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The UFO Phenomenon - Seeing Is Believing (Peter Jennings tonight - Live Thread)
ABC News ^ | Feb. 24, 2005

Posted on 02/24/2005 3:55:40 PM PST by traumer

Almost 50 percent of Americans, according to recent polls, and millions of people elsewhere in the world believe that UFOs are real. For many it is a deeply held belief.

For decades there have been sightings of UFOs by millions and millions of people. It is a mystery that only science can solve, and yet the phenomenon remains largely unexamined. Most of the reporting on this subject by the mainstream media holds those who claim to have seen UFOs up to ridicule.

On Feb. 24, "Peter Jennings Reporting: UFOs — Seeing Is Believing" takes a fresh look at the UFO phenomenon. "As a journalist," says Jennings, "I began this project with a healthy dose of skepticism and as open a mind as possible. After almost 150 interviews with scientists, investigators and with many of those who claim to have witnessed unidentified flying objects, there are important questions that have not been completely answered — and a great deal not fully explained."

"Peter Jennings Reporting: UFOs — Seeing Is Believing" airs Thursday, Feb. 24 from 8-10 p.m. ET on ABC. The program will be broadcast in High Definition.

This two-hour primetime special reports on the entire scope of the UFO experience — from the first famous sighting by Kenneth Arnold in 1947 to the present day. The program draws on interviews with police officers, pilots, military personnel, scientists and ordinary citizens who give extraordinary accounts of encounters with the unexplained. Also included are the voices of professional skeptics about UFOs, including scientists who are leading the search for life forms beyond Earth elsewhere in the universe.

The program explores the facts behind the enduring mystery of the incident at Roswell, N.M., and looks into the strange stories of alien abductions. Among the UFO cases presented:

Minot Air Force Base, N.D., October 1968 — Sixteen airmen on the ground and the crew of an airborne B-52 witness a massive unidentified object hovering near the base.

Phoenix, March 1997 — Hundreds witness a huge triangular craft moving slowly over the city.

St. Clair County, Ill., January 2000 — Police officers in five adjoining towns all independently report witnessing a giant craft with multiple bright lights moving silently across the sky at a very low altitude.

Today if you report a UFO to the U.S. government you will be informed that the Air Force conducted a 22-year investigation that ended in 1969 and concluded that UFOs are not a threat to national security and are of no scientific interest. But as one of the world's leading theoretical physicists says in the program, "You simply cannot dismiss the possibility that some of these UFO sightings are actually sightings from some object created by … a civilization perhaps millions of years ahead of us in technology."

"Peter Jennings Reporting: UFOs — Seeing Is Believing" is produced by PJ Productions and Springs Media for ABC News. Mark Obenhaus and Tom Yellin are the executive producers.


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Well, most of the dinosaurs died (not all in the detonation but in the bad things which came after the war, especially in the nuclear winter and in the fall-out.) Nearly all dinosaurs and reptilians were dead within the next 20 years. Some of them - especially those in the oceans - were able to survive for the next 200 to 300 years even in this changed world, but these species also died, because the climate had changed. The nuclear winter ended after 200 years, but it was colder on earth then before. Despite the cataclysm, some species were able to suvive: fish (like the sharks), birds, little creepy mammals (your ancestors), various reptiles like crocodils...and there was a special kind of small but advanced dinosaurs which had developed together with the last large animal-reptilians like the species you call Tyrannosaurus.

This new reptile was walking on two legs and looked at little bit like your reconstruction of an Iguanodon (it originated in this family) but it was smaller (around 1,50 metres tall) with some humanoid features, a changed bone structure, a larger skull and brain, a hand with a thumb which was able to grab things, a different organism and disgestion, advanced eyes in the middle of the head like your eyes and...most important...with a new and better brain structure. This was our direct ancestor. There are theories that the radiation from the bomb took part in the mutations of the organism of this new breed, but this is not proven. Nevertheless, this little humanoid-like dinosaur evolved during the following 30 million years (as I have said earlier, a species need generally more time to evolve then you think, if the evolution is not artifically induced like in your case) from an animal to a more or less thinking being. These beings were intelligent enough not to die in the next millions of years, because they learned to change their behaviour, they lived in caves instead in the cold nature and they learned to use stones and branches as first tools and the use of fire as help to warm them - especially to warm their blood which is very important for our kind to survive. During the next 20 million years this species was divided by nature into 27 sub-species (unfortunately, former reptilian species were prone to divide themselves in a more or less unlogical way into sub-species during the evolution process. You can clearly see this in the unnecessary high number of animal-dinosaur species in earlier times) and there were many (mainly primitive) wars between this sub-species for dominance.

