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Abolish the IRS with National Sales Tax?
Fox News ^ | 11/3/04 | tgusa

Posted on 11/03/2004 10:42:24 AM PST by tgusa

"I'm not exactly sure how big the national sales tax is going to have to be, but it's kind of an interesting idea that we ought to explore seriously," the president said. The next day administration officials said Bush was not considering such a reform.

John Kerry's campaign quickly condemned a national sales tax, and Bush for potentially supporting it.

“If [Bush] has his way, every trip to the supermarket will feel like a visit to H&R Block and every day will be April 15. And now that this plan has been exposed, George W. Bush is trying to mislead the public into thinking it was just an off-the-cuff comment," Kerry spokesman Phil Singer said in an Aug. 12 statement.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: fairtax; irs; nationalsalestax; nrst; salestax; tax; taxes; taxreform
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To: tgusa
NOW is the time for ALL good men to come to the aid of THEIR country!!

GET RID OF THE IRS AND THE INCOME TAX!!


21 posted on 11/03/2004 10:55:21 AM PST by unixfox (Close the borders, problems solved!)
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To: narby

I repeat, abolish the 16th Amendment. Read the proposed legislation before you solidify your opinion. The sponsors posit that this legislation would free $5 to $6 trillion (if memory serves) for our economy. But abolition of the 16th Amendment would be ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL.


22 posted on 11/03/2004 10:56:28 AM PST by tgusa (USN A-6 pilot)
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To: tgusa
Economists agree that a Consumption based tax places less 'drag' on an economy.
EVERYONE pays it too.
Welfare parasites, the unemployed, retired people, kids, tourists, illegal aliens, people who work under the table. Anyone who consumes pays the tax.

If it replaces the income tax, the economy will soar.
Look at what happened to Slovakia and Russia when they went to a flat tax! Their economies have taken off.
23 posted on 11/03/2004 10:56:36 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: tgusa

Excellent. Hope it happens.


24 posted on 11/03/2004 10:56:49 AM PST by RightOnTheLeftCoast (You're it)
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To: unixfox

Here here from the SOCIALIST REPUBLIC OF VERMONT!


25 posted on 11/03/2004 10:57:18 AM PST by Raffus (Thanks to all Veterans for their service to our Country.)
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To: Bon mots

There is too much underground going on. I can name at least five people who pay $0 for . . .


26 posted on 11/03/2004 10:58:59 AM PST by Raffus (Thanks to all Veterans for their service to our Country.)
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To: FreedomCalls
...who will enforce collection of the NST?

Who collects sales tax now? It's a no-brainer. The mechanism is already in place. All it would be is another line on the receipt: Local Sale Tax, State Sales Tax, Federal Sales Tax. Piece of cake.

27 posted on 11/03/2004 10:59:01 AM PST by TChris (You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.)
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To: tgusa
The States would collect NST - most already have the mechanisms in place for State sales taxes.

Why would they do that? Most have a state income tax too, but they don't collect on behalf of the Feds for that. You'll find there will be a lot of resistance to doing so as another "unfunded mandate."

Remember the Articles of Confederation? That was unsuccessful because the states refused to collect taxes on behalf of the Feds. I can imagine that some states who would be opposed to spending from a specific administration might just refuse to send in the money as a protest. Would Massachusetts refuse to send in their fair share so as not to support the war in Iraq?

Asking the states to collect it is a losing proposition.

28 posted on 11/03/2004 10:59:13 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's a joke, people!)
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To: TChris
Who collects sales tax now?

The states coleect it now and they keep it. What would prevent them from not sending it in? Remember the Articles of Confederation fiasco?

29 posted on 11/03/2004 11:00:38 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's a joke, people!)
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To: FreedomCalls

Okay - the admin. is a point of contention. However, it should be discussed.


30 posted on 11/03/2004 11:01:10 AM PST by Raffus (Thanks to all Veterans for their service to our Country.)
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To: RKV

No, they don't tax your money when you earn, only when you spend it. And you get a consumption allowance, as well.

Read the proposals.


31 posted on 11/03/2004 11:02:21 AM PST by Little Ray (America is Great because America is Good.)
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To: Raffus

Absolutely! And we should start discussing now, before Hillary gets up a head of steam and we get distracted.


32 posted on 11/03/2004 11:02:51 AM PST by tgusa (USN A-6 pilot)
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To: tgusa

I swear people laugh at me (my friends), I will take a sabbatical (part time) to join the GOP against her. SHE WILL NOT PREVAIL.

The GOP better get going.


33 posted on 11/03/2004 11:05:19 AM PST by Raffus (Thanks to all Veterans for their service to our Country.)
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To: FreedomCalls

It's not an "unfunded mandate". It's funded out of the tax receipts.


34 posted on 11/03/2004 11:06:11 AM PST by Zon
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To: FreedomCalls

I thought we settled the issue of rebellious states 140 years ago, 10th Amendment notwithstanding (obtw, I'm a Virginian). Maybe there has to be something in it for the states - certainly worthy of discussion. I just know what would happen to me if I refused to send in my taxes to the IRS as a protest. There HAS to be a better way than the current system which penalizes productivity.


35 posted on 11/03/2004 11:08:56 AM PST by tgusa (USN A-6 pilot)
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To: tgusa

That is why "consumption" keeps it fair. You spend you pay. Period. Think about it.


36 posted on 11/03/2004 11:10:21 AM PST by Raffus (Thanks to all Veterans for their service to our Country.)
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To: tgusa

Yay, 4 more years is just enough time to get this through if we start right now.

A pox on the IRS - it's outdated like social security and doesn't fit in with our shiny new future.


37 posted on 11/03/2004 11:10:25 AM PST by AmericanChef
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To: tgusa

The Senate just messed themselves in their haste to offer a hundred and sixteen-dozen different targeted tax breaks for business. Is there anyone out there who honestly believes that they will adopt a simple tax system and lose out on the chance to repeat give-aways like that every election year?


38 posted on 11/03/2004 11:11:47 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: tgusa
I just know what would happen to me if I refused to send in my taxes to the IRS as a protest.

What? Just what would that be? What would happen if a state did not send in their sales tax receipts? Do you know anything about the "Articles of Confederation?

39 posted on 11/03/2004 11:13:49 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's a joke, people!)
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To: tgusa

The 16th Amendment would have to be repealed before the Fair Tax is implemented; otherwise, we will have both taxes imposed on us either sooner or later. While I support the Fair Tax, I feel Congress would never relinquish its ultimate power to manipulate the tax code for whatever purpose. If the Fair tax is too difficult to implement by repealing the 16th Amendment, we should pass a flat income tax. It is VITAL that the IRS be eliminated with either plan!


40 posted on 11/03/2004 11:15:15 AM PST by alli133
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