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PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
A 2004 pro-life thread brought back to life | 11-13-04 | Vicomte13

Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org

PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

We believe that abortion is infanticide, and that a holocaust of infants is taking place. We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import. And therefore, there is no policy or combination of policies you Republicans can offer, including perfect tax policies, tort reform, and every other thing that is near and dear to Republican hearts, that matters a damn if abortion is overlooked and allowed to slide by.

We know that this issue has to be settled in the Supreme Court, nowhere else. And we know that the opportunity to put new justices on the court comes once in a decade, maybe, and that the current opportunity to alter the complexion of the court is not going to come again for a generation. Therefore, the real possibility exists that abortion can finally be seriously curtailed, soon, by the Supreme Court changing Roe v. Wade or eliminating it...IF, and ONLY IF, we can get pro-life judges on that court.

To do that, we have trusted the Republicans for years. We just came out and voted for you again this time, in unprecedented numbers, because we are not stupid and we know what is at stake. Not just evangelicals either. The religious CATHOLIC vote went Republican in 2004, and they didn't do it because of trade policy or even gay marriage. Their issue is abortion.

And the overriding issue is abortion.

So, if the Republicans allow Senator Specter to get the Chair of the Judiciary Committee and he blocks pro-life nominees, or if the Republicans do not use the nuclear option to override Democrat filibusters of pro-life nominees, THIS TIME there is no place for Republicans to hide. WE KNOW that you have the power, now, because WE just voted to give it to you. We understand that you can block Specter. And we understand the nuclear option.

And therefore, we most certainly will understand that if you allow the pro-life judges to be blocked, that it will be your political CHOICE to have done so. You CAN put pro-life judges on the bench, if you expend a lot of political capital. This will offend some people - a lot of people. And that is the price you HAVE to pay to get our votes next time. You have to be willing to bet the whole house to end infanticide.

If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work. We'll just stay home, just like we did in 2000. Except that in 2000 it was out of frustration and neglect, and the lack of belief that anything will change. There was no organized campaign to keep the pro-life vote home in 2000.

This time, it's different. We understand the system, and we know that you have the power. And we demand that you use the power straight down the line to fill the high court and the appellate courts with judges who will protect the lives of babies. Period. This is not negotiable. At all. This is why we voted for you. You have nothing with which to bargain with us, and if you screw us, we will stay organized and we will stay home purposely to destroy the Republican party. Because if you do not protect the babies when you have the power to do it, you are no better than the Democrats...and worse, you will have lied to us.

This means, in effect, that all of those things YOU care most about: taxation, immigration, trade and business policy, deregulation - all of those core issues that come as an economic package, are held hostage to our issue: babies. If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in.

This is called "Chicken". It is called a "Mexican Standoff". And since we are fired up by the certitude that we are doing God's work in defending babies, we cannot be bought, and you cannot win so much as an election for dog catcher in this country without us.

Therefore, the solution is simple and obvious: give us what we voted for you to do. Give us pro-life judges. Use all of your power to do it. Sweep Specter out of the way: is he worth losing all the rest of your agenda? - because we really will stay home and throw the country to the Democrats if you're no better than they are on abortion, just to punish YOU for having betrayed us. When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here. And with our votes, militantly mobilized because we are winning, alongside of yours, in 2006 and 2008 and beyond, even if the Senate is poisoned, you will be able to replace it with a more Republican one.

That there is even a debate going on as to what to do with Specter is alarming, but we have had our hearts broken before, so we'll sit and pray and trust President Bush and Senator Frist and the Republicans to do the right thing.

Screw us, though, and we will turn on you and your whole agenda will go down the drain with the blood of the babies you wouldn't put your power on the line to save.

The easy solution, the win-win solution, is to BE as pro-life as you campaigned as being. Just do it.

I apologize for the length of this post. But it needed to be said. The Republicans do not seem to get it. They need to understand that we are more committed to saving babies than we are to the fortunes of the Republican Party. That Specter is still in play demonstrates that too many of them do not take this seriously.

Rather than test us, what you guys should do is simply cave, now, and give us what we want. Do that, and you wont hear from us again - there will be no creeping theocracy in America - because this is about the only religious issue that Catholics and Orthodox and Evangelicals AGREE on.


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1 posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org
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To: Vicomte13
Special Delivery PING, Vicomte13!

Outstanding Job! It needed to be said, and the pols in DC need to hear it and internalize it.
2 posted on 11/13/2004 6:07:12 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of The Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: MHGinTN; Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; ...
MUST READ!!!!!

