Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org
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Couldn't have said it better, however I fear it will fall on deaf ears. The longer this holocaust goes on people will begin to realize there is no political solution.
Agree 100%.
In another thread I guessed at this reality and now it's been confirmed.
For many pro-lifers, we could have a safe, secure society, with a flat tax, reformed tax code, the end of over-regulation, thriving business, a resolution to Social Security and Medicare that not only works but maximizes freedom and choice, we could end the hold of public schools on education, etc etc but if we had abortion, even in the first trimester, the pro-lifers would rather go with the status quo plus an abortion ban.
What a bunch of nutjobs.
This is the reason it will fall on deaf ears - people simply don't comprehend 45 MILLION + DEAD , they are too concerned with their own pocketbook. We surpassed the totals of the Nazi death camps years ago, we are now closing in on Stalin's Soviet gulags, history will place us in the same category and justly so. Perhaps when it is their child or grandchild in the abortuarty dumpster they will care, til then self-interest rules the day.
Me: >We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import.
You: With all respect, and in full agreement with your position on abortion, I would remind you that if we do not will the war against radical Islam, abortion will cease to be an issue for Christians, because all the Christians will be dead.
Abortion is a critically important issue. Survival of us as a people and US as a country is more important, right now!
My Response: With all due respect, no.
"What does it profit a man to gain the whole world if he loses his soul?"
The US has to win the War on Terror, there is no doubt about that. Otherwise, a lot of innocent people will die. But 44 million Americans have already died in the Holocaust of Infants. If the Democrats had won and beat a retreat from the Middle East, and exposed us to more terrorist attacks, it would take 15,000 September 11ths to catch up with the death toll of the American Holocaust of Infants.
It would take 400 Hiroshimas to equal the death toll of the American Holocaust of Infants.
It would take 3 Nazi Holocausts, or 13 Auschwitzes, to equal the death toll of the American Holocaust of Infants.
Winning the War on Terror is of enormous importance.
Ending the American Holocaust of Infants is an even greater moral imperative.
Of course, these two necessary ends need not compete.
The Republican Party can lead us to victory in both.
But to win the War on Terror, they have to stay in power in America, and to stay in power in America, they have to use their judicial nominations to put pro-choice judges in the high courts, like they promised us.
The War on Terror will only be in jeopardy of being lost if the Republicans lose control of the American government.
The Republicans are only in danger of losing control of the American government if the pro-life religious vote stays home in the next elections, and the pro-life vote will only stay home if it has been betrayed by the Republicans on the issue of judges.
Therefore, if one is worried about the War on Terror, and believes that the Republicans need to stay in command in order to win it, as I am and do, then one must redouble one's efforts to make sure that the Republicans sweep aside Specter NOW, and that they either change the Senate rules or use the nuclear option to put through the pro-life judges nominated by the President, soon.
The War on Terror is not a negotiating chip on abortion. There is no issue more morally important than abortion.
Therefore, instead of trying to maneuver and find a bargaining chip when there is absolutely none, including the War, the Republicans need to just cave. Stop resisting and cave. Get Specter out of there, and then there will be no danger of loss of any of the rest of the agenda, including the War on Terror.
That's the way it is, and nothing is going to change it.
No offense, but abortion is not the same as gulags, extermination camps, et al.
The other thing is, it seems like many pro-lifers are so maniacal about this one issue that they'd accept a rule by Communists, so long as the Commies banned abortion, rather than a free state where we convince more and more people to forego abortion and limit it to only the early stage of the pregnancy.
STOP SPECTER FROM BLOCKING BUSH'S JUDGES
Contact Senator Frist 202-224-3135
Contact Senator Santorum 202-224-6324
Tell them in no uncertain terms that Specter cannot be made Senate Judiciary Chairman
Do NOT take "no" for an answer!
Bush has no Mandate?
Just say "NO" To Specter's Games!
Senate Judiciary Committee GOP Members
Contact Senator Orrin Hatch 202-224-5251
Contact Senator Charles Grassley 202-224-3744
Contact Senator Jon Kyl 202-224-4521
Contact Senator Mike DeWine 202-224-2315
Contact Senator Jeff Sessions 202-224-4124
Contact Senator Lindsey Graham -202-224-5972
Contact Senator Larry Craig 202-224-2752
Contact Senator Saxby Chambliss 202-224-3521
Contact Senator John Cornyn 202-224-2934
For the record Freeper Vicomte13 wrote this thread.
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Knights For Life at
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Thanks,
Kevin
Brazil does not permit abortion, yet there are over a million a year there.
Would you really trade dictatorship for a ban on abortions and the sad fact of underground abortion mills?
Abortion is NOT the gulags, nor will it ever be to most sane people, no matter how abhorrent we find the practice.
This is why a few pro-life people really are not conservatives except on that issue. That you'd betray the principles of the party for ONE issue(ANY issue) says a lot, I think.
Dear Skywalk,
I'd rather live in a poor society with many flaws in its political and economic systems, but that did not permit the slaughter of its young, than in the most otherwise-perfected and rich society that found acceptable the killing of over 1 million innocents per year.
Low tax rates and cheap capital seems like a poor return in exchange for the lives of small, defenseless, innocent human beings.
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The other thing is, it seems like many pro-lifers are so maniacal about this one issue that they'd accept a rule by Communists, so long as the Commies banned abortion, rather than a free state where we convince more and more people to forego abortion and limit it to only the early stage of the pregnancy. "
What exactly makes it different? Do you think the 45 million murdered children are free? What difference does tax policy, trade policy, healthcare or any other issue make to them or to their families?
Abortion is a black stain on the soul of the world.
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