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Gutknecht pushing national sales tax
Pioneer Press ^ | 11-15-04 | ap

Posted on 11/15/2004 7:00:17 AM PST by Rakkasan1

MINNEAPOLIS - Rep. Gil Gutknecht is pushing legislation that would replace the federal income tax with a national sales tax.

"Think of a world where there is no income tax, where you get to keep everything you earn and you pay the tax man when you buy stuff," Gutknecht, R-Minn., told the Star Tribune of Minneapolis.

(Excerpt) Read more at twincities.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fair; fairtax; gutknecht; nrst; tax; taxreform
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To: Maceman
Wouldn't you think the repeal would not be necessary if it's proven it was illegal in the first place. This amendment was never ratified by the correct number of states---only by 3 states?
41 posted on 11/15/2004 7:54:28 AM PST by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: agitator
"Worse yet, there will be an IRS agent sitting next to every cash register."

Hardly.

"I have yet to see the NRST people address exactly who is supposed to collect that sales tax."

Uh, the merchants doing the selling??? Who would then forward the appropriate percentages to the Feds just as they currently do for State and City sales taxes.

Why is this supposed to be some kind of "rocket science" issue arguing against the NRST??

42 posted on 11/15/2004 7:56:40 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: HawaiianGecko

LOL! That would do it! Everybody goes on a cash basis system. Let's have the "BLUE" money be for the old-system, already-taxed money, and the "RED" money be for the new-system money. That way we can perpetuate the red-blue divide in America and ensure that the RED wins out in the end!


43 posted on 11/15/2004 7:57:05 AM PST by rightwingreligiousfanatic (Celebrate Unity! One Nation Under God.)
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To: Rakkasan1
Just curious...

At present, only the interest we pay on home mortgages is tax deductible, and that at the end of the year.

How does the national retail sales tax plan apply in this area?

Will any tax on the home purchase be done away with altogether? Also, will the purchase of a new car be paid at purchase?

This is a lot of money.
44 posted on 11/15/2004 7:58:59 AM PST by Preachin' (Where is Murrymom?)
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To: agitator
"Um.... don't hold your breath. You think all of those IRS agents are just going to clean out their desks and go get an honest job without a fight?"

No need. Put them to work for the Fedgovs various auditing departments finding all the lost money that the Feds can't keep track of (billions upon billions of dollars), then eliminate the positions as they age and retire.

45 posted on 11/15/2004 7:59:53 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: HawaiianGecko

Who said the goal was to benefit "wealthy people?"

Everyone that I have seen who speaks against it. I didn't write down their names. They all say it will unjustly place the burden on poor people that spend 100% of their earning and will therefore be taxed on 100% of their earnings. Of course the vast majority of people spend their entire wad every month, so maybe their definition of "poor people" is not an economic one.


46 posted on 11/15/2004 8:00:20 AM PST by HawaiianGecko (You meet the same people on the way down as you do on the way up)
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To: Rakkasan1; HawaiianGecko; All
fyi... another recently posted thread about this subject: Here
47 posted on 11/15/2004 8:01:48 AM PST by rightwingreligiousfanatic (Celebrate Unity! One Nation Under God.)
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To: agitator
Worse yet, there will be an IRS agent sitting next to every cash register.


I'd rather that than have an IRS agent next to every worker, every entrepreneur, and every soul engaging in an effort to sustain their own life by productive activity.

Retailers in most states already need to pay sales taxes, and they already hire consultants and experts to comply with law.
48 posted on 11/15/2004 8:02:18 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Maceman

There is no law on the books that would prohibit a NRST on top of an income tax now. However, once the FairTax is the law of the land, taxation of income, estates and gifts will be prohibited.

No congress in their right mind, would totally abolish the income tax system without a successful, proven, revenue generator in place. Once the success of the FairTax is realized...taxing "income" will be irrelevant and repeal of the 16th Amendment would fly through the states for ratification. Repealing the 16th will be easier, not harder since the amendment no longer has any real meaning - it is an anachronism.


49 posted on 11/15/2004 8:08:37 AM PST by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the Piece: Hope IS on the way...)
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To: HawaiianGecko

I love your solution, an example of that old acronym, KISS. (I'm not calling you stupid.)


