Terror suspect captured on tape (NGsman tried to join al-Qaida before deploying to iraq)

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/173124_anderson13.html ^ | 5-13-04 | MIKE BARBER

[OXENinFLA]

FORT LEWIS -- Army Spc. Ryan Anderson talked with his lawyer and wrote on a notepad yesterday, but didn't look up at the screen showing an undercover video of his meeting near the Space Needle in February with two federal investigators posing as al-Qaida terrorist recruiters.

In the 58-minute recording made inside a vehicle, with about a minute censored for security reasons, Anderson, 26, of Lynnwood is shown volunteering ideas on how to defeat U.S. military vehicles and kill soldiers, sharing military documents, making plans to desert and join al-Qaida, and his reasons for it all.

"While I love my homeland, I believe the leaders have taken this horrible road. I have no belief in what the American Army has asked me to do. They have taken me from my family and sent me to die," Anderson said on the video, which was shown in a courtroom at this Army base yesterday.

"I joined the National Guard because they said I won't go over and fight -- I will fight at home," he said.

But Anderson, a convert to Islam, said he would not fight overseas against "brother" Muslims. "I am very upset about that," he said. "I love my country, but I fear my government."

[Frank_Discussion]

My post came out with "It's fairly well untested..."

"untested" chould be "known" - Sybil the spellchecker script at it again...

[Petronski]

I want to associate myself with your sentiments. I don't much like this forum being exploited by dudes like this one to ululate his filthy smears and lies, but kicking him out is not my call, and perhaps we can all learn from his rhetoric.

[Rebelbase]

"Bush has been able to do something that no radical Muslim has ever been able to do successfully and that is call Jihad on the US and the west."

This isn't meant to be insulting, but you are misinformed. The "Jihad" against the US and the west has been going on for 1500 years. The most recent, notable resurgence in modern times started about 25-30 years ago. Just because you can recall peaceful interludes doesn't mean the Jihadists were at peace, they were just planning their next moves.

Bush had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11...that was Jihad against our country. The Hijackers trained and prepared for that mission during Clinton's term in office...and before that they tried to bring down the WTC with a truck bomb in the basement in 1993.

Islam is a demonic spiritual power that pushes the borders of its principality constantly...when it detects a weakness, it moves in. When it detects a forceful resistance, it bides its time and tries again and again to move in.

IMO, we as a Nation are blessed by God. But to believe the notion(as I think you do) that we can just sit on our butts and sing Hallelujah without taking any real world action to protect ourselves is irresponsible naivete, IMO.

[WayneM]

I highly suspect you are a Moslem, and much of what I am about to say will not be easy, or even possible, for you to understand. But I will try anyway.

Actions of the past several years have convinced most of the people here on this forum that Islam is a false religion invented by a raving lunatic. This lunatic espoused things such as pedophilia, murder, rape, etc., and many of his followers today hold true to his evil rantings. The central message is forced submission to Allah. Those who cannot be forced to convert and submit are to be slaughtered, with their women and children raped and forced into slavery, and their property seized. It is all summed up in my tagline.

As a Christian I am highly offended when someone says I worship the same God as Moslems. It just is not true.

Contrast Islam to Christianity, where one of the primary messages is love of one's neighbors. The ultimate example of this love was provided by God who sent his son to pay the price (become the sacrifice) for our sins.

Now it has become evident to many of us here in the US that we have been placed in the position of "kill or be killed". This is not something we asked for or deserve.

We deeply resent Moslems in this country because they either A) sympathize with these Satanic murderers, or B) or willing to sit in silence as it all happens.

If only 1% of all Moslems are willing to side with and assist the terrorists, and we have 10 million Moslems here in the US, this means that we currently have in this country 100,000 enemies ready to help "their side". This is a huge problem to me.

Like it or not, this country was founded by Christians, with a government based on Christian principles. Christianity is the reason the USA is prosperous and powerful and free.

Take a look at the countries from which our Moslem immigrants arrive, and compare them to the US. No offense intended, but most of these countries are sewage pits. The people are impoverished, uneducated, and backwards. Their governments are despotic. AND THIS IS ALL DUE TO ISLAM.

Look at all of the trouble spots in the world. Here - in every war zone - are the fruits of Islam.

After coming here to the US they continue to hang on to their former homes in their hearts and in their souls. They hang on to their false religion. By hanging on to all of this, they reject the values that are at the very core of this country. I feel as if we have invited the enemy into our home. He eats our food and takes advantage of our hospitality, but refuses to join the family.

So, Truth Bearer, are you beginning to see where we are coming from?

As a Moslem, can you tell me how Moslems are my friend?

Can you tell me what good things you and your fellow Moslems can add to the American experience?

Can you tell me what place in the world your prophet and you religion allows for me as a Christian, and for my brothers the Jews?

[Centurion2000]

Does the existence of a few poisonous soldiers mean that all Muslims in the military should be deployed to the sidelines?

