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Battlegrounds States Poll - August 23, 2004
WALL STREET JOURNEL ^ | August 23, 2004 | Wall Street Journel Online

Posted on 08/24/2004 5:39:39 PM PDT by COURAGE

The contest for the White House remains tight, according to the latest Zogby Interactive poll of likely voters in 16 battleground states. Although the map is awash in blue, with President Bush leading in only two of the battleground states, down from the three states he held three weeks ago, the results in three-quarters of the states in the survey are within the margin of error -- meaning those states remain very hotly contested. Mr. Kerry holds the top spot in 14 of the 16 polled states, up from 13 in the previous poll.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: bush; eeyore; grimer; joebtfsplk; journel; kerry; polls; zogby
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To: guitar Josh
Would it be ironic?
41 posted on 08/24/2004 6:00:32 PM PDT by COURAGE (A charter member of the Grim FReeper Club)
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To: COURAGE

Looks like Zig-Zog has done some mighty "refiguring" in Tenn since his June poll showed the facts of a 'W' blowout.

If the "volunteers" wouldn't carry the State for their beloved native son, Big Buldge Al, why in the hell would they vote for a Yankee liberal that never enjoyed a hot plate of grits in his life?

The Z spinster is merely attempting to rally the Southern rat base and avoid premature suicides prior to election day.

You are a real cute poster, however, in reading your past days blogs,let me hand you a loaded pistol!


42 posted on 08/24/2004 6:00:52 PM PDT by Kahuna
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To: COURAGE
OK, deal. Only problem is, I don't have any "heals."

Sheesh, are you like, 8 years old or something?

43 posted on 08/24/2004 6:01:06 PM PDT by TheBigB (Sure wish -I- had one'a them anti-shrew barrels...)
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To: canalabamian

Tom knows, trust me. ;)


44 posted on 08/24/2004 6:01:52 PM PDT by TheBigB (Sure wish -I- had one'a them anti-shrew barrels...)
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To: COURAGE
Newbie, like your Home page. One of the better ones

Why do you like it...he takes potshots at everything YOU hold dear?!

45 posted on 08/24/2004 6:02:32 PM PDT by Lurking2Long
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To: COURAGE
Newbie, like your Home page. One of the better ones

Why do you like it...he takes potshots at everything YOU hold dear?!

46 posted on 08/24/2004 6:02:36 PM PDT by Lurking2Long
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To: TheBigB
Spell check is not my friend.
47 posted on 08/24/2004 6:02:46 PM PDT by COURAGE (A charter member of the Grim FReeper Club)
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To: COURAGE
The polls are cooked.

Karl Rove has never lost an election. He channels Lee Atwater, you know, and it terrifies the Donks.

W has 274 ECV, IMO. Maybe more if he wins WI. I am not sure of MN or IA, but others are more sure of IA. That would be 291 ECVs. We have an extra 7 ECVs in safe states and can even afford to lose NH.

W has cut F'ns *lead* to even or a lead for W w/in or above the MOE in FL and OH. VA is W's. So is TN, AR, MO. It is going to be difficult to lose VA or WV. I know you think it is possible for 72% of the electorate in MO to vote against gay marriage and then, 2 1/2 months later, vote for Kerry, but it isn't going to happen and no one else thinks it will. Not even the idiots on the DU MO board.

My friends in MO say they are all ready for the usual Donk fraud down there. Note that the double voters in NYC and FL have been exposed. By name and address. I think they are in a spot of trouble. I think fewer will double vote this year. Hoards of poll watchers, some of them ours, are preparing to go to problematic states in Nov after voting absentee in their own. The crooked Donk voter registration in various states has been investigated and found out. People are being fined. Some may go to jail.

The media has found its out: "This is a personal battle between Kerry and the Vietnam Veterans". So, they will pop some popcorn and watch the Swiftees cream F'n. We aren't the only ones sick of his long monologues.

ZI is self-selected and the questions are pushers. I know. I am signed up for it. Only certain demographics are invited to participate in certain polls, meaning Zogby retains control.

If F'n was doing so great, why is he acting like an hysterical teen-aged girl and why have many of the Clintonista flak-catchers disappeared the past day or so?

You are a coward and the reincarnation of Joe Bltzfg. You are also ignorant and annoying.

STFU.
48 posted on 08/24/2004 6:03:14 PM PDT by reformedliberal ("John, YOU were the wrong one, here". Bob Dole)
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To: Pitiricus
From Tradesports:

BUSH bid 53.4 ask 53.8 last 53.8 change +1.3
KERRY bid 46.1 ask 46.8 last 46.9 change -0.6

49 posted on 08/24/2004 6:05:09 PM PDT by Petronski (Sometimes I'm just too damned cranky.)
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To: COURAGE
Here long than you, newbie. Been through many political campaign.

Wow, you even talk like a troll.


50 posted on 08/24/2004 6:05:32 PM PDT by TBarnett34 (All your ZOT are belong to JimRob!)
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To: COURAGE

wrong


51 posted on 08/24/2004 6:05:44 PM PDT by halley
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To: COURAGE

For someone willing to name themselves COURAGE, you certainly show a lack thereof troll....

maybe you should change your name to Chrissy Matthews or something or maybe no balls with Chrissy Matthews....


