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Keyes Lags Behind Obama In CBS Poll (Osama 67% Keyes 28%)
CBS 2 Chicago ^ | August 9, 2004

Posted on 08/09/2004 5:28:52 PM PDT by RWR8189

CHICAGO (CBS 2) Illinois' senate race is heating up with both Democrat Barack Obama and new Republican candidate Alan Keyes in town pressing the flesh and warming up to voters.

The Republican candidate in this race may just be getting started, but according to an exclusive new CBS 2/Newsradio 780 poll, Keyes has a long way to go. 67 percent of Illinois voters prefer Democrat Obama; 28 percent would choose Keyes.

Keyes and his supporters were feeling the heat of the August sun as he announced for U.S. Senate at a crowded rally in Arlington Heights. Our exclusive voter opinion survey shows Obama generating another kind of heat.

Obama's lead in our CBS 2/Newsradio 780 Survey was most pronounced among women voters, 74 percent to 21percent for Keyes. Among men, it was 59 percent to 36 percent.

There was no surprise in strongly Democratic Chicago: 79 percent for Obama, 16 percent for Keyes.

But in the heavily Republican collar counties, it was Obama with 62 percent, Keyes with 34 percent. . Even downstate, 56 percent of those polled preferred Obama to 38 percent for Keyes. The results were almost the same in rural areas: 57 percent to 39 percent.

Virtually every Democrat we talked to favored Obama. Among independent voters, 64 percent chose Obama, 30 percent chose Keyes. Even among Republicans, 27 percent defected to Obama, 67 percent chose Keyes.

White voters went 62 percent to 32 percent for Obama; black voters by a margin of 89 percent to 10 percent.

The poll was conducted by Survey USA this past Friday and Saturday. It is accurate to within plus or minus four percentage points.


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: allankeyes; barrackobama; illinois; keyes; obama; poll; polls; senate; surveyusa
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To: Jorge
And I was attacked as a "defeatist" for predicting Keyes would not win this election

What if the same kind of poll shows Kerry is ahead of Bush? And when did we start trusting polls as the Gospel --- especially when most of us are never polled? If it's by the telephone, I won't ever likely be polled.

201 posted on 08/09/2004 8:14:33 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: All

The issue with Keyes isn't whether he is a conservative but a matter of personality/character.

The statement he made about H.C., no matter how he attempts to spin it, hurts him. It brings his character into question.

In addition, I've seen both Keyes and Obama on camera. Keyes isn't a dullard but Obama has a more welcoming on camera persona.

IMO, these are the two negatives Keyes has to focus on if he truly wishes to be competitive in this race.

Characterizing those that notice his weakness on these two issues as failing to endorse conservatism isn't accurate. It may be true in individual case but not for everyone that hasn't embraced his entrance to the race.

I do believe Republicans should work on his behalf to the best of their ability. Obama is a Liberal. Keyes endorses substantive conservative policy. The choice is clear for conservatives/Republicans in this race.


202 posted on 08/09/2004 8:16:20 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: FITZ
Well, I earn 21000 dollars tax free, and then when I want to buy a car, suddenly, the government taxes away (aka steals) a third of it under the name of something called a sales or value added tax, and I can only buy a car worth 14000 dollars. Slavery! Larceny! And since I am a poor middle class working slob, and have to spend most of my money on such stuff, and this be an enslaved victim of larceny, while Bill Gates gets to keep most of what he makes tax free. Moreover, as a nascent geezer, who has already paid income taxes on most of what I will be able to salt away, suddenly what I have left, will be pouched again by the insatiable Leviathan, with a 33% sales tax. I am so screwed. I made 21000, and only get to spend 9324 on the car, with the government taking 11676. Do you see how this works? So far, we really have made zippo progress on the merits. We are just trading quips.
203 posted on 08/09/2004 8:16:32 PM PDT by Torie
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To: ambrose

Keyes is no crackpot. He is a brilliant man and the debate he will make (win or lose) will bring the electorate closer to the right for the future.


204 posted on 08/09/2004 8:17:07 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: TomasUSMC
Save abortion for another thread. I favor a line drawn on based on sentience. No third trimester abortions, and legalized first trimester abortions. I know you don't agree. Don't vote for me for president.
205 posted on 08/09/2004 8:18:47 PM PDT by Torie
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To: cyborg

You're right. His numbers will go down once people get to know him.