Well, nature was not very friendly to us and as far a we know from the 27 sub-species 24 were extincted in primitive wars and in evolution, because their organism and mind was not developed enough to survive and (as main reason) they were not able to change their blood temperature in the right way if the climate changed. 50 million years after the war and after the end of Dinosaurs, only three (now also technological) advanced reptilian species were remaining on this planet together with all the other lower animals. Through natural and artificial crossbreedings this three species were united to one reptilian species and through the invention of genetic manipulations, we were able to "eliminate" the dividing-prone genes in our genetic structure. According to our history and belief, this was the time when our final reptilian race - as you see me today - was created by use of genetic engineering. This was around 10 million years ago and our evolution nearly stopped at this point (well, actually there were some minor changes in our look toward a more humaniod and mammal-like appearance during the coming ages, but we have not divided again into sub-species). You see, we are a very old race in comparison to your kind, which was jumping around as small monkey-like animals in the trees at this time while we invented technology, colonized other planets of this system, built large cities on this planet (which disappeared without a trace in the ages) and engineered our own genes while your genes where still those of animals.

10 million years ago the small simians started to grow and they came down from the trees to the ground (again because of the change of the climate - especially on the so-called African continent.) But they evolved very slow as it is normal for a mammal and if nothing extraordinary had happened to your kind, we wouldn´t be able to sit here and talk because I would sit in my comfortable modern house and you would sit in your cave clothed with fur and trying to discover the secrets of fire - or you would maybe sit in one of our zoos. But the things had developed differently and you believe now you are the "crown of creation" and you can sit in the modern house and we must hide and live beneath the earth and in remote areas. Around 1,5 million years ago, another alien species arrived at Earth (it was surprisingly the first species since over 60 million years. This would be more surprising for you if you would know how many different species are today here.) The interest of this humanoid species - you call them "Ilojiim" today - was not the raw material and the copper, it were to our astonishment the unadvanced ape-humanoids. Despite of our presence on this planet, the aliens decided to "help" the apes to evolve a little bit faster, to serve them in the future as some kind of slave-race in coming wars. The fate of your spezies was not really important for us, but we didn´t liked the presence of the "Ilojiim" on our planet and they didn´t liked our presence on their new "galactic zoo" planet and so your sixth and seventh creation was the reason for a war between us and them. You can read about that war for example partly in the book you call "Bible" in a very strange way of description. The real truth is a very long and difficult story. Should I continue?

Question: No, not now. I´ve made some notes about your history and now I have some questions.

Answer: Please ask.

Question: First of all, you handle with a very large time scale. You claim that your primitive ancestors lived together with the dinosaurs, survived the - as you called it - artificial cataclysm and evolved then over 40 million years and your evolution was completed 10 million years ago. This sounds very unbelievable to me. Can you say something to this?

Answer: I understand that this must sound absolutely unbelievable to you, because you are a young and genetically engineered species. Your historical horizon ends at a scale of just some thousands of years and you think this is right. But it isn´t. This is impossible. Your programmed mind is obviously not able to handle with such large time scales. Our evolution time may seem incredible long to you, but this is in fact the original way of nature. Remember, your early mammal ancestors developed together with dinosaurs and they survived the bomb like us. They evolved slowly during the next millions of years and they divided into various species and shapes, some of them larger, some of them smaller. This is evolution of the body. But what about their mind and intelligence? They were simple animals. The mammals evolved since - let us say - 150 millions of years, but only in the last 2 - 3 millions of years they were able to became intelligent and thinking. And within this small period beings like you were created. From nature? 148 millions of years time for the evolution of animal-like mammals, 2 millions of years time for the development of (more or less) intelligent beings like you? Ask yourself: Do you really think this accelerated evolution is natural? Then your species is more ignorant then I´ve thought. We have not evolved wrong but you.

Question: I understand. But I have another question. You´ve mentioned many facts about the ancient war between the aliens 65 million years ago. This happened very long before your kind became really intelligent (as far as I have understood you). Why do you know so many things about that "first war" and about the evolution of your species?

Answer: This is a good question (much better then the previous) and I have not explained it properly to you. Our knowledge about the first war comes completely from an ancient artefact, which was found around 16,000 years ago from our archeologists on the continent you call North America today. They found there a round plate with a diameter of approximately 47 of your centimetres. The plate was made of an even for us unknown magnetic material and inside the plate there was another smaller crystal plate which contained an enormous amount of information coded in the molecular structure of the crystal. This "memory plate" was manufactured from the last bomb survivers of human race from "Procyon" already 65 million years ago but it was completely intact when we found it. Our scientists were able to encode the messages and data and so we heard the first time about the events which took place in the distant past and which led to the extinction of the dinosaurs. The plate contained detailled descriptions of both species (but more about the humanoids) and about the events and weapons, including the fusion bomb. It contained also a description of the animals and saurians on earth, including our pre-intelligent ancestor species. The rest of our knowledge about our evolution comes from skeletons and from the back-reading and de/encoding of our DNA. You see, we know the real truth about our roots since 16,000 years. Before that time, there was a more religious idea of our creation.

Question: What have happened with the both alien species?

Answer: We don´t know exactly. The surviving humanoids on earth obviously died in the years after the bomb and others of their kind and the reptilians never came back to Earth (as far as we know). Concerning the reptilian aliens, there is a possibility that it was physically impossible for them to return, because the matter between bubbles is sometimes in rapid movement. The current theory is, that both species had ceased to exist during the millions of years.

