Origin of homosexuality unresolved despite study

Washington Times ^ | Sunday, November 28, 2004 | By Cheryl Wetzstein

[JohnHuang2]

The Washington Times
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Origin of homosexuality unresolved despite study

By Cheryl Wetzstein
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published November 28, 2004

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Even presidents don't have an answer to questions about the origin of homosexuality.
    And it's no wonder. Science doesn't have a clear answer either.
    During the third presidential debate, moderator and CBS News correspondent Bob Schieffer asked the candidates, "Do you believe homosexuality is a choice?"
    "You know, Bob, I don't know. I just don't know," said President Bush, who then urged tolerance, respect and dignity for homosexuals.
    "We're all God's children," answered Sen. John Kerry, the Democratic presidential nominee. Referring to Mary Cheney, the lesbian daughter of Vice President Dick Cheney, Mr. Kerry said, "She would tell you that she's being... who she was born as. I think if you talk to anybody, it's not choice."
    So what does science say?
    Is homosexuality inborn? Is it caused by outside influences? And, regardless of where it comes from, can it be changed? The answer to all three questions is: yes and no.
    If lawmakers, judges, educators and the public are frustrated by such answers, it's because they've been bombarded all year by supporters and opponents of same-sex "marriage," who have boiled research down to their favorite sound bites.
    "Decades of research all point to the fact that sexual orientation is not a choice and that a person's sexual orientation cannot be changed," say homosexual rights groups such as Human Rights Campaign, which are flanked by the nation's premier medical, mental-health and therapy professional groups.

[RWCon]

Whatever. But the best way to prevent them from picking up
new recruits is to make their lives as difficult as possible. All this BS with marriage and marriage light
simply helps them in their quest for new members.

[scripter]

Look at the long term prison population in custody and when they are released. A choice of behavior regarding homosexual sex.

An excellent observation that defines some homosexuality (behavior).

You guys have made some great posts on this thread and others. It's always a pleasure reading your posts.

[DirtyHarryY2K]

Come now. Do you really believe someone could know something like that?

A recent review (Holmes and Slap, 1998) of the research on the molestation of boys, published in the prestigious Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), showed that adolescent boys who were abused by men were up to 7 times more likely to identify themselves as homosexual or bisexual.

Furthermore, research also provides a strong link between the sexual abuse of a child and that child’s later pedophilia as an adult. At the Connecticut Correctional Institution, for example, clinical psychologist A. Nicholas Groth, director of the sex offender program, said 85% of the pedophiles were themselves sexually assaulted as youths.

This casts certain parts of the homosexual agenda in a more sinister light – such as the drive to lower the legal age of sexual consent and to expunge sodomy laws from the books. It might also cause parents to wonder why homosexual activists are tireless in their efforts to use the courts as a crowbar to pry open the doors of the Boy Scouts to homosexual troop leaders.

Again, it would be unfair to imply that all – or even most – homosexuals are a threat to children. Nevertheless, there are some elements of the homosexual movement which openly endorse pedophilia. And opening the social "doors" to all homosexual groups will allow pedophile groups in as well.

What will research show in ten years? twenty years? Will we discover that we have handed over an entire generation of young people, only to discover that the percentages of homosexuals in this nation has doubled or tripled?

If it is true, as evidence suggests, that children can be recruited into the homosexual lifestyle, what will history say about a generation of adults that swallowed – hook, line and sinker – the lies fabricated by the very ones who abused their children?

TARGETING CHILDREN Part four: Access to children: homosexuality and molestation

[scripter]

Most heterosexuals if they so decided, could eventually become homosexual by the same PROCESS.

As longtermmemmory said in post 55: Look at the long term prison population in custody and when they are released. A choice of behavior regarding homosexual sex.

And we've seen this happen with some married men. They marry, have kids and stay married for years, and then leave everything for a homosexual relationship.

And we've also seen homosexuals live their lifestyle for years and then become a former homosexual, often times marrying somebody of the opposite sex. These are facts that make the pro-homosexual crowd a little uneasy.

They've bought the lie and don't know how to respond to the facts. So somehow we need to present the information in such a way that people can see the truth for what it is.

[ExtremeUnction]

If it is born (which it's not)..

Your sources, please? I don't ask this question out of irreverence. I just think that many people, scientists, fathers (like Vice-President Cheney) are desperately seeking the answer to this age-old question. If your response is based soley on your religious beliefs, I will respect that. But there are many of us who want the scientific perspective as well.

