Posted on 11/16/2004 2:42:43 PM PST by dinok
A statewide recount of the presidential vote appears inevitable after a pair of third-party candidates said they have collected enough money to pay for it.
The recount would be conducted after the election results are certified in early December.
Libertarian Michael Badnarik and the Green Party's David Cobb said on Monday they raised more than $150,000 in four days, mostly in small contributions.
Ohio law requires payment of $10 per precinct for a recount, or $113,600 statewide.
Badnarik and Cobb said they aren't trying to overturn President Bush's 136,000-vote victory in Ohio, but just want to ensure that all votes were counted properly in the face of concerns about Election Day irregularities.
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Sandusky Co's 56% for Bush is up 2% from 2000, essentially typical for the smaller counties in Ohio. Therefore, every indication is that, if there was a double count, it was probably a "non-biased" one. If both sides go down 10 percent, then Bush loses about 390 votes from his lead. This is exactly what these county boards are supposed to be doing right now...comparing votes counted to votes cast. BTW, the website I saw said that the county elections director was a DEM, the assistant was REPUB. You know, people make mistakes, and this doesn't look very much like a plot on either side.
What I haven't seen on here is that two counties have actually posted their official results (post overseas and post provisionals). There are a couple of interesting points about the data:
The total increase in votes is slightly larger than the number of provisionals, so the absentees are basically filling in for the disqualified provisionals. These were both smaller counties which have been having higher provisional qualification rates.
Secondly, Guess What! Bush carried the additonal votes in both counties. Gee, Republicans vote by provisional also (something some people have a hard time understanding). No Kerry 80 percent margin. However, Bush is running about 4.5% behind his voting day total in the provsionals. This is very consistent with what we've seen across the country. So, say Kerry gets a net gain of seven percent (that's what this would work out to) of, say 175,000 total valid provisional ballots plus valid overseas ballots. That works out to be 12,250. If you subtract 390 for the Sandusky error (if there really is an error), you get Bush's margin at 132,600 - 12,250 - 390 = 119,960. You can only get Bush losing 1,000 votes in Sandusky if you believe that, absent the error, Bush's margin did not increase over 2000. In any event, we can spin theories all we want, but the facts are that Kerry is not getting anywhere close to 80 percent of 100% qualified provisional ballots.
"...You're right. It is simply insane to assume all 93,000 spoiled ballots will go to Kerry."
It is simply insane to assume that all 93,000 spoiled ballots will go to anyone. They are spoiled for a reason. A very low % will result in an actual vote.
Sorry man, i hate to say it but your wrong again.
Ohio Law:
Any losing nominee or candidate in a primary, general, or special election can request a recount. Also, a group of five or more voters can request a recount on a question or issue. The recount process begins by filing a written application with the Board of Elections of each county in which votes are to be recounted. R.C. 3515.01. The application must be filed within five days after the results were declared. R.C. 3515.02. The application must also list each precinct within the county where votes are to be recounted, and for each precinct a $10 deposit must be paid. R.C. 3515.03.
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The recount request must be filed within 5 days after the results are declared (certified).
Absolutely right. Why would anyone assume that the spoiled ballots will become "unspoiled"? Some of them will, I'm sure, but most of them won't.
Right .. they have to "Fan" the ballots and everytime they do that they dislodge more chads. So some votes will change.
Well, sure.. i.e. if Ohio's slate becomes "tainted" or challenged or whatever, then Bush is at 266 rather than 286, and is deprived of a majority.
But there's no "turmoil" in that, it just throws it into the House, which is (R) controlled. I don't see any conceivable way that this scenario would alter the outcome.
It's not a hand recount. They recheck their numbers. That's what they do before they certify.
I disagree. If there spoiled ballots, they will not count.
Last time I checked "fanning" was not allowed.. :0)
Here's another new set of returns: Brown County:
Before
Bush 12,480
Kerry 7058
Provisionals listed 326
Provisionals + absentees added 249
After
Bush 12,647
Kerry 7,140
NO 100 % qualification
NO 80 percent Kerry margin
This won't happen because there would be a real civil war.
But if the votes are certified then it's moot.
Read the article...they only pay a filing fee and some costs, about $113,000...the total costs, at least according to the article will be $1.5 million to the taxpayers of Ohio
That's what I thought it was. So this is much about nothing?
Michigan? HOw about Pennsylvania? Kerry didn't win by much in PA, which is why the media called it for Kerry early on... if these so called Greenies REALLY wanted all votes to count, they'd look into Pennsylvania's vote..especially Philly where there were more ballots cast than people of voting age!
But then, they REALLY don't want that do they...
Problems with the Detroit count. (Counters didn't care who saw them commit fraud)
http://www.nationalreview.com/battleground/battleground.asp
No.. when SOS certifies the votes, thats it.. Unless there isa recount. The recount is to challenge that certification. Everything will be recounted.. after that it will be recertified.
I bet they got plenty of Dem donations.
Maybe Bush's vote total will increase!
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