Question: You´ve mentioned skeletons of your kind. How can it be, that human scientists haven´t found any trace of you and your ancestors if you really live for such a long time on this planet? We have found many skeletons of primitive dinosaurs, but none of an advanced reptilian being with a larger skull and brain and a hand with a thumb as you have described it before.

Answer: Yes, you have. But your "great" scientists were not able to reconstruct the skeletons complety, because they wanted to reconstruct reptilian animals, not intelligent beings. You would laugh if you would know how many of the (especially small) saurian skeletons in your museums are totally wrong constructions of never-existing beings, because you used many bones which didn´t really belong together and sometimes you made artificial bones if something was missing you needed to construct an "animal" saurian. Many of your scientists are aware of this problem, but they don´t make it public, because they can´t explain it and they claim, that the right bones were just missing and their reconstruction is right. Many bones of us were used for Iguanodon reconstructions, for example the hands with the visible thumb (look at an Iguanodon in a museum and you will see that I´m right.) A scientist in the country you call United States had build a nearly correct skeleton of our kind some years ago, but the local government (which is partly aware of our existence) confiscated the reconstruction. As we live today (and since thousands of years) nearly completely beneath the earth, you will not find any cadavers or skeletons of us.

Question: You speak sometimes about underground cities and artificial sunlight. Do you mean something like a "hollow Earth" with this. Is there a second sun inside our planet?

Answer: No, Earth is not really completely hollow and there is no second sun inside. This story is ridicolous and physically not possible (even your species should be intelligent enough not to believe this.) Do you know how much mass a sun must have to produce energy and light for a longer time by fusion? Do you really think that there could be a small active sun inside the planet? When I talk about our subterranean home, I talk about large cave systems. The caves you have discovered near to the surface are tiny in comparison to real caves and huge caverns deeper in the earth (in a depth of 2,000 to 8,000 of your metres, but connected with many hidden tunnels to the surface or to surface-near caves) and we live in large and advanced cities and colonies inside such caves. Major sites of us are beyond the Arctic, the Antarctic, Inner Asia, North America and Australia. If I talk about artificial sunlight in our cities I don´t mean a real sun but various technological sources of light (including gravitational sources) which illuminates the caverns and tunnels. There are special cave areas and tunnels with a strong UV light in every city and we use that places to heat our blood. Furthermore, we have also some surface sunplaces in remote areas, especially in America and Australia.

Question: Where can we find such a surface-near entry to your world?

Answer: Do you really think I will tell you their exact location? If you want to find such an entry, you have to search it by yourself (but I would advise you not to do that.) When I came to the surface four days ago, I used an entry approximately 300 of your kilometres north from here near to a large lake, but I doubt that you would be able to find it (there are only a few entries in this part of the world - more are far more north and east.) As a little advice: if you are in a narrow cave or in a tunnel or even in something that looks to you like an artificial mine shaft and as deeper you walk as smoother appear the walls and if you feel unusual warm air streaming from the depth or if you hear the rushing sound of streaming air in a ventilation or elevator shaft, then look for a special kind of artificial and smooth wall somewhere in the cave with a door made of gray metal. If you would be able to open that door (but I doubt this) you would be in a usually round technical room with ventilation systems and elevators to the depth. This is probably an entry to our world. If you have reached this point, you should know that we are now definetly aware of your presence. You are already in big trouble if you have entered the round room, but you should look for one of the two reptilian symbols on the walls. If there are no symbols or other symbols, you are maybe in bigger trouble as you think, because not every underground installation belongs to our kind. Some new tunnel systems are operated from alien races (including hostile races). My general advice if you find yourself in a for you strange underground installation: run away as fast as you can.

Question: You mentioned earlier that you use the name "Lacerta" when you are among humans and that you enjoy it to be in the real sun on the surface of earth. But how can you be among humans? You don´t look like us, so anyone will see that you belong to another species. Why have nobody seen and described a being like you if your kind lives already since our "creation" together with us on the same planet. Can you explain that to me?

Answer: First, my kind was of course seen and described (and worshipped) many times in your primitive past, for example in your religious writings like your Christian Bible. You can find descriptions and even simple drawings of us for also in the southern part of the American continent on various temples. So-called "wise" men from India and from the Asian mountains have described our species many times in writings, together with other "wise" men from the African continent. I think we are the most mentioned non-human species (maybe beside the "Ilojiim") in your history. If you don´t believe me, have a look at your history and you will see the truth in my words. Your "great" scientists called the belief in us "superstition" and "religion" and todays "intelligent" humans have forgotten our presence on the surface in the past.