[endthematrix]

They don't call it "lifestyle" for nothing. If Homosexuality is born can you deny it? If someone becomes gay after being a former Heterosexual, because of a loss of self through confusion, drugs, experimentation, etc and then chose to return to being Heterosexual, what does that say to the condition being genetic? I say it isn't based on that logic. It may be both. There is (at least I learned this)cases that Homosexuality has been seen in chimpanzees. But I have seen people "choose" to be gay.

[scripter]

I just think that many people... are desperately seeking the answer to this age-old question.

You might find the links at the end of my profile helpful. Or just click here.

I can summarize the information for you - the answer is: "It's complicated." Science tells us the major factor behind homosexuality is environment. If you're really interested in reading what objective science tells us on the subject, this 1995 article is an excellent summary of how it all happens:

How Might Homosexuality Develop? Putting the Pieces Together

There are tens of thousands of former homosexuals and that number continues to grow. Also, bisexuals are a problem for those who seek to find a genetic cause.

If you really want an education on the subject, read the links in my profile.

[endthematrix]

"Science tells us the major factor behind homosexuality is environment."

You have plenty of info! Thanks. You then know about that sick bastard Dr. Money?

[Shethink13]

Studies have shown that artificially 'feminizing' the hypothalamus makes male animals exibit female sexual behaviors.

What are "female sexual behaviors" and how do they differ from "male sexual behaviors".

Also, why are none of these studies done on women?

[scripter]

You then know about that sick bastard Dr. Money?

I can't recall ever hearing or reading about that name...

[fire_eye]

It's not an issue of morality.

There's no question that homosexual sex is a perversion of that for which our bodies were designed. That's obvious right on the face of it. (Whether or not it's immoral, falls into a different sphere of determination.)

Given that it is unnatural, the next question (stay with me here...) is whether or not it's voluntary, or biologically determined. (There are no other options of which I am acquainted, other than perhaps occult ones.)

If it is voluntary, then the person committing the acts is wholly responsible for the acts, in the final analysis. But if it is biologically determined, then they are - watch carefully - "Diseased", or "Genetically Defective", or... pick your terms.

Upon the horns of that dilemma, the "Gay Community" is impaled. If they admit that their behavior is voluntary, they lose all credibility with respect to being a "victim" group, because it is by *choice* that they have become "victims". But if they admit that they are biologically "wired" for homosexuality, they admit to being defective and become a "medical problem", which renders them something less than human, more an object of pity (or a subject for potential "cures").

I'm happy to hear that the research into a possible biological origin is continuing. I love dilemmas like this - it forces humanity to show its best... and its worst.

The comment someone made about "imprinting" is interesting. I'm convinced that people's sexual attractions generally are determined by early imprinting - perhaps not so much in whether they become heterosexual or homosexual, but in what they want their partners to look like. It's commonly accepted that men (to the extent that they have any preferences at all) are attracted to women who look like their mother did at an early age... that would fit with my theory, at least. I can hardly wait for the scientific evidence of imprinting having caused biological changes which can determine sexual orientation of some sort... that should muddy the waters very nicely.

[endthematrix]

In the 1950s Dr Money developed a theory that revolutionised our understanding of gender. Money believed that what he called our 'gender identity' - what makes us think, feel and behave as boys or girls - is not fully formed by the time of birth.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2000/boyturnedgirl.shtml


(oh it gets worse...)

[endthematrix]

Right on.

Homosexual at birth means "rights" and a grab at the welfare state. And both camps know this.

[cherry]

that was very interesting but I have one question.......how does any of that research explain away the variations of homosexual men?

afterall, there are homosexual men who are very bossy,dominant, hard-wired, etc....

then there are homosexuals who are very effeminate , and are more like gentle-minded women.....

and then there is the female side of homosexuality that is almost as complex.....

[scripter]

That is a very disturbing article. lj and ER, you might want to read this, then again, maybe not: The Boy who was Turned into a Girl.

I've read thousands of articles on the subject but never this one, at least not that I can recall. I mentioned it to my wife who was familiar with it - she said the boy committed suicide fairly recently.

Do you have any updated articles other than the above 2000 article?

[endthematrix]

Yes. There is some on FR. Recently this year David Reimer blew his brains out w/ ashotgun over this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/12/international/americas/12REIM.html?ex=1101877200&en=3a43ec255d1ecdfb&ei=5070

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/reimer/

[scripter]

Thanks. I'll put the articles in the database for reference.