in Israel is not considered either 'innocent' or a 'civilian.' Nor were the people living and working in America on 9-11. Islamists consider the 'Great Satan -- America,' and the 'Little Satan -- Israel,' to be enemy combatants. And this includes every man, woman or child, even babes in arms, even sleeping or in school or playing in playgrounds. This includes any and all who are not Islamists and who oppose being forced to kneel down and pay homage to Allah or his followers. In particular, Christians (whom they call 'Crusaders'), and Jews.
This also includes those of us who refuse to allow the Islamists to insidiously inject their politico-religious dogma into our way of life. And this especially includes Israel, whom the Islamists view as a polluting force in their quest for 'Arab unity' and a Judenrein Middle East.
So the fatwa issued by this Muslim cleric living in Spain was meant to put the free and civilized world into yet another coma. He was hoping we would see this supposedly 'peaceful and tolerant' religious edict and sing the praises of Islam and remind each other how it is a 'peaceful' religion, even though the word 'Islam' also means 'to submit,' and our utter and complete submission is what they are working towards.
The crafter of this latest religious edict, so proudly trumpeted to the world, has achieved nothing more than a clumsy attempt to delude us into thinking that Islamism is really nice and honorable and loving and peaceful. It is also meant to deceive us into believing that even though such edicts were never issued -- and will never be issued -- regarding Americans or Israelis, these particular Muslims are mainstream moderates.
Camel cakes! We are now familiar with the ploy of lying, omissions and deceit as sanctioned by al-Takeyya/Taqiyya. And some of us are not in a humanist/liberal feel-good coma like lambs going to the slaughter. And we will continue to alert you to the deceptions used by the Islamists.
The lesson to be learned here is not to look for what is said, but what is deliberately not said. If anything, this fatwa, by its omissions and timing (or lack thereof) has simply reinforced the fact that the Islamists do not see Israel or Judeo-Christian America as 'innocent.' It has reaffirmed that they see us all as ripe for deceit and murder in the name of Allah.
Hey, I'm all for any of us willing to allow any of their excellent past posts, thoughts, comparisons to be included (and attributed accordingly) or linked to.
Perhaps even work on mini memos and pool them... I've become pretty tired of repeating myself to these folks, one after another and I'm sure you guys have too.
Sounds good to me, Fred. ;o)
Your Great and Glorious Leader has spoken! May a Guinness be before you at all times.
In Memory of broadsword!
Finally a voice of reason in this thread.
These stupid knee-jerk responses that want to condemn an entire religious group are no better than the jihads of Islamic extremists.
>> Texas Cowboys, Former Dodgers, Swordfish, All for One and One for All: the Last Crusade commences! <<
All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men and women to do thing. Folks, we are NOT going to let evil succeed! Now or ever.
Here is one of my favorite web sites:
http://www.bible.com/
One of my favorite verses:
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
I don't know the koran, but I would be most happy the help search for versus to repute the koran.
"We will not hide our light under a basket.
Our hard gained information will be like a beacon for all the world to see the horror that is Islam."
I think the idea of a 'memo' is good, as long as it doesn't go on and on and on.
There are lots of concerned people coming to this forum...some are concerned in a positive way (trying to figure out what the heck is happening to their communities) and others in a negative way (what is this freekin FreeRepublic, and how do we counter-act what they are saying?)
If they are posting to us in a curious frame of mind and they start seeing these canned responses, they might just dismiss us.
Oh, heck. I'm just thinking with my fingers here.
I want the negative posters to dismiss us, they are useless on this forum anyway.
I'm just concerned with the newbies who are questioning what the heck is going on in their world...and maybe coming here for some answers..and don't frame their questions to us very well...and we give them a canned answer because we think they are trolls or disruptors.
Thank you!
The religious hate I see in this thread reminds me of what Europeans came to America to escape.
People actually saying we should ban an entire religion. Incredible ignorance.
Jorge,
Let's compare then shall we? Let's look at what the muslims have done and what the Christians have done.
Sound good?
A TOAST!
IN MEMORY OF BROADSWORD!
A TOAST!
TO THE LAST CRUSADE!
I gotta stop. I'm getting drunk on iced tea!
I'll see your iced tea and raise you a Nestea Raspberry cooler.
To BROADSWORD!
Okay Jorge,
Find me a passage in the koran with this same message:
From Matthew 5
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Now you tell me Jorge, what does mohammad say?
Thy name isnt Islamism, thy name is Islam. its the religion not the fanatics.
I'll drink to that.
In Memory of broadsword
Gone, but never forgotten.
You have made some great points, Bennett. You shouldn't worry too much though...as outspoken as this group is, there won't be too many canned responses.
"Take your blinders off and you'll see that there is no difference between that statement and the kinds of statements you make about ALL Muslims, whoc you call "slime."
We don't do that kind of bigoted hate here at FR."
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I see that in my absence the same tired line is being thrown at the defenders of our Judeo/Christian American way of life.
It is such a cheap tactic plus it's intellectually lazy to throw the word bigot around when confronted by people who have come to the well researched conclusion that islam presents a clear and present danger. Those of us who have reached this conclusion did not do so happily.
And frankly, pointing the finger and denouncing us as bigots is such a typically leftist/liberal tactic that I'm surprised to even find it here at FR, unless the poster is a DU troll.
But I'll give it a shot--no, most muslims don't engage in terrorism. But how many condemn those who do?
There are two kinds of evil men; those who do evil and those who see evil being done and do nothing to stop or to even condemn it.
We could provide links to various verses in the Quran which best describe Islam, and the history of muzzie terrorist acts.
Here is more Jorge.
Matthew 24: 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Note verse 9. Who are being killed for their beliefs EVERY DAY? Muslims or Christians?
Teh entire Koran is about killing non-Muslims? That is just silly on the face of it. It shows your animus against anyone of a different religion from yours.
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How does summarizing the Koran honestly show animus against anyone of a different religion? Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, have nothing that equals the Koran in its thirst for blood. Yours is such a silly statement. Read the Koran, and then come back and honestly tell us that there is nothing in that book about killing and harsh treatment of non-muslims.
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