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Italy faces wartime communist killings
Herald Sun ^ | 09feb05

Posted on 02/08/2005 12:19:20 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

ITALIAN state television has exhumed old hatreds between the political Right and Left in Italy with the dramatisation of a World War II massacre that was banished from the history books.

RAI this week broadcast Il Cuore nel Pozzo (The Heart in a Pit) about the slaughter in the 1940s of about 15,000 Italians living in disputed territory in the mountains of modern-day Slovenia and Croatia. The film portrays screaming children ripped from their mothers' arms and families set before firing squads - not by Benito Mussolini's Fascists, but by Italian communists and Yugoslav partisans.

"This tragedy was hidden to most Italians for 60 years," director Alberto Negrin said.

"I wanted to show the story in simple emotional terms, that thousands of innocent people, including children and women, died terrible deaths. The aim was not to make it political."

However, keeping politics away has proved impossible.

The tragedy of the Foibe, named after the deep chasms the victims were thrown into, was initially hushed up by politicians keen to heal Italy's war wounds and move on with reconstruction.

The 1943-45 massacres also sat uncomfortably with Italy's post-war history, which portrayed the communist partisans as national heroes who saved the country from its alliance with Adolf Hitler.

But Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, who rails against communism, and his right-wing Government have been eager to dig up the past, naming February 10 the first memorial day for the Foibe and promoting RAI's €4.5 million ($7.5million) film.

"We must pull from this abyss of lies a truth hidden by the imposition of a cultural bias," said communications minister Maurizio Gasparri, a member of the National Alliance, which has its roots in Mussolini's fascist party.

But Slovenia's former foreign minister, Ivo Vajgl, criticised the making of the drama as an "offence and provocation" to Slovenia.

While Italy's Left has stayed mute over the Foibe, some centre-left politicians are facing up to the past, with Rome mayor Walter Veltroni visiting the area last week to pay homage to the dead. "The Holocaust was a tragedy without equal, but it was not the only tragedy of the 20th century. What I have seen here is witness to a guilty silence, even involving the communists."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeology; balkans; berlusconi; communism; croatia; fascism; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; italy; partisans; slovenia; warcrimes; yugoslavia

1 posted on 02/08/2005 12:19:20 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Fascinating post.


2 posted on 02/08/2005 12:23:28 PM PST by free_european
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Looking at the raging hate that the left exhibits today it would only take the presentation of an opportunity for them to engage in this type of activity again.
3 posted on 02/08/2005 12:30:01 PM PST by fella
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Good. One of the 41 Bush's biggest mistakes during his Presidency, was that he didn't use the euphoria of the fall of the Berlin Wall to push for an international court to condemn Communism, and possibly put leading Communist figures from the former 2nd World on trial - secret policemen, Gulag wardens, ect. This would have been a brilliant political manuever to stain the Left forever, as the Left has gotten away with exonerating Communism: bragging about being "Anti-anti-communists" (can you imagine someone in public claiming to be an "Anti-anti-Nazi"?), hiding the 100 million dead in 85 years, ignoring the consequences of collectivism, ect. The Ward Churchill's and Michael Moore's of the world could no longer ignore the crimes of Communism, if there was some international indictment against the ideology itself.


4 posted on 02/08/2005 12:32:00 PM PST by 0siris
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To: Tailgunner Joe

During the 20th Century, the communists killed more people than anybody.

Stalin 25,000,000
Mao 60,000,000

They made Hitler and Mussolini and Saddam combined look like pikers.


5 posted on 02/08/2005 12:46:47 PM PST by Beckwith (Barbara Boxer is the Wicked Witch of the West . . .)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

How long till this film get reviewed by the "Sundance" crowd. I'm not holding my breath on that one. Henry Fonda this film is for YOU!!!


6 posted on 02/08/2005 12:50:26 PM PST by Winston Smith
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To: Tailgunner Joe
ITALIAN state television has exhumed old hatreds between the political Right and Left in Italy with the dramatisation of a World War II massacre that was banished from the history books.

Left and Right? Communist socialist vs National socialist sound more like a fight between the left and the left like Dean vs. Kennedy.

7 posted on 02/08/2005 1:20:07 PM PST by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: Beckwith

You can't put Mussolini in the category of those killers. Compared to them, he was a saint. Communists are red for a reason.


