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Archeologists discover St. Paul's tomb
Catholic World News ^ | Feb 17, 2005 | unknown

Posted on 02/17/2005 12:58:57 PM PST by Mike Fieschko

Rome, Feb. 17 (CWNews.com) - Vatican archeologists believe that they have identified the tomb of St. Paul in the Roman basilica that bears his name.

A sarcophagus which may contain the remains of St. Paul was identified in the basilica of St. Paul Outside the Walls, reports Giorgio Filippi, a archeology specialist with the Vatican Museums. The sarcophagus was discovered during the excavations carried out in 2002 and 2003 around the basilica, which is located in the south of Rome. Having reached what they believe is a positive identification of the tomb, Vatican experts will soon make a public announcement of their discovery.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeology; archeology; discovery; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; morelies; rome; stpaul; tomb; vatican
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To: Bertha Fanation

If this is sarcasm, please include the /sarcasm tag.

If not, please explain to me what is good about homosexuality?


141 posted on 02/17/2005 5:20:26 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: TonyRo76

Actually, a quite reasonable, former Catholic, Protestant


142 posted on 02/17/2005 5:20:58 PM PST by Grn_Lantern
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To: hosepipe

Do you see no value in history at all?

I am a Protestant and dislike much of Roman Catholic theology.

But, this is dang fascinating just for the historical side.

And, if it is Paul, wow! How sweet is that?


143 posted on 02/17/2005 5:21:58 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: agrarianlady

Well, he is the Vatican archaeologist.

If the Church tells him not to open it, he won't.

Unfortunately, the Catholic Church likes to horde its finds to itself and not let scientists examine.

Case in point: they refuse to let any excavation at all take place below the Temple Mount where the Ark of the Covenant may be buried.

The Catholics just flat refuse.

It is frustrating stuff.


144 posted on 02/17/2005 5:24:46 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: TonyRo76

It seems to me that the Garden Tomb in Jerusalem is much more likely than the Church of the Holy Sepulcher.

There is a skull-shaped cliff right by the Garden Tomb, by the way.


145 posted on 02/17/2005 5:28:13 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: MBB1984
I have heard that his thorn was his poor eyesight, which is indicated in one of the epistles.

The indication being a reference to his handwriting being large. This could have been because of poor vision, or possibly a problem with manual dexterity. Either way, it was likely some brain damage caused by having been stoned several times. Once he was stoned and thought to be dead, and recovered later.

147 posted on 02/17/2005 5:34:02 PM PST by Aarchaeus
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To: Red Badger

And some believe it was poor eyesight after his experience on the road to Damascus and from his comment about how big his handwriting was.


149 posted on 02/17/2005 5:50:23 PM PST by LittleBoPeep
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To: Sola Veritas
Thorn in the flesh?

I vote for Cardinal Sodano...

150 posted on 02/17/2005 5:57:48 PM PST by Siobhan (Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us. Blessed Jacinta, pray for us. Blessed Francisco, pray for us.)
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To: TonyRo76

He does indeed. And I actually believe that some of this was left vauge just so we could fight about it...so we stay focused.

Cause really. Either way here, it doesn't matter. No one's going to find salvation because of someone's handwriting. But it makes us talk...and think. And if nothing else, it makes us believe.

Bless you also, my FRiend.


151 posted on 02/17/2005 7:13:13 PM PST by Grn_Lantern
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To: rwfromkansas
[ And, if it is Paul, wow! How sweet is that? ]

Not so sweet IMO... Just don't get it..
History.?. Maybe, maybe not.. Hero worship flys in the face of Pauls ministry.. as I see it.. but it was just a question.. no flame intended.. toward anybody..

152 posted on 02/17/2005 7:32:06 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Mike Fieschko

bump


153 posted on 02/17/2005 7:41:34 PM PST by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: Grn_Lantern
I checked: Galatians is also the letter where St. Paul refers to his own writing in large letters. Douay-Rheims translates 6:11 as
See what a letter I have written to you with my own hand
The New International Version has it
See what large letters I use as I write to you with my own hand!
The Greek original is
idete pelikois ymin grammasin egrapsa te eme cheiri
Literally,
see with what distinct (or particular) letters (I) wrote with my hand
Jerome translates
videte qualibus litteris scripsi vobis mea manu
"Grammasin" is plural. "Litteris" is plural dative of "littera" and so Paul must be referring to the particularity of the letters of the alphabet and not, as Douay has it, of the entire epistle.

On this thread earlier I checked with Douay only, but had a memory of "big letters", hence the mistaken mentioning of another Paul's letter.

1 Corinthians, Colossians, 2 Thessalonians indicate that Paul wrote the farewell greeting in his own hand.

In Philemon 1:19 Paul indicates that the entire letter is written personally by him:

I Paul have written it with my own hand: I will repay it: not to say to thee that thou owest me thy own self also.

The point stands: Paul had difficulty writing, and when he did, made large letters he himself could see. He had his letters typically dictated, but one was written by him entirely and others had the prting words written by him. The high literary quality of his epistles, as well as his elevated position prior to the conversion, indicate a level of education incompatible with illiteracy, as is the fact that he could write at least a part of his letter.

154 posted on 02/17/2005 7:50:53 PM PST by annalex
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To: Bertha Fanation
The thorne in his side was that he was an unapologetic homophobe!

ROTFLMHO!!!

155 posted on 02/17/2005 8:29:35 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: RS
"The first is curiosity, the second is grave robbing."

Incorrect, and unnecessarily insulting to Catholicism.
156 posted on 02/17/2005 10:49:47 PM PST by dsc
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To: rwfromkansas

"I am a Protestant and dislike much of Roman Catholic theology."

There are not a hundred people in America who hate the Catholic Church—but there are millions who hate what they mistakenly think the Catholic Church teaches.

Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen


157 posted on 02/17/2005 10:51:38 PM PST by dsc
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To: hosepipe

"Which is important.. WHY.?."

It is important because it's a Christian discovery and reinforces Christian identity and Western culture, which is good, of course.


158 posted on 02/17/2005 10:57:56 PM PST by TheBrotherhood ("cupido capere et videri gravis" or somesuch.)
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To: dsc

My mother grew up Catholic and I have a book on Catholic doctrine by some Bishop of Boston at the end of the 19th century. I am not just reading some Prot site.


159 posted on 02/17/2005 11:06:24 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: Mike Fieschko; blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; ...
Thanks, Mike.
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on, off, or alter the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list --
Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.
The GGG Digest
-- Gods, Graves, Glyphs (alpha order)

160 posted on 02/18/2005 1:39:45 AM PST by SunkenCiv ("Are you an over due book? Because you've got FINE written all over you!")
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