206 posted on 08/09/2004 8:20:48 PM PDT by TedsGarage
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To: Torie

Well --- that's why the American Revolutionaries called their taxes which were far far lower "tyranny". They had a whole Revolution over taxes we'd think were way too low today. They approved of certain taxes only --- but far far less than we see today.


207 posted on 08/09/2004 8:24:22 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: fieldmarshaldj

My bet is that Lisa Madigan is going to challenge Blago in primary, probably unsuccessfully, but probably bloody.

If we can run a decent candidate that runs a decent campaign, we might be able to pull off a win.


208 posted on 08/09/2004 8:26:56 PM PDT by RWR8189 (Its Morning in America Again!)
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To: RWR8189

Keyes Lags Behind Obama In CBS Poll (Osama 67% Keyes 28%)"

Well duh, he entered the race Sunday?


209 posted on 08/09/2004 8:27:44 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Keyes said tonight that the dim canidate had retracted his six debate offer to any repub, and now says he will only two with Keyes.

Sounds to me there is a flip-flopper in Il also.


210 posted on 08/09/2004 8:31:01 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis

Sounds like Obama is pretty scared --- in spite of this poll of whatever people supposedly were polled.


211 posted on 08/09/2004 8:33:54 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ

how on earth can there be a reliable poll today?



Don't see why you need a really reliable poll today.... but somewhere to start from helps I'm sure. Heck you have to have some ideas of where you are and where you need to go even it's off by a factor of X percent. It's been way too many moons since statistics for me but methodologies are there to fairly accurately measure the populace.


212 posted on 08/09/2004 8:47:43 PM PDT by deport (Please Flush the Johns......)
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To: Dave W
Keyes is not electable. He screams from the podium and he doesn't even live in the state.

And just WHAT was your take on Hillary, 4 years ago????

213 posted on 08/09/2004 8:47:48 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: cyborg
Sounds like he's in the hip pocket of the gun-grabbers. Figures he resides in Chicago.
214 posted on 08/09/2004 9:03:18 PM PDT by Missouri
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To: Elsie

We
are talking about Keyes on TALKONE.com 1800 505043 now! Call in to the Roger Fredinberg Show. Ping everyone

Tell em Tomas sent ya.


215 posted on 08/09/2004 9:05:28 PM PDT by TomasUSMC
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To: Missouri

Now if Obama becomes senator will his security detail be armed with harsh language? Just thinking out loud,not accusing or anything ;-)


216 posted on 08/09/2004 9:11:08 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: GetZarqawiNow

I took a look at the 2000 presidential race, and a quick calculation showed that one could have added sufficent votes for Bush to have won every county in Illiniois except Cook county and if he keep the same precentage in Cook he would still have lost by half a million votes.

I agree with you that Keyes needs to pay A LOT of attention to downstate, but he can't wrtite off Cook county. As to getting down there on the first day, I doubt enough voters are paying attention yet to know who he is, let alone where he's going. It does take more than a day or two to set up the logistics of a barnstorming tour around the state, does it not?


217 posted on 08/09/2004 9:30:16 PM PDT by WillRain
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To: Missouri

Speaking of corruption, that may be one of the best reasons to bring a loose cannon like Keyes into this race. If there's anyone who might not "play by the rules" and make waves in political "convention" it's someone like Keyes.

I have no idea how he would change anything, but it's darn sure he won't bite his tongue.


218 posted on 08/09/2004 9:55:55 PM PDT by WillRain
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To: deport

32% self identified independents?

That's...striking.

If I may engage in some baseless presumption, could much of that apparently high figure be the result of voters being alienated by-
A. an inept GOP; and
B. a corrupt, Machine/black controlled Democrat party?

Is it possible that this is fertile ground for an "outside the box" candidate?


219 posted on 08/09/2004 9:59:50 PM PDT by WillRain
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To: fieldmarshaldj

The more i think about it, the more I think that if Keyes loses, he ought to stick around and build momentum for a run at Governor B or Dick Durbin in 2006. If Jessie Ventura can be a governor....


220 posted on 08/09/2004 10:09:22 PM PDT by WillRain
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