Furthermore, our species is seen even today sometimes from human witnesses in its original shape on earth or in our surface-near entries and tunnel systems, but fortunately you and your media didn´t take the reports of such "crazies" serious (that´s good for us and that´s the reason why we allow those people to see us as we really are.) Some of my species are also in direct contact with human scientists and politicians from the surface, but this is top-secret - as you would call it - and nobody of your public knows anything about it (the matter of this meetings is generally the upcoming war with and between the alien species and our assistance in this war). But there is also another explanation, why we can walk among you and why you are not able to recognize us: mimicry.

The following may again sound unbelievable and even shocking to you, but as you have asked I will expain it. I have told you before, that we have more advanced mental abilities then your species and with "more advanced" I mean, that we are able to use telepathy and telekinesis from our birth on (in fact, mother and new-born child communicate generally with telepathy during the first months) without special training as you need it to activate these sleeping parts of your brain. The structure of our brain is a little bit different to yours and our hypophyse is larger and more active then yours - especially when we are in sunlight. Our own abilities are very strong in comparison to yours, but weak in comparison to the "matterstring/bubble" mind forces of some of the alien species on this planet. I was never very good in that mind things, but we all have these primary abilities and can use them for example for our protection or even for attack.

When we are on the surface and we meet human beings (even a large group of them - this makes no difference. All of your minds are like one mind) we are able to "touch" their mind and induce them via telepathy the command "See us as one of your kind" and the weak human mind will accept this order without refusion and they will see us (despite our reptilian look) as normal humans. I´ve done this many times and you weak humans generally see me as an attractive brown-haired woman, because I have created this special "mimicry image" in my mind years ago and I can induce it into your minds without problems. I´ve needed some time at the beginning to learn the use of the mimicry correctly, but then it worked nearly automatically and I can even walk among a group of yours and nobody will recognize what I am. There is a simple switch ("See us as we really are / See us as we want you to see us") in your consciousness which was placed there from the "Ilojiim" when they created your kind and we can use this swich to convince you that you see humans when you look at us (other aliens use this switch, too). It is easier as you think. When there are meetings between your kind and aliens which seem to look exactly like yours, these aliens have used that switch and some of the meetings with man-like aliens can be also explained with meetings with my kind.) When I met E.F. the first time, he saw me also as a normal human woman and I remember that he was very frightened and shocked when I revealed him my real appearance.

Question: Do you mean, that you can really make me belief that I talk now with an attractive brown-haired human woman instead of a reptilian being like you?

Answer: Probably, but I don´t think so in your special case. When someone expects to see a human woman instead of me, I can do it without problems with his mind (even with large groups) because nobody expects to see a reptile woman. But I have allowed your mind to see me in my original appearance from our first meeting on and I have never induced something into your mind, so you have already realized that I´m not human. If I would now try to change this, it would probably led to an absolute confusion or to unconsciousness and I don´t want to harm you. As I have said I´m not very good in these things.

Question: That´s very scary. Can you kill with that abilities?


Question: Have both sexes this abilities?

Answer: Yes.

Question: What about photos? How do you appear on photos?

Answer: This is a silly question. I appear on photos as a reptile being, because I can´t have influence on the photo or on the camera itself but only on the photographers mind. If he or she would develop the film and show the photo to others, they would see me in my original shape. That´s the reason why it is forbidden for our kind to be filmed or photographed and we must avoid every camera on the surface (that is very difficult and we were filmed sometimes in the past whitout our knowledge, especially from certain of your goverments and secret agencies.)

Question: What other commands can your kind induce into our minds. Something like "Serve us" or "Obey"?

Answer: This is again a strange question. We are not your enemy (most of us not) so why should we do this? To answer your question: it depends on the strenght of the human mind and on the the strenght of the sending reptilian. There is no "Serve us" or "Serve me" switch in your mind, so such a command is much more difficult to induce. If the human mind and consciouness is weak and the reptilian inducer is experienced in these things and was some hours in the sun before he or she tries to do it, then it could probably work for a certain time. There are secret teachings about such things, but I´ve never learned anything about it. I use my primary abilities for mimicry and for communication with my own kind and sometimes for other private things, but I´ve never used it to harm humans or their mind. I would appreciate it if we can end with this topic here.

Question: A last question: you´ve said earlier, that you can hide your UFOs? Do you use the same abilities to do this?

Answer: Yes, but on a technical base. There is a powerful device inside each craft which is able to send an artificial signal to your minds to convince you, that you see either nothing but only the sky or that you see normal aircraft like planes instead of our ships. This isn´t used very often, because we avoid human public when we move in the atmosphere. If you are able to see our "UFOs" it means that the device is either defect or deactivated for some reason. The camouflage effect didn´t work on photos - to answer this possible question of you already in advance - but why should someone make a photo of the sky when he could not see anything unusual there. By the way, most of the surface-near entry points to our tunnels are also hidden with such a device and your kind will generally see only normal cave walls instead of the door. That´s one reason why I´ve said that I doubt that you will be able to find such a secret door to our world (but it have happened a few times in the past.)

Question: Back to your and our own history. You´ve mentioned the race of the "Illojiim" who have created our human race. From where did they come and how did they look like? What had exactly happened when they arrived? Are they our "God"?

