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Posted on 01/28/2005 4:28:41 PM PST by metacognative

Panicked Evolutionists: The Stephen Meyer Controversy

The theory of evolution is a tottering house of ideological cards that is more about cherished mythology than honest intellectual endeavor. Evolutionists treat their cherished theory like a fragile object of veneration and worship--and so it is. Panic is a sure sign of intellectual insecurity, and evolutionists have every reason to be insecure, for their theory is falling apart.

The latest evidence of this panic comes in a controversy that followed a highly specialized article published in an even more specialized scientific journal. Stephen C. Meyer, Director of the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture, wrote an article accepted for publication in Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington. The article, entitled "The Origin of Biological Information and the Higher Taxonomic Categories," was published after three independent judges deemed it worthy and ready for publication. The use of such judges is standard operating procedure among "peer-reviewed" academic journals, and is considered the gold standard for academic publication.

The readership for such a journal is incredibly small, and the Biological Society of Washington does not commonly come to the attention of the nation's journalists and the general public. Nevertheless, soon after Dr. Meyer's article appeared, the self-appointed protectors of Darwinism went into full apoplexy. Internet websites and scientific newsletters came alive with outrage and embarrassment, for Dr. Meyer's article suggested that evolution just might not be the best explanation for the development of life forms. The ensuing controversy was greater than might be expected if Dr. Meyer had argued that the world is flat or that hot is cold.

Eugenie C. Scott, Executive Director of the National Center for Science Education, told The Scientist that Dr. Meyer's article came to her attention when members of the Biological Society of Washington contacted her office. "Many members of the society were stunned about the article," she told The Scientist, and she described the article as "recycled material quite common in the intelligent design community." Dr. Scott, a well known and ardent defender of evolutionary theory, called Dr. Meyer's article "substandard science" and argued that the article should never have been published in any scientific journal.

Within days, the Biological Society of Washington, intimidated by the response of the evolutionary defenders, released a statement apologizing for the publication of the article. According to the Chronicle of Higher Education, the society's governing council claimed that the article "was published without the prior knowledge of the council." The statement went on to declare: "We have met and determined that all of us would have deemed this paper inappropriate for the pages of the Proceedings." The society's president, Roy W. McDiarmid, a scientist at the U.S. Geological Survey, blamed the article's publication on the journal's previous editor, Richard Sternberg, who now serves as a fellow at the National Center for Biotechnology Information at the National Institute of Health. "My conclusion on this," McDiarmid said, "was that it was a really bad judgment call on the editor's part."

What is it about Dr. Stephen Meyer's paper that has caused such an uproar? Meyer, who holds a Ph.D. from Cambridge University, argued in his paper that the contemporary form of evolutionary theory now dominant in the academy, known as "Neo-Darwinism," fails to account for the development of higher life forms and the complexity of living organisms. Pointing to what evolutionists identify as the "Cambrian explosion," Meyer argued that "the geologically sudden appearance of many new animal body plans" cannot be accounted for by Darwinian theory, "neo" or otherwise.

Accepting the scientific claim that the Cambrian explosion took place "about 530 million years ago," Meyer went on to explain that the "remarkable jump in the specified complexity or 'complex specified information' [CSI] of the biological world" cannot be explained by evolutionary theory.

The heart of Dr. Meyer's argument is found in this scientifically-loaded passage: "Neo-Darwinism seeks to explain the origin of new information, form, and structure as a result of selection acting on randomly arising variation at a very low level within the biological hierarchy, mainly, within the genetic text. Yet the major morphological innovations depend on a specificity of arrangement at a much higher level of the organizational hierarchy, a level that DNA alone does not determine. Yet if DNA is not wholly responsible for body plan morphogenesis, then DNA sequences can mutate indefinitely, without regard to realistic probabilistic limits, and still not produce a new body plan. Thus, the mechanism of natural selection acting on random mutations in DNA cannot in principle generate novel body plans, including those that first arose in the Cambrian explosion."

In simpler terms, the mechanism of natural selection, central to evolutionary theory, cannot possibly account for the development of so many varied and complex life forms simply by mutations in DNA. Rather, some conscious design--thus requiring a Designer--is necessary to explain the emergence of these life forms.

