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Genghis Khan: Father To Millions
Discovery News ^ | 6-22-2004 | Rossella Lorenzi

Posted on 06/22/2004 9:49:06 AM PDT by blam

Genghis Khan: Father to Millions?

By Rossella Lorenzi, Discovery News

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Statue of the Mongol Emperor

June 22, 2004 —Genghis Khan left a legacy shared by 16 million people alive today, according to a book by a Oxford geneticist who identified the Mongol emperor as the most successful alpha male in human history.

Regarded by the Mongolians as the father of their nation, Genghis Khan was born around 1162. A military and political genius, he united the tribes of Mongolia and conquered half of the known world with a cavalry riding on grass-fed ponies.

By the time Genghis died in 1227, his empire stretched from the Pacific coast of China to the Caspian Sea.

Bryan Sykes, professor of human genetics at Oxford University and author of "Adam's Curse," a study of the Y chromosome, believes Genghis's "super Y" chromosome survived and proliferated as far as the British Isles. He has just begun to check it at Oxford Ancestors, a leading provider of DNA-based services for use in personal ancestry research.

"We will offer British men genetic tests to see if they are Genghis's descendants. It is possible that the Mongol emperor's Y chromosome spread as far as the U.K. through gradual immigration from further East over the centuries," Sykes told Discovery News.

The genetic testing follows another Oxford study, which involved a survey of the Y chromosome — which is passed unchanged from father to son — from all over Central Asia.

The researchers found one Y chromosome fingerprint that was identical in eight percent of the male population.

"This was highly unusual and suggested that they may all have descended from one man living in the fairly recent past. By seeing what small changes had occurred, it was possible to estimate the time at which this common ancestor lived, and it was consistent with an origin in the 12th or 13th century," Sykes said.

Matching that evidence with the overlap between where the chromosome was abundant and the geographical extent of the Mongol empire established by Genghis Khan in the 12th century, the researchers concluded it was Genghis' chromosome.

The Mongol emperor's habit of killing the men and inseminating the women when his army conquered a new territory, coupled with handing the Empire and other wealth to his sons, and their sons, would explain how the chromosome came to such prevalence today, said Sykes.

The final piece of evidence came from the Hazara, a hill tribe in Pakistan who had a strong oral history of being descended from Genghis Khan.

"The Y chromosome was present in the Hazara, but not in the surrounding tribes, who did not have this oral history. Though the evidence is circumstantial, it is, I believe, very strong," Sykes said.

Finding Genghis Khan's tomb, one of the great secrets of all time, could provide the definitive evidence, leading to a direct comparison of Genghis' Y chromosome with those of modern men.

Sykes' hypothesis seems to be consistent with history, according to David Morgan, a Mongol history specialist at the University of Wisconsin.

"There's no reason to doubt that Genghis Khan fathered a good crop of children, if one is to believe the testimony of contemporaries," Morgan told Discovery News.


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To: PatrickHenry

Correlating molecular clocks with recorded history ping.


61 posted on 06/22/2004 12:57:26 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Corin Stormhands; JenB
It is not unlike the "n-word."

A word that can be used within context, only the "n-word" has a much more limited context of proper use. The "n-word" never had a scientific use.

The term Mongoloid was taught and learned by many of us as as with no knowledge of the derogatory alternative use. JenB is completely wrong in her statement that any who uses the word knows it is offensive. I did not.
62 posted on 06/22/2004 12:58:54 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (Veritas vos liberabit)
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To: CyberCowboy777

Let me correct myself. Anyone who uses it to address a child with Down Syndrome, in front of his family, while refusing to actually look at that child, knows it is offensive. It's possible that it can be used inoffensively. When one uses it in a stupid joke, that person probably knows it is offensive.

People may use it innocently, but I think they'd be glad to learn that it can be construed as offensive so as not to use it again.


63 posted on 06/22/2004 1:00:57 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Corin Stormhands
A more complete dictionary is a useful asset when discussing the use and origins of words.