Answer: The "Illojiim" came from this universe, from the solar system you call "Aldebaran" in your maps. They were a very tall humanoid species whit usually blonde hairs and a very white skin (they avoided the sunlight, because it hurted their skin and their eyes. This was absolutely unbelievable for a sun-loving species like us). They seemed to be intelligent and peaceful at the beginning and we started a more or less friendly communication with them, but later they showed their real intentions and plans: they wanted to evolve the apes to a new breed and we were a disturbing factor for them on their new zoo planet. At first, they caught around 10,000 or maybe even 20,000 of your simian ancestors and they left the planet for some hundred years. When they returned, they brought your (now more human) ancestors back. Then they left Earth again for some thousands of years and the primitive pre-humans lived together with us without major problems (they were just afraid of our aircraft and technology). The "Illojiim" had tought their mind and enhanced their brain and their body structure and they were now able to use tools and fire. The "Illojiim" returned within 23,000 years seven times and accelerated the evolution speed of certain of your kind. You must understand, that you are not the first human civilization on the planet. The first advanced humans (who lived at the same time with less-developed pre-humans, because the "Illojiim" had experimented with different speeds and stages of evolution) with technology and speech existed around 700,000 years ago on this planet (your scientists have not understand this, because they´ve found only the bones of the pre-humans and some primitive cave drawings showing advanced humans and flying devices.) This genetically advanced human breed lived together with us, but they avoided contact with my kind, because the "Illojiim" teachers had warned them with misleading purpose that we are evil beings and that we lie to them.

Well, after some centuries the aliens decided to extinct their first creation and they accelerated the evoltion of a second and better test series and so on and so on. The truth is, that your modern human civilization is not the first on this planet Earth but already the seventh. The buildings of the first breeds are lost, but the fifth civilization was the one, which built the large triangular constructions you call "Egyptian Pyramids" today around 75,000 years ago (your Egyptians just found that large ancient pyramids in the sand and tried not very sucessful to built similar constructions) and the sixth civilization was the one, which built the cities which ruins you can find today beneath the sea in the so-called Bimini Area around 16,000 years ago. The last creation of the seventh breed - of your series - was done just 8,500 years ago and this is the only creation you can remember and to which your religious writings refer. You rely on archeological and paleonthological artefacts which show you a wrong and short past, but how should you know anything about the six civilizations before. And if you find evidence for their existence, you deny and misinterpret the facts. This is partly a programming of your mind and partly pure ignorance. I will tell you in the following only about your creations, because the six previous mankinds are lost and therefore they should not concern you.

There was a long war between us and the "Illojiim" and also between certain groups of the "Illojiim" themselves, because many of them were the opinion that the again-and-again creation of human species on this planet makes no real sense. The last battles in this war were fought around 5,000 years ago in orbit and surface. The aliens used powerful sonic weapons to destroy our underground cities but on the other hand we were able to destroy many of their surface installations and bases in space. The humans of your series were very frightened when they observed our battles and they wrote it down in form of religious myths (their mind was not able to understand what was really going on.) The "Illojiim" - who appeared as "gods" for the sixth and seventh breed - told them that it is a war between good and evil and that they are the good and we are the evil race. This depends certainly on the point of view. It was our planet before they arrived and before they started their evolution project with your kind. In my opinion, it was our right to fight for our planet. It was exactly 4,943 years ago - according to your time scale - that the Elohim left the planet again for unknown reasons (this is a very important date for us, because many of our historians called it a victory.) Fact is, that we don´t know what had really happened. The "Illojiim" were gone from one day to another, they vanished without a trace together with their ships and we found most of their surface installations destroyed by them. The humans were on their own and your civilization developed. Many of us were in contact with certain (more southern) tribes of your species in the coming centuries and we were able to convince some of them that we are not the "Evil" the aliens wanted them to believe. During the time from 4,900 years ago to today, many other alien species arrived the planet (some of them used the old teaching and programming of your mind and "played" again God for you) but the "Illojiim" themselves never came back. They had left the planet for a duration of some thousand years also earlier, so we expect their return one day in future to end their project or to maybe extinct also the seventh breed, but we don´t really know what have happened to them (to answer this question of you in advance).

Your current civilization don´t know anything about your real origin, about your real past, about your real world and universe and you know very little about us and our past. And you know nothing about the things to come in near future. As long as you will not understand and believe my words - I tell you the truth because we are not your enemy - as long there is danger for your species. Your enemies are already here and you have not understand. Open your eyes or you will be in big trouble soon. If you haven´t believed anything of the things I´ve told you before, then you should really believe and remember this.

Question: Why do you think I don´t believe you?

Answer: I have a certain feeling that you don´t believe me, despite the fact that I´m sitting here in front of you. Everything I have told you in the last two hours is the absolute truth about our world.

Question: How many alien species are active on earth at the moment?