8 posted on 02/08/2005 1:48:06 PM PST by ValenB4
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"I kill a communist for fun! But for a Green Card..."

- Tony Montana, AKA "Scarface"

9 posted on 02/08/2005 3:11:19 PM PST by FierceDraka (The Democratic Party - Aiding and Abetting The Enemies of America Since 1968)
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To: Winston Smith

I can envision a Quentin Tarantino style screenplay that would be quite effective in tearing the heart from Communist sympathizers. Never say a film will not be made or will be unsuccessful, just look at The Passion. It could happen.


10 posted on 02/08/2005 3:11:29 PM PST by XHogPilot
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To: Beckwith
Of course for sheer percentages, it's difficult to beat Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. They managed to kill about a quarter to a third of Cambodia's entire population after they were given the green light to take over when the Democrats cut funding to the right-wing government fighting them and while the Left, including Noam Chomsky, cheered them on and made excuses for them.
11 posted on 02/08/2005 3:59:57 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: an italian; Cacique; SunkenCiv
Historical ping.
12 posted on 02/08/2005 4:19:59 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("There is some sugar...It's harder in the case of fires. The tariffs are too high!")
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To: Tailgunner Joe; ValenB4; Osiris; Question_Assumptions; Beckwith; FierceDraka
MUSSOLINI:

The Last 600 Days Of Il Duce

-Ray Moseley

13 posted on 02/08/2005 4:34:47 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("There is some sugar...It's harder in the case of fires. The tariffs are too high!")
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To: blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 4ConservativeJustices; ...
Thanks, Do not dub me shapka broham. A GGG ping, under the "Thoroughly Modern Miscellany" category.
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on, off, or alter the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list --
Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.
The GGG Digest
-- Gods, Graves, Glyphs (alpha order)

14 posted on 02/08/2005 9:38:16 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Ted "Kids, I Sunk the Honey" Kennedy is just a drunk who's never held a job (or had to).)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

"The tragedy of the Foibe, named after the deep chasms the victims were thrown into, was initially hushed up by politicians keen to heal Italy's war wounds and move on with reconstruction."

Road apples. It was hushed up for the same reason Katyn Forest and hundreds of other incidents were hushed up: to protect communism and communists.

Here's a really good column on the subject of movies about communism:

http://reason.com/0006/fe.kb.hollywoods.shtml


15 posted on 02/09/2005 12:33:53 AM PST by dsc
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To: Tailgunner Joe
REMOVE MY NAME FROM YOUR PING LIST IMMEDIATELY. I NEVER REQUESTED TO BE PLACED ON ANY PING LIST THAT YOU MAY HAVE!!!!!
16 posted on 02/09/2005 5:50:03 AM PST by Lion in Winter (grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr... LION IS HERE... I am in favor of banning WHINERS!!)
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To: Question_Assumptions; All

I don't believe the communist ever did anything like this. The VC, NVA, and Khmer Rouge were really a bunch of real nice people. I distinctly remember, during the anti-war marches of the 60's and 70's, signs comparing the VC to Jesus Christ himself. If the communist are such bad people why did our estemed politians such as Bill Clinton and John Kerry march on their behalf? I mean we even had some of our most notable movie stars such as Jane Fonda support them. This has got to be some type of mistake.


17 posted on 02/09/2005 5:59:58 AM PST by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.I)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; fastattacksailor; broadsword; Fred Nerks; jan in Colorado; ariamne; ...

Excellent post. Just because the Soviets are history it doesn't mean the Commies are gone...

In fact, I think a major power behind a lot of the terrorists is Communism

Old Enemies PING!


18 posted on 02/09/2005 6:07:41 AM PST by Former Dodger (I thought ABORTION was murder and FUR was a Woman's right to choose.)
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To: Former Dodger
Former Dodger, thank you so much for this ping! Very interesting article.

>>>> I think a major power behind a lot of the terrorists is Communism <<<

I'm afraid you are correct. What is really alarming is that PC, as well as the left and the ACLU, have also enabled our enemies to gain power in our own Country. The enemies of Freedom must be exposed and destroyed.
19 posted on 02/09/2005 9:21:19 AM PST by jan in Colorado ("...for all things are possible with God." Mark 10:27)
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