The point is that the word has a valid meaning not associated with derogatory use, and many are not in the "loop" when it comes to 'word you can't use anymore'.
64 posted on 06/22/2004 1:01:29 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (Veritas vos liberabit)
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To: JenB
I agree, and I personally will try to use an alternative.

But this thread is not about Down Syndrome, it is about Genghis Khan, his Mongol army and their descendants.
65 posted on 06/22/2004 1:04:26 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (Veritas vos liberabit)
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To: CyberCowboy777
No, but I was originally replying to post 8: All that inbreeding doubtless led to some Mongoloids.

How am I supposed to take this 'joke'? Down Syndrome is a genetic defect (not caused by inbreeding). To me, it sounds pretty darn crude.

66 posted on 06/22/2004 1:06:35 PM PDT by JenB
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To: SunkenCiv

This discussion has deteriorated into irrelevance, but the original article may be of interest to you.


67 posted on 06/22/2004 1:07:02 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: CyberCowboy777; JenB
The term Mongoloid was taught and learned by many of us as as with no knowledge of the derogatory alternative use. JenB is completely wrong in her statement that any who uses the word knows it is offensive. I did not.

Well, now you know.

I'm sorry, but the original use on this thread was clearly pointing at both meanings of the word.

68 posted on 06/22/2004 1:09:00 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Osama remains "missing" 'cause Michael Moore ate him...)
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To: blam

Well now, this explains my bizarre cravings for mare's milk and the times I've been caught sleepwalking carrying my bow and wearing nothing but a horned hat while yelling SAMARAKAN!


69 posted on 06/22/2004 1:10:37 PM PDT by Rebelbase ( aka Gassybrowneyedbum)
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To: JenB; Corin Stormhands
I guess I missed the nuance of the joke.

My point is that it is possible to use the word in a innocent way.

If the poster intended it as a joke, it was tasteless and ignorant.
70 posted on 06/22/2004 1:16:36 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (Veritas vos liberabit)
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To: CyberCowboy777; JenB

I think we're agreed.


71 posted on 06/22/2004 1:18:07 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Osama remains "missing" 'cause Michael Moore ate him...)
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To: blam

72 posted on 06/22/2004 1:20:17 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: CyberCowboy777

Thank you for being willing to learn. I apologize if I implied that anyone who uses that term is necessarily a jerk. You've demonstrated that's certainly not the case.


73 posted on 06/22/2004 1:22:05 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Rebelbase
You are way underdressed.


74 posted on 06/22/2004 1:25:05 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: ZULU

"There is a new book out on the biography of Genghis Khan. He did ban the use of torture."

Don't belive everything you read. He might have banned some torture, but I very much doubt that he banned all torture.


75 posted on 06/22/2004 2:50:30 PM PDT by Max Combined
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To: JenB
Look I don't use the term mongoloid, but the point is that in the not too distant past it is the term that the Medical Profession used. And BTW, my old boss has a son with down syndrome, the kid is cute as a button and it's a shame - but that's life.

That being said, I am sick and tired of every special interest group (and those are growing exponentially daily) being offended by something. PC has run amok and it's running our country. Case in point is Iraq, were we can't properly respond with enough force in fear of offending the islmao-fascists who want us all DEAD.

76 posted on 06/22/2004 2:52:41 PM PDT by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. -- Gen G. Patton Jr)
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To: VadeRetro

May your seed be more numerous than Ghengis Khan's.


77 posted on 06/22/2004 3:51:39 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
May your seed be more numerous than Ghengis Khan's.

Not sure what joke I want to make.


78 posted on 06/22/2004 4:35:33 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
There once was a conqueror named Ghengis,
Who had a hyper-active dingus,
With each city he captured,
Another maiden he enraptured,
As history and genetics both explaingus.
79 posted on 06/22/2004 4:53:02 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry

Genghis Khan
Only had one.
But he got it done
That son of a gun.


80 posted on 06/22/2004 5:03:09 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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