Answer: As far as we know 14 species. 11 from this universe, 2 from another "bubble" and 1 very advanced from a very different plain. Don´t ask me for names, because nearly all are not pronouncable for you, eight of them are not pronouncable even for us. Most of the species - especially the more advanced - are just studying you as animals and they are not very dangerous for you and for us and we work together with some of them, but three species are hostile, including the one which was in contact with some of your governments and exchanged their technology for copper and other important things and which had betrayed your kind. There was and is a "cold war" between two of these hostile races during the last 73 years and the third species seemed to be the "winner" in this useless struggle. We expect a more "hot" war between them and you in the near future (I would say in the next 10 or 20 years) and we are worried about that development. In the last time, there were some rumours about a new, fifteenth species which had arrived on Earth just 3 or 4 years ago, but we don´t know anything about their intentions and we were not in contact with them till now. Maybe the rumours are wrong.

Question: What do the hostile alien races want?

Answer: Various raw materials, including copper for their technology, your water (or better the hydrogen in your water, which is a source of energy in advancded fusion processes) and certain chemical elements in your air. Furthermore, two of the species are also interested in your body, in your human tissue and blood, because their own genetic structure is defect through bad evolution and radiation (as far as we know) and they need intact strings from your kind and from animals to repair their own genetic again and again, but they are not really able to repair the defects completely because their DNA and your DNA is not fully compatible (my own species is absolutely incompatible with them, so they are not very interested in us) and they try to make more compatible crossbreeds between you and them by use of artificial fertizilations and artificial wombs. We suppose that the coming war between the three races or between you and one or all of them will be fought for raw material, hydrogen, air and DNA.

Question: Is this the reason for the "abductions"?

Answer: Partly, especially when the aliens took egg and sperm samples from you. Sometimes the abducters belong to another and more advanced race and they just want to study your body and your mind (which is more interesting for some of them then your solid body) as you would study a primitive animal. As I have said, three alien species are hostile and this means that they do not care for your fate or for your life and people who were "abducted" by them came very rarely back alive. If someone is able to report about an abduction, it means in my opinion that he or she has not met one of the aggressive species or that he or she is a very very lucky human to be alive. Advanced and "friendly" races also took sometimes egg and sperm samples, but for other reasons.

Question: You´ve said there are only 14 species active on earth. But why desribe people who saw alien beings so many different and bizzare types of them?

Answer: I think I have already answered to this question. As I have said, most of the alien races have much more advanced mind abilities then you or even me (there is just one alien race completely without such abilities). They are able to appear in your mind and memory as whatever they want and this induced "image" have nothing to do with their real appearance. You remember them as normal humans or grey dwarfs or even extremly bizarre animals because they want you to remember that or sometimes they want you to completely forget anything about a meeting with them. Another example: you can for example remember that you were just in a normal of your human hospitals and that some doctors were examining you and you think not further about what have happened to you (maybe till you discover that there is no hospital in the street were you supposed it) but in fact you were examined by them in one of their laboratories. You can´t rely on your mind in this case. They appear in different shapes to you to confuse you and to make so-called abduction witnesses who were able to remember the events - or who believe they are able to remember - ridicolous in the public and as far as we know, they are sucessful. Believe me, there are only 14 alien species on this planet and only eight of them abduct humans at the moment (again as far as we know.) In addition, not everyone of your "abductees" is one and some of the aliens in their reports are really just imagination or lies.

Answer: How can we protect us against this influence on our mind?

Question: I don´t know. I doubt you can, because your mind is like an open book to read and write for nearly every species I know. This is partly the guilty of the "Illojiim" themselves, because they had constructed or better mis-constructed (partly intentionally) your mind and your consciousness without real protection mechanisms. If you are aware that someone tries to manipulate your mind, you can only concentrate on that suspicion and try to analyze every of your thoughts and memories. Very important: don´t close your eyes (this would led to a different form of brain waves which are more easy to access) and don´t sit or lay down to rest. If you stay awake during the first minutes, you can maybe try to filter the other thoughts and waves in your brain and the inducer will give up after some minutes if he or she is not sucessful because it will start to hurt his or her own brain. This is very difficult and certainly painful and it can harm you, so better don´t try to resist but it would be the only possibility you have. However, you can try this only with the more weaker species, not with the strong.

Question: What do you mean with "one species comes from a very different plain"?

Answer: Before I can explain that correctly to you, you must be able to understand the universe and this would mean a maybe useless teaching of your mind (including the remove of some barriers) of many weeks and with teaching I mean not only teaching by words. I have said this with your word "plain" or "level" because you have again no better word in your vocabulary and dimension would be in this case absolutely wrong (it´s rather wrong even for another "bubble") because a dimension can´t exist without plains. If you would be a species living in another or over the plain and if you would be furthermore able to enter plains without technology so that your body is not made of that kind of matter you know, then you would be the mightiest being you can imagine. This very advanced race I´ve mentioned had developed outside of here and they´ve evolved in fact over billions of years. They would be able

to destroy all of you and us and everything with just a single thought. We were in contact with them only 3 times in our whole history, because their interest in your planet is different from that of all other races. They are definetly no danger for you or us.