Please let me know if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

3 posted on 11/13/2004 6:08:34 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of The Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: Always Right

PING PING PING


4 posted on 11/13/2004 6:09:05 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of The Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: cpforlife.org

bump


5 posted on 11/13/2004 6:09:25 AM PST by blackeagle
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To: cpforlife.org
>We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import.

With all respect, and in full agreement with your position on abortion, I would remind you that if we do not will the war against radical Islam, abortion will cease to be an issue for Christians, because all the Christians will be dead.

Abortion is a critically important issue. Survival of us as a people and US as a country is more important, right now!
6 posted on 11/13/2004 6:19:44 AM PST by MindBender26 (Al Queda, Taliban, Dan Rather, Jessie Jackson, Osama Bin Laden: Same slime, different uniforms.)
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To: cpforlife.org

Couldn't have said it better, however I fear it will fall on deaf ears. The longer this holocaust goes on people will begin to realize there is no political solution.


7 posted on 11/13/2004 6:23:03 AM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
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To: cpforlife.org
Crazy people. Only issue my rear end.
8 posted on 11/13/2004 6:25:18 AM PST by motife
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To: cpforlife.org
Please put me on your list...this is awesome. I have been reading some of your material. I homeschool my boys and would love to put this in their curriculum.

May God Bless You
9 posted on 11/13/2004 6:32:34 AM PST by PaulaB (Let us always look to you Lord)
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To: MindBender26
Abortion is a critically important issue. Survival of us as a people and US as a country is more important, right now!

Agree 100%.

10 posted on 11/13/2004 6:33:20 AM PST by Elkiejg (The Democratic Party is no longer the party of H.S. Truman & Zell Miller - their loss.)
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To: motife

In another thread I guessed at this reality and now it's been confirmed.

For many pro-lifers, we could have a safe, secure society, with a flat tax, reformed tax code, the end of over-regulation, thriving business, a resolution to Social Security and Medicare that not only works but maximizes freedom and choice, we could end the hold of public schools on education, etc etc but if we had abortion, even in the first trimester, the pro-lifers would rather go with the status quo plus an abortion ban.

What a bunch of nutjobs.


11 posted on 11/13/2004 6:34:41 AM PST by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: MindBender26
If we didn't slaughter our children every day , maybe we wouldn't have this terrorists problem. God cannot continue to bless a nation that kills it's own. History teaches us that no civilization has survived it.

Just a thought..I'm not disagreeing with you.
12 posted on 11/13/2004 6:36:17 AM PST by PaulaB (Let us always look to you Lord)
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To: motife
"Crazy people. Only issue my rear end."

This is the reason it will fall on deaf ears - people simply don't comprehend 45 MILLION + DEAD , they are too concerned with their own pocketbook. We surpassed the totals of the Nazi death camps years ago, we are now closing in on Stalin's Soviet gulags, history will place us in the same category and justly so. Perhaps when it is their child or grandchild in the abortuarty dumpster they will care, til then self-interest rules the day.

13 posted on 11/13/2004 6:36:28 AM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
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To: MindBender26

Me: >We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import.

You: With all respect, and in full agreement with your position on abortion, I would remind you that if we do not will the war against radical Islam, abortion will cease to be an issue for Christians, because all the Christians will be dead.
Abortion is a critically important issue. Survival of us as a people and US as a country is more important, right now!

My Response: With all due respect, no.
"What does it profit a man to gain the whole world if he loses his soul?"

The US has to win the War on Terror, there is no doubt about that. Otherwise, a lot of innocent people will die. But 44 million Americans have already died in the Holocaust of Infants. If the Democrats had won and beat a retreat from the Middle East, and exposed us to more terrorist attacks, it would take 15,000 September 11ths to catch up with the death toll of the American Holocaust of Infants.
It would take 400 Hiroshimas to equal the death toll of the American Holocaust of Infants.
It would take 3 Nazi Holocausts, or 13 Auschwitzes, to equal the death toll of the American Holocaust of Infants.

Winning the War on Terror is of enormous importance.
Ending the American Holocaust of Infants is an even greater moral imperative.

Of course, these two necessary ends need not compete.
The Republican Party can lead us to victory in both.
But to win the War on Terror, they have to stay in power in America, and to stay in power in America, they have to use their judicial nominations to put pro-choice judges in the high courts, like they promised us.

The War on Terror will only be in jeopardy of being lost if the Republicans lose control of the American government.
The Republicans are only in danger of losing control of the American government if the pro-life religious vote stays home in the next elections, and the pro-life vote will only stay home if it has been betrayed by the Republicans on the issue of judges.