In the remainder of his paper, Meyer attacks the intellectual inadequacies of evolutionary theory and argues for what is now known as the "design Hypothesis." As he argued, "Conscious and rational agents have, as a part of their powers of purposive intelligence, the capacity to design information-rich parts and to organize those parts into functional information-rich systems and hierarchies." As he went on to assert, "We know of no other causal entity or process that has this capacity." In other words, the development of the multitude of higher life forms found on the planet can be explained only by the guidance of a rational agent--a Designer--whose plan is evident in the design.

Meyer's article was enough to cause hysteria in the evolutionists' camp. Knowing that their theory lacks intellectual credibility, the evolutionists respond by raising the volume, offering the equivalent of scientific shrieks and screams whenever their cherished theory is criticized--much less in one of their own cherished journals. As Dr. John West, Associate Director of the Discovery Institute explained, "Instead of addressing the paper's argument or inviting counterarguments or rebuttal, the society has resorted to affirming what amounts to a doctrinal statement in an effort to stifle scientific debate. They're trying to stop scientific discussion before it even starts."

When the Biological Society of Washington issued its embarrassing apology for publishing the paper, the organization pledged that arguments for Intelligent Design "will not be addressed in future issues of the Proceedings," regardless of whether the paper passes peer review.

From the perspective of panicked evolutionists, the Intelligent Design movement represents a formidable adversary and a constant irritant. The defenders of Intelligent Design are undermining evolutionary theory at multiple levels, and they refuse to go away. The panicked evolutionists respond with name-calling, labeling Intelligent Design proponents as "creationists," thereby hoping to prevent any scientific debate before it starts.

Intelligent Design is not tantamount to the biblical doctrine of creation. Theologically, Intelligent Design falls far short of requiring any affirmation of the doctrine of creation as revealed in the Bible. Nevertheless, it is a useful and important intellectual tool, and a scientific movement with great promise. The real significance of Intelligent Design theory and its related movement is the success with which it undermines the materialistic and naturalistic worldview central to the theory of evolution.

For the Christian believer, the Bible presents the compelling and authoritative case for God's creation of the cosmos. Specifically, the Bible provides us with the ultimate truth concerning human origins and the special creation of human beings as the creatures made in God's own image. Thus, though we believe in more than Intelligent Design, we certainly do not believe in less. We should celebrate the confusion and consternation now so evident among the evolutionists. Dr. Stephen Meyer's article--and the controversy it has spawned--has caught evolutionary scientists with their intellectual pants down.

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R. Albert Mohler, Jr


TOPICS: Philosophy
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To: Fester Chugabrew

They don't realize the widespread understanding of what their scam is, and that no amount of arcane blather means that made-up nonsense is evidence.


701 posted on 01/30/2005 6:22:48 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: bvw
So you admit there's nothing "hard science" quite yet about mammal-level species evolution!

I notice that you bear false witness against me, again. How do you resolve this with your Maker? Are you allowed to lie when it fits the agenda?

702 posted on 01/30/2005 6:38:50 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: 185JHP
They don't realize the widespread understanding of what their scam is, and that no amount of arcane blather means that made-up nonsense is evidence.

Way to tell those creationists! BRAVO.

703 posted on 01/30/2005 6:41:37 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: bvw
maybe we all have a bit of Maxwell's Demon in us.

If you are representing the Christian faith, that is an odd thing to say.

Now a bit of Captain [...Morgan's Spiced Rum], or Maxwell House Coffee (the coffee that heats itself?)...

PS Didn't whoever it was who MISquoted "Creationists being put in concentration camps" say at the time that they didn't have the text at hand. I'm willing to bet they were blowing smoke or hadn't ever rousted up the original source to know they were wrong. At least, I hope so. Free Republic ought to have some standards, even on a crevo thread...

Cheers!

704 posted on 01/30/2005 6:45:15 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: WildTurkey
So you admit there's nothing "hard science" quite yet about mammal-level species evolution!

I notice that you bear false witness against me, again. How do you resolve this with your Maker? Are you allowed to lie when it fits the agenda?

You know, there is an odd similarity between the ongoing dispute continued in that post, and your tagline concerning CBS.

Perhaps wishful thinking (i.e. hoping you had conceded more than you really had) plays a part, just as the forged documents did with Dan Rather. You know, the "...there will be no apology, nor should there be" line.

Full Disclosure: You betcha I'm only paraphrasing!

705 posted on 01/30/2005 6:49:06 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: 2AtHomeMom
People will be more forgiving of your errors if you don't start out with so many errors in the first place; once you have established a good rapport and/or reputation people will let you slide once in awhile...i.e., take your word for something that it was only a typo or honest mistake. And this applies to more than just crevo threads.