Question: What will happen when the war begins?

Answer: This is difficult to answer. It depends on the enemy race and on their tactic. "War" is not always that primitive thing you humans mean with the word, "War" can be fought on various levels. One possibility they have is the "destruction" of your social system by influence on political leaders, another is the use of advanced weapon systems which can cause earthquakes or vulcanic eruptions or other disasters (including weather disasters) which may seem natural to you. The special fields from copper-fusion I´ve mentioned earlier are able to have an influence on your global weather. I think they will not attack the planet directly before the human civilization is weak, because even you have possibilities to destroy their craft (but not many.) Let me say, that we are not absolutely sure if there will be really such a "hot" war already in the next years. I don´t want to talk further about this.

Question: This is the end of the interview. Do you want to say a last sentence or message?

Answer: Open your eyes and see. Don´t believe only in your wrong history or your scientists or your policians. Some of them know the truth about various things, but they don´t inform the public to avoid confusion and panic. I think your species is not as bad as some of my kind think and it would be a pity to observe your end. That´s everything I can say. Go through your world with open eyes and you will see - or maybe not. Your kind is ignorant.

Question: Do you think anyone will believe that this interview is the truth?

Answer: No, but it is an interesting experiment for my social studies. We will meet again in some months and you will tell me then what have happened after the publication of my message. Maybe there is hope for your kind.
Aliens Index

981 posted on 02/28/2005 6:27:13 AM PST by vannrox (The Preamble to the Bill of Rights - without it, our Bill of Rights is meaningless!)
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To: vannrox

THANKS MUCH.

I concur.


982 posted on 02/28/2005 6:51:58 AM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: vannrox

I agree. With so much hogwash about Roswell about, this is one of the better ones.

THX.


983 posted on 02/28/2005 6:55:41 AM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: vannrox

HMMMM

Quite a narrative!

And what's your ass3essment of the degree of truth to that?

Sounds like a good chunk of the Biblical GREAT DECEPTION, to me.


984 posted on 02/28/2005 8:21:04 AM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: Quix; vannrox

Just finished reading it. Seems 100% like the Great Deception to me.


985 posted on 02/28/2005 11:03:38 AM PST by Betis70 (I'm only Left Wing when I play hockey)
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To: cgbg
There was a great quote on the show last night by one of the pilots. He said "You just can't imagine what it is like to see something that is not supposed to be there." Think about what that experience would do to anyone, whether you are seeing aliens or triangle shaped craft taking 90 degree turns or unicorns or whatever.

I saw something myself along with many other people (cars were stopped all along the bridge) that still has no explanation and may never. It lasted for almost 30 minutes, and was like nothing I have ever seen or even heard described. While I wondered intently as to what it was, I never felt it was an alien trying to attract attention, simply because it would have been infinitely easier for a true alien to attract attention, if that's what it was, and what it was attempting to do.

Fair-minded people just have to ignore the garbage and try to determine the facts regardless of the diversions and obstacles thrown in their path by the MSM and the disinformation specialists.

If our government had any absolute knowledge of alien existence, they couldn't possibly keep it secret, simply too inept. It's already been proven we couldn't keep our most important secret hidden for long, as the A-bomb secrets made their way to the other side of the world in about 5 years. Someone would have snuck something out by now, if there was anything to Roswell on down.

986 posted on 02/28/2005 6:03:25 PM PST by Golden Eagle (Team America)
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To: Betis70

I think at a MINIMUM, when the dust settles after disclosure as much as it might/or will--the UFO/ET stuff will end up saying the same sort of thing re God, Jesus etc. There have been many variations on this theme.

AS Paul said:

If an angel from Heaven comes preaching any other gospel, consider him accursed.

I'm a bit concerned for those Christians who are so out of balance toward dogma they almost worship dogma vs God. Even accurate dogma is NO substitute for RELATIONSHIP with God! I think that only those with a RELATIONSHIP are likely to resist the deceptions coming. We must know His voice and follow Him closely.

THX.


987 posted on 02/28/2005 6:11:31 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: Quix
ACTUALLY, there is a surprising number of disc etc shaped drawings of sky craft that are BC. IIRC, some may be more than 10,000 years old. Certainly there are Medieval (sp?)drawing, paintings with such. IIRC, the BC drawings come from virtually ever continent.

I've read both sides of the arguments, and so far the debunkers are far ahead from what I can tell. "Charriots of the Gods" is the most popular literature detailing ancient astronauts, and like many of the claims put forth by others, much of the contents were found to be completely fraudulent.

988 posted on 02/28/2005 6:11:57 PM PST by Golden Eagle (Team America)
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To: Golden Eagle

Yes and no.

Lots of things have been kept absolutely out of the public eye and even from proper government oversight for decades.

In case of the UFO stuff, lots has come out. But any hard objects and quality photos always get retrieved or destroyed before wide distribution. Dr Stephen Greer has a lot of stuff waiting in the wings for disclosure when the sources can get Congressional Immunity.

Anyway--it will surface. But life will not be the same once it does.