52 posted on 08/24/2004 6:06:13 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Kerry renames the US The People's Republic of America)
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To: Petronski
Bush's poll numbers are grime and getting grimer. My beeber is stuned.

We are domed, I tell ya, domed!

53 posted on 08/24/2004 6:07:03 PM PDT by dighton
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To: Nakatu X

Re: Tennessee, you are exactly right. Are we really to believe there was a shift of *20* points in 2 months in TN?? I just do not accept that. Why would Kerry gain so steadily in a state that Gore couldn't even take? I think Zogby's methods must be off.

Analyst Charlie Cook says if Dems have thoughts of capturing TN and VA, they should "dream on." I think he is right. Though Cook also said he thinks Kerry will win. He's been wrong before though.


54 posted on 08/24/2004 6:07:19 PM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: COURAGE

"Spell check is not my friend."

It's not about spell check errors--- it's fundamental grammar errors.

Take some time from Bush bashing and register for an Remedial writing class...you can even take one online.


55 posted on 08/24/2004 6:08:22 PM PDT by eleni121 (Thank God for John Ashcroft: Four more years!)
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To: TBarnett34

Zobgy is a Democrat. He is a pro-life, anti-gay marriage Democrat, but a solid Dem nonetheless. His brother is an unabashed Democrat, and leader of the Arab American Institute (AAI) often cited in the AP and Reuters. His cultural conservatism is probably due to the influence of Islam on his life, though in almost all other things, he is left-of-center.

One needs only look at the way questions are asked and to whom in a Zogby article.

In 2000, he incorrectly called Gore a 48-46% winner. You can look up his past polling accuracy and see that he usually understates Republican turnout by about 1.5-2.5 percent in most races (third parties races excluded). He incorrectly called five races in 2002 (http://www.ncpp.org/2002SenGovPoll/2002ElectionPolls.html) posting an average error of 2.5%, thus missing almost a third of all his calls (29.4%). Missing 2% in the Bush/Gore race amounted to a 2,000,000 vote underestimation, a hefty number by my standards. Don't forget the recent House seat race in SD, which was supposer to be won by 35%.....we all know what happened there.

He is angry with Bush and is thus polling accordingly. In an election where almost every poll is back and forth, I cannot find the last time Zogby had Bush leading, or so much as above 50% in his approval rating. Most other polls have been back-and-forth and have had Bush hover both above and below the 50% approval mark. Zogby currently has every state that went for Gore polling with significant leads for Kerry, Kerry ahead in about all of the swing states (sometimes decent leads at that), and some solid Bush states now becoming battleground states. It is a clear attempt to show momentum overwhelmingly flowing to Kerry, and I do not take it as credible.

If we are to take him at his polls, we should stop talking about a close election and start concentrating on doing better than Walter Mondale -- Can Bush win Texas? I just don't buy it. If Kerry wins by five percent, loses no blue states, wins all of the swing states, and puts several red states into play, it will be both an electoral and popular vote annihilation. And let's face it, that's what his polls are showing right now if you take them at their numbers.

My sense is that the numbers are skewed, and here is my theory why (based only upon my assumptions, nothing else whatsoever): I believe that Zogby, by the nature of who he is, is overstating the Arab vote right now, and likely actively seeks to include it in every survey, even in races where it probably does not make sense. By identifying this vote (which went overwhelmingly for Bush in 2000) as disgruntled "Republicans" or "Independents" (the likely current registration statuses of these voters - let's face it, how often do people change their registration when they can vote either way anyhow), he is able to pass off a lighter Republican loyalty than other polls, and a heavier independent/moderate shift to Kerry than other polls. Hence the difference. This would naturally shift his polls in each state (especially states like MI, WI, OH, MN, & IA) a few points away from Bush, and toward John F. NotBush.

By using known disgruntled "registered Republicans," he thus is able to interview less Republicans in general when doing the poll and come out "even" in his Dem:Rep ratios. Does anyone really believe that Bush will get 5-6% less votes than last time?....Come on.

(I posted this on a now-dead board before...sorry!)


56 posted on 08/24/2004 6:09:14 PM PDT by TitansAFC (What'll it take to get the Swiftees an Olympics ad?.....LOL)
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To: COURAGE
I think Karl Rove has no idea what to do.

Karl rove is your mantra dude. What did he do, steal your girlfriend.

57 posted on 08/24/2004 6:09:16 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: TitansAFC

Oh believe me, I know Zogby. He's actually a distant member of my stepfamily.


58 posted on 08/24/2004 6:10:53 PM PDT by TBarnett34 (All your ZOT are belong to JimRob!)
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To: COURAGE
Would it be ironic?

No, but I can see why people are calling you a troll.

59 posted on 08/24/2004 6:12:45 PM PDT by guitar Josh
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To: DrDeb
. . these results are based on Zogby's completely INVALID on-line poll -- what a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why can't people read? This is an on-line poll for goodness sakes. The equivalent of a CNN or WorldNetDaily on-line poll. In other words worthless.

60 posted on 08/24/2004 6:12:50 PM PDT by Terp (Retired living in Philippines were the Mountains meet the Sea in the Land of Smiles)
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