Again, scientists have trained themselves into certain mental habits and attitudes in order to foster disciplined inquiry: screening out as much BS as possible while trying to remain open to new possibilities.
Yet even 'science' may be hijacked for politics as the current debates over global warming demonstrate.

Cheers!

707 posted on 01/30/2005 6:54:02 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Heartlander
...and I said, “this is all I could find”...

It took me thirty seconds to find the quote in context. It's not like you weren't warned the quote was bogus.

This is not an isolated case. When creationists quote scientists to embarass them, the quotes are invariably taken out of context. Occasionally you will find a popular writer like Dawkins who says outragous things, but when you go after practicing scientists you are more often than not, promoting falsehoods. Count on it. Just stop trying. Short quotes are almost never representative of what a person is arguing, particularly if the snippet seems stupid or outrageous. That should be a clue that something is wrong with the quote.

708 posted on 01/30/2005 7:00:56 PM PST by js1138
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To: grey_whiskers

I notice you ducked the part about having to resolve your lies and false witnesses to your Maker. Does that mean you won't be going to heaven? Oh, I forgot. You can be as evil as you like as long as you accept JC into your heart.


709 posted on 01/30/2005 7:03:02 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: bvw

Wrong scene.


710 posted on 01/30/2005 7:03:29 PM PST by js1138
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To: 2AtHomeMom
You also seem to think that by "nonnegative" I implied "positive"; no, I almost said "positive", but remembered that it could be zero also so said that in one word.

Not "could". By definition it is ZERO, not non-negative.

711 posted on 01/30/2005 7:04:40 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey
I notice you ducked the part about having to resolve your lies and false witnesses to your Maker. Does that mean you won't be going to heaven? Oh, I forgot. You can be as evil as you like as long as you accept JC into your heart.

Wild,
I'm sorry, you must have me confused with someone else on this thread. Please re-check the recent posting history...

Cheers!

Full Disclosure: See how easy it is to get confused about a quote? ;-)

712 posted on 01/30/2005 7:07:41 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: js1138
Yesssssery-bob! Yes brother, we got us a single-minded adherence to a strictly fundamentalism scientific worldview! Gather round the tent and let us hear what the preachers are a’ preachin’:
(Homo sapiens and H. sapiens sapiens?) The sudden injection is necessary, of course, otherwise there would be no distinction upon which to base Catholic morality, which is speciesist to the core. You can kill adult animals for meat, but abortion and euthanasia are murder because human life is involved.

Catholicism's "net" is not limited to moral considerations, if only because Catholic morals have scientific implications. Catholic morality demands the presence of a great gulf between Homo sapiens and the rest of the animal kingdom. Such a gulf is fundamentally anti-evolutionary. The sudden injection of an immortal soul in the timeline is an anti-evolutionary intrusion into the domain of science.

More generally it is completely unrealistic to claim, as Gould and many others do, that religion keeps itself away from science's turf, restricting itself to morals and values. A universe with a supernatural presence would be a fundamentally and qualitatively different kind of universe from one without. The difference is, inescapably, a scientific difference. Religions make existence claims, and this means scientific claims.

The same is true of many of the major doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church. The Virgin Birth, the bodily Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Resurrection of Jesus, the survival of our own souls after death: these are all claims of a clearly scientific nature. Either Jesus had a corporeal father or he didn't. This is not a question of "values" or "morals"; it is a question of sober fact. We may not have the evidence to answer it, but it is a scientific question, nevertheless. You may be sure that, if any evidence supporting the claim were discovered, the Vatican would not be reticent in promoting it.

Either Mary's body decayed when she died, or it was physically removed from this planet to Heaven. The official Roman Catholic doctrine of Assumption, promulgated as recently as 1950, implies that Heaven has a physical location and exists in the domain of physical reality - how else could the physical body of a woman go there? I am not, here, saying that the doctrine of the Assumption of the Virgin is necessarily false (although of course I think it is). I am simply rebutting the claim that it is outside the domain of science. On the contrary, the Assumption of the Virgin is transparently a scientific theory. So is the theory that our souls survive bodily death, and so are all stories of angelic visitations, Marian manifestations, and miracles of all types.