Thx for your kind post.


989 posted on 02/28/2005 6:14:52 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: My2Cents
Why is it no one in the UFO investigative field has considered the possibility that what is being seen are demonic deceptions -- spiritual apparitions intended to lead the gullible and unbelieving even further from the truth?

My guess is because hardly anyone "in the UFO investigative field" actually believes in the possibility of satan or demons, something not even all that proclaim to be Christian believe in. But it was a glaring omission from Jenning's show, that should have definitely deserved a mention as at least as plausible as aliens actually visiting from other planets.

990 posted on 02/28/2005 6:20:00 PM PST by Golden Eagle (Team America)
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To: Golden Eagle
"they couldn't possibly keep it secret, simply too inept"

I tend to agree with that - although with all the stories going around, maybe some stuff has gotten out, but has just been completely ridiculed so it won't be believed.

As far as whether they are here or not, I liked the analogy of an ant colony next to the super highway. I don't think there should be any assumption that aliens would be even remotely understandable or even detectable by us.

991 posted on 02/28/2005 6:20:33 PM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: traumer

I take it something has just happened that would make some high-profile liberals look very, very bad if only it became widely known.


992 posted on 02/28/2005 6:23:21 PM PST by Mmmike
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To: Golden Eagle

Didn't read chariots of the gods. Didn't think much of it from what I heard and scanned.

But, there have been quality photos of rock art and other early art with credible representations of disc shaped craft from very early eras in a number of UFO related books.

Anyway--stay tuned. The debunkers will have their day for a time.


993 posted on 02/28/2005 6:24:18 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: Quix
If an angel from Heaven comes preaching any other gospel, consider him accursed.

Thanks, can't be said enough!

I'm a bit concerned for those Christians who are so out of balance toward dogma they almost worship dogma vs God. Even accurate dogma is NO substitute for RELATIONSHIP with God! I think that only those with a RELATIONSHIP are likely to resist the deceptions coming. We must know His voice and follow Him closely.

VERY wise words, too many simply go through the motions, without truly knowing God, and hence, never receive his full blessings.

994 posted on 02/28/2005 6:31:16 PM PST by Golden Eagle (Team America)
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To: Quix
In case of the UFO stuff, lots has come out. But any hard objects and quality photos always get retrieved or destroyed before wide distribution. Dr Stephen Greer has a lot of stuff waiting in the wings for disclosure when the sources can get Congressional Immunity.

Right now I see UFOlogy often positioning itself in contrast with the worship of God as our superior being, so until I see verifiable proof that another intelligent being exists, I am extremely skeptical. With the plethora of questionable forms of communication, from tabloids to Jerry Springer, if there was something concrete, someone would have done whatever it took to turn a buck on it by now. Peter Jennings being questionable too, of course!

995 posted on 02/28/2005 6:38:58 PM PST by Golden Eagle (Team America)
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To: Sam Cree
I tend to agree with that - although with all the stories going around, maybe some stuff has gotten out, but has just been completely ridiculed so it won't be believed.

Speaking for myself, I'm always interested in the possibility, my mind remains open despite the pollution that overwhelms the subject from the tricksters and the occult. This is probably because I personally witnessed an unexplained "sighting" once before, but it wasn't something that was completely impossible by man, nor have I seen evidence of anything yet that wasn't possible by man.

I don't think there should be any assumption that aliens would be even remotely understandable or even detectable by us.

All assumptions have to be that they don't exist, since there's no substantiative proof to the contrary. I'm open to the possibility, but I do not assume anything exists without significant reason to.

996 posted on 02/28/2005 6:58:00 PM PST by Golden Eagle (Team America)
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To: Golden Eagle

Well, the assumption that life exists only on earth is not provable either. I think that most scientists doubt it to be the case.


997 posted on 02/28/2005 7:02:30 PM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Quix
But, there have been quality photos of rock art and other early art with credible representations of disc shaped craft from very early eras in a number of UFO related books.

I've seen some of these, some are known to be fakes, and some could represent the sun or the moon which are most often circular. It seems to me that if something as advanced as a spaceship had appeared to primitive man, or even up until the 18th century or so in some parts of the world, that it would have been worshiped as a god, and it's legend would have grown to the point it would have it's own religion based on ancient lore. But instead there were other things worshiped, and more stories of dragons and giants than of objects flying through the sky at amazing speed.

998 posted on 02/28/2005 7:15:04 PM PST by Golden Eagle (Team America)
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To: Sam Cree
Well, the assumption that life exists only on earth is not provable either. I think that most scientists doubt it to be the case.

Well they're not actual scientists if they truly believe in something in which they have no proof. And we have none at this point, neither of any life existing on any other planet, or of how life can be created "out of the blue" using known elements.

999 posted on 02/28/2005 7:29:03 PM PST by Golden Eagle (Team America)
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To: vannrox

Interesting read. Is this written as fiction or is the author claiming it to be real?


1,000 posted on 02/28/2005 7:32:11 PM PST by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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