50 posted on 11/15/2004 8:10:23 AM PST by mouske (Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it himself.)
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To: Preachin'

The FairTax has positive effects on residential real estate far beyond this narrow question.
Today’s homeowners, if they itemize (and 70% do not), pay their interest with post-Social Security/pre-income tax dollars. They then pay their principal with post-SS/post-income tax dollars. Those who do not itemize get no advantages at all. Under the FairTax, all homeowners make their entire house payment with pre-tax dollars.
With the FairTax, mortgage interest rates fall by about 25 percent (about 1.75 points) as bank overhead falls; this is a huge savings for consumers. For example, on a $150,000, thirty-year home mortgage at an interest rate of 7.00 percent, the monthly mortgage payment would be $999.12. On that same mortgage at a 5.25 percent interest rate, the monthly payment would be $830.01. Over 30 years, the 1.75-percent decrease in interest rates in this instance would result in a $60,879 cost savings to the consumer.
Finally, first-time buyers save for that down payment much faster, as savings are not taxed.
Under the FairTax, home ownership is a possibility for many who have never had that option under the income tax system. Lower interest rates, the repeal of the income tax, the repeal of all payroll taxes, and the rebate mean that people have more money to spend, and have an increased opportunity to become home owners.


51 posted on 11/15/2004 8:22:37 AM PST by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the Piece: Hope IS on the way...)
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To: mouske

(I'm not calling you stupid.)

LOL, you would only have been truthful if you had.


52 posted on 11/15/2004 8:25:06 AM PST by HawaiianGecko (You meet the same people on the way down as you do on the way up)
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic

thanks for that.email blast of letters to the editor going to the papers...


53 posted on 11/15/2004 8:50:01 AM PST by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the Piece: Hope IS on the way...)
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To: HawaiianGecko

"A national sales tax will NOT benefit wealthy people in any way shape or form."

this isn't supposed to be the basis for tax law anyway.(to benefit the rich or the poor)
It should be neutral and fair, hence the name.







54 posted on 11/15/2004 9:19:03 AM PST by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the Piece: Hope IS on the way...)
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To: agitator
Worse yet, there will be an IRS agent sitting next to every cash register. I have yet to see the NRST people address exactly who is supposed to collect that sales tax.

Try going over to fairtax.org and reading ALL of the material. Come on, is there a state tax agent sitting right next to cash registers? No, and there will be no need for it to happen when the Fair Tax is enacted.

The people who will collect the National tax will be retailers. They'll do exactly the same things they do now for state, county, and local sales tax. The one exception is that they get to keep 1/2 of a percent of the tax collected to cover their admin costs. That's a lot better than being under the gun from the state with nothing in return except that you get to keep your business license and stay out of jail or keep breathing.

55 posted on 11/15/2004 9:27:35 AM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: All
Dear Nay Sayers All,

What part of the government NOT forcing you at the point of a gun to give up a part of your life do you all not get? This is a very simple matter, and if you would actually READ the materials at fairtax.org and fairtaxvolunteer.org you would get this this is as sound a plan as they come. All the bases have been covered. Even the Founding Fathers understood that voluntary taxation was the best way to go. Compulsory taxes are inherently evil and should be treated as such.

56 posted on 11/15/2004 9:38:12 AM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: Rakkasan1
You are forgetting that the buyer has to pay sales tax on the home and sales tax on the interest (it's a taxable service) above the federal longterm rate (currently 2.15%). That $150,000 home ends up costing $180,000 with tax (which would be financed) and with part of the payment on principal going to sales tax on the interest the total cost of the home $412,000 costing the buyer $52,000 more than it would otherwise. ~$64,000 of that is sales tax on the house (I didn't include the land, it assumed to be used) and on the interest.
57 posted on 11/15/2004 10:00:40 AM PST by Your Nightmare
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To: Taxman; Principled; Bigun; EternalVigilance; kevkrom; n-tres-ted; Poohbah; CliffC; ...

Gutknecht, a member of the House Budget Committee, said he's "moved from a lukewarm fan to a fanatic" supporter of a national sales tax.

Strange how learning about the Fair Tax Act H.R.25 can do that to a person ;O)

 

A Taxreform bump for you all.

If you would like to be added to this ping list let me know.

John Linder in the House & Saxby Chambliss Senate, offer a comprehensive bill to kill all income and payroll taxes outright, and provide a IRS free replacement in the form of a retail sales tax:

H.R.25, S.1493
A bill to promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national retail sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.

Refer for additional information: http://www.fairtax.org, http://www.salestax.org & http://www.geocities.com/cmcofer/ftax.html


58 posted on 11/15/2004 10:03:31 AM PST by ancient_geezer
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To: 2Jedismom

Gutknecht's Market was bought this past summer and is up and running again. Praise God, they have the best meats around!


59 posted on 11/15/2004 10:11:59 AM PST by Ladysmith (November 2, 2004: Taking America BACK!!!)
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To: ancient_geezer

He's in the district next to me and relies on my good FRiends muy mucho...we MUST, if we are to be a FREE and PROSPEROUS NATION - remove the repugnant, traitorous, mafia-like unlawful IRS/IRC tyranny from America!

The Fair Tax picked up Fortenberry in Nebraska as well!!

Did you ever get a list of how Fair Taxers did on Nov. 2nd?


60 posted on 11/15/2004 10:13:19 AM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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