There is something dishonestly self-serving in the tactic of claiming that all religious beliefs are outside the domain of science. On the one hand, miracle stories and the promise of life after death are used to impress simple people, win converts, and swell congregations. It is precisely their scientific power that gives these stories their popular appeal. But at the same time it is considered below the belt to subject the same stories to the ordinary rigors of scientific criticism: these are religious matters and therefore outside the domain of science. But you cannot have it both ways. At least, religious theorists and apologists should not be allowed to get away with having it both ways. Unfortunately all too many of us, including nonreligious people, are unaccountably ready to let them.

I suppose it is gratifying to have the pope as an ally in the struggle against fundamentalist creationism. It is certainly amusing to see the rug pulled out from under the feet of Catholic creationists such as Michael Behe. Even so, given a choice between honest-to-goodness fundamentalism on the one hand, and the obscurantist, disingenuous doublethink of the Roman Catholic Church on the other, I know which I prefer.

Y’all can look up these passages ifn’ ya’ll don’t believe! It’s all right there for students to believe! This ain’t no preacher… He be required readin’!

Well, YEE-HAWWW!!! Y’all, let’s find out what these here fundamentalists are preachin’:

Scientism

Unlike the use of the scientific method as only one mode of reaching knowledge, scientism claims that science alone can render truth about the world and reality. Scientism's single-minded adherence to only the empirical, or testable, makes it a strictly scientifc worldview, in much the same way that a Protestant fundamentalism that rejects science can be seen as a strictly religious worldview. Scientism sees it necessary to do away with most, if not all, metaphysical, philosophical, and religious claims, as the truths they proclaim cannot be apprehended by the scientific method. In essence, scientism sees science as the absolute and only justifiable access to the truth.

713 posted on 01/30/2005 7:10:09 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: bvw
[stop pestering]

Let not reality intrude on the Precious Theory.

Ooh, *another* misleadingly out of context quote of what I was actually saying! Did you not understand what I was saying, or are you just having fun lying about it?

714 posted on 01/30/2005 7:12:33 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: bvw
So you admit there's nothing "hard science" quite yet about mammal-level species evolution! Yet you HOPE that there will be.

Why would he "admit" to such a lie? And why would you put such a lie into his mouth?

The hope is fine -- just know it for what it is -- hope and not reality.

*Another* lie. There is an *enormous* amount of hard science about "mammal-level species evolution". A substantial number of links to some of it has been posted to this very thread already.

Please explain *why* you anti-evolutionists lie like this, and so transparently. I just don't understand it. Are you *TRYING* to discredit religion and conservatism?

715 posted on 01/30/2005 7:16:45 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Heartlander

Are you implying that Dawkins stuff is printed in high school textbooks?

http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/dawkins_18_2.html

This looks like an opinion magazine to me.


716 posted on 01/30/2005 7:17:10 PM PST by js1138
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To: WildTurkey
Wild:

Please re-check post #705.

When I referred to 'wishful thinking' I was referring to your opponent, and that they perhaps believed you were conceding far more than you actually had. I explicitly did not mean to imply that you were the one performing wishful thinking!

Full Disclosure:

31. "Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity." ~ Nick Diamos

quoted on this web page:
Quotes on Stupidity

717 posted on 01/30/2005 7:19:33 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: 185JHP; Fester Chugabrew
They don't realize the widespread understanding of what their scam is, and that no amount of arcane blather means that made-up nonsense is evidence.

Hey, how do *you* guys feel about metacognative's recent slanderous lie? He's on your side, you know, so be careful when you talk about "their scam" and such.

But do feel free to point out which of the material I've posted is actually "made-up nonsense", so I can prove just how much of a liar *you* are. Bring it on -- the more anti-evolutionists I can expose as chronic liars in this thread, the better.

718 posted on 01/30/2005 7:25:07 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: grey_whiskers

Thank you. It's been a long day and I am posting between other activities ...


719 posted on 01/30/2005 7:30:14 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Finny
The Creation account in Genesis has many things which conflict with evolution.

1. Plants created on day 3, Sun created on day 4. If these days represent long periods of time, how could plants live without the Sun?

2. Birds created on 5th day, land animals on 6th. Evolution says birds evolved from land animals.

3. Man created from the dust of the earth in the image of God. Evoluton says he evolved from some lower life form.

This is the plain and rational reading of the Genesis account.

Evolution and the Bible are incompatible.

JM
720 posted on 01/30/2005 7:33:59 PM PST by JohnnyM
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