Therefore, if one is worried about the War on Terror, and believes that the Republicans need to stay in command in order to win it, as I am and do, then one must redouble one's efforts to make sure that the Republicans sweep aside Specter NOW, and that they either change the Senate rules or use the nuclear option to put through the pro-life judges nominated by the President, soon.

The War on Terror is not a negotiating chip on abortion. There is no issue more morally important than abortion.

Therefore, instead of trying to maneuver and find a bargaining chip when there is absolutely none, including the War, the Republicans need to just cave. Stop resisting and cave. Get Specter out of there, and then there will be no danger of loss of any of the rest of the agenda, including the War on Terror.

That's the way it is, and nothing is going to change it.


14 posted on 11/13/2004 6:39:40 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Auta i Lome!)
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To: kjvail

No offense, but abortion is not the same as gulags, extermination camps, et al.

The other thing is, it seems like many pro-lifers are so maniacal about this one issue that they'd accept a rule by Communists, so long as the Commies banned abortion, rather than a free state where we convince more and more people to forego abortion and limit it to only the early stage of the pregnancy.


15 posted on 11/13/2004 6:40:03 AM PST by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: GeneralHavoc
GRASSROOTSPA CALL TO ACTION

STOP SPECTER FROM BLOCKING BUSH'S JUDGES

Contact Senator Frist 202-224-3135

Contact Senator Santorum 202-224-6324

Tell them in no uncertain terms that Specter cannot be made Senate Judiciary Chairman

Do NOT take "no" for an answer!

Bush has no Mandate?

Just say "NO" To Specter's Games!

Senate Judiciary Committee GOP Members

Contact Senator Orrin Hatch 202-224-5251

Contact Senator Charles Grassley 202-224-3744

Contact Senator Jon Kyl 202-224-4521

Contact Senator Mike DeWine 202-224-2315

Contact Senator Jeff Sessions 202-224-4124

Contact Senator Lindsey Graham -202-224-5972

Contact Senator Larry Craig 202-224-2752

Contact Senator Saxby Chambliss 202-224-3521

Contact Senator John Cornyn 202-224-2934

16 posted on 11/13/2004 6:40:19 AM PST by smokeyb
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To: PaulaB
Thanks Paula!

For the record Freeper Vicomte13 wrote this thread.

BTW, the Pro-Life curriculum at CHRISTIAN PATRIOTS FOR LIFE is nearing completion and I'll let all of Freeperville know when it's up. Welcome to the Pro-Life Ping List!

Also, please take time to visit my websites:

CHRISTIAN PATRIOTS FOR LIFE at:
http://www.CpForLife.org’

NATIONAL AMERICAN HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL at:
http://www.CpForLife.org/Memorial

Knights For Life at
http://www.KnightsForLife.org

Thanks,

Kevin

17 posted on 11/13/2004 6:41:48 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of The Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: Vicomte13

Brazil does not permit abortion, yet there are over a million a year there.

Would you really trade dictatorship for a ban on abortions and the sad fact of underground abortion mills?

Abortion is NOT the gulags, nor will it ever be to most sane people, no matter how abhorrent we find the practice.

This is why a few pro-life people really are not conservatives except on that issue. That you'd betray the principles of the party for ONE issue(ANY issue) says a lot, I think.


18 posted on 11/13/2004 6:42:46 AM PST by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: Skywalk

Dear Skywalk,

I'd rather live in a poor society with many flaws in its political and economic systems, but that did not permit the slaughter of its young, than in the most otherwise-perfected and rich society that found acceptable the killing of over 1 million innocents per year.

Low tax rates and cheap capital seems like a poor return in exchange for the lives of small, defenseless, innocent human beings.


sitetest


19 posted on 11/13/2004 6:49:46 AM PST by sitetest (Why would we wish to trade our birthright for this thin gruel?)
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To: Skywalk
"No offense, but abortion is not the same as gulags, extermination camps, et al.

The other thing is, it seems like many pro-lifers are so maniacal about this one issue that they'd accept a rule by Communists, so long as the Commies banned abortion, rather than a free state where we convince more and more people to forego abortion and limit it to only the early stage of the pregnancy. "

What exactly makes it different? Do you think the 45 million murdered children are free? What difference does tax policy, trade policy, healthcare or any other issue make to them or to their families?

Abortion is a black stain on the soul of the world.

20 posted on 11/13/2004 6:49:55 AM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
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