YES

[marty60]

I know, but I'm getting so angry, I guess I better leave before I get myself kicked off. I value my privileges here to much to let this Religion of Satan person jeopardize it. Sorry

[Frank_Discussion]

"This isn't meant to be insulting, but you are misinformed."

Yeah, if he had meant to be insulting, he would have called you a dumb*ss, but then why be redundant?

[ought-six]

"Should the African Americans look at you as a low life maggot since the US brought millions of Africans to the US and used them as beast of burden to help build the US?
(Over 16 million killed in the middle passage alone.)"

Cite your source! If 16,000,000 died on the way over, there wouldn't have been enough left to harvest one cotton crop. Slavery was -- and is -- a terrible, terrible thing, and every culture has practiced it at one time or another. The Sudan still practices it (Africans enslaving other Africans). It's odd, that it's only America that is ever blamed or called to task for slavery; but if the truth be told, American slavery was the most benign of all of them (if there can be such a thing), yet that is no balm for practicing the vile institution.

[Petronski]

Oh, for heaven's sake, don't apologize. I agree completely with you.

I'm talking about the horrible stench of his filth.

I'm with you.

[Petronski]

The Sudan still practices it (Africans enslaving other Africans).

My understanding of Sudanese slavery is that it is almost exclusively a case of Muslims enslaving Christians.

[Centurion2000]

I mean I could go on and on about things Europeans have done to Original peoples of the earth but you get the point, I hope. Calling those people out of their names and giving them hateful glares just because you want them to be even more paranoid about how you view them is unjust and shows the hypocrisy of yourself and those who talk and act like you in America.

Shut up and go have a bacon sandwich. Muslims have declared war on the USA. Any hatred they are feeling they have brought on themselves.

[Petronski]

He'll have plenty of time for sandwiches now...he's been banned.

[Itzlzha]

You sound like a white racist from the early 1900s...

And you sound like a hand-wringing-panties-on-head-wearing elitist!

Grab a mit, and catch a clue! Islamazis are THE major threat to the world, since they believe that they can do ANYTHING and be true to Allah (MHNBC)!

Rape? Ok by the Koran...
Torture? OK by the Koran...
Lying? OK by the Koran.....
Murder? OK by the Koran...

As long as it's being done to an INFIDEL!

Got a mirror handy? Take a look in it, because unless YOU are an Islamazi, you are in line for the above treatment by these Demon Moon-God worshippers!

So, unless you have something useful to add, just sit down and STFU with that "Moral Relativism" crap, 'cause I've had it, and it don't fly!

Should the Japanese look at you as a terrorist since the US dropped the bomb on them and killed 100s of thousands?

Ask the survivors of the Rape of Nanking (Yoko Ono's family, btw, became RICH because they were in charge of that...did you "Imagine" that?) and the Bataan Death March!

Should the Chinese look at you as a scumbag since Europeans took over part of China and filled them up with heroin?

Ask the Boxer Rebellion, and the victims of Mao and those at Tiannamen Square!

Should the African Americans look at you as a low life maggot since the US brought millions of Africans to the US and used them as beast of burden to help build the US? (Over 16 million killed in the middle passage alone.)

Are you Major Owens....do the sharks still swim the route looking for a Black Man to nosh on? Do the math...there would have had to be something along the lines of 300 ships a year that ONLY dumped their FULL cargo to even approach that number!

Besides, check the Islamazis...THEY were involved in the slave trade, and STILL ARE! We are not, and have not been for 100+ years! Nice try, but I have NEVER owned a slave...how am I responsible? Have/do YOU own any? Have YOU given everything you have in "reparations" you EEEEvil slavist you?!

However, I oppose slavery, and will fight to free ANYONE in such condition...can the same be said of you, or your beloved "Islamazi" brethren who tolerate/support the actions of these evil ba$tards?!?!

Should the Native American look at you as a warmonger with a lying tongue just because the Europeans took their land and killed most of them?

Since we ALL know that the "Native Americans" were the ORIGINAL peace/love granola crowd, and NEVER waged war on ANYONE...right? Look into the derivations of the tribal names...almost all have their tribal names meaning "the people" in their language, and the names of the OTHER tribes roughly translated to "the scum"! Sioux meant "Snake" and it was not used in any way as a nice appellation!

And those loving Natives were GREAT land managers and conservationists...right? After all, driving an entire herd of Buffalo over a cliff is just good cattle management. right?

I mean I could go on and on about things Europeans have done to Original peoples of the earth but you get the point, I hope. Calling those people out of their names and giving them hateful glares just because you want them to be even more paranoid about how you view them is unjust and shows the hypocrisy of yourself and those who talk and act like you in America.

And I think you are either a self-hating WASP... or perhaps are a racist agains Europeans in YOUR views! And I too could go on and on about the CRIMES of these "Other more worthy" cultures you revere over any Euro/Western society...but I guess that's just pissing in the wind.

It's obvious that those with your world-view are as much an enemy of a Free Society as Al Queda and the Islamazis, since you give them "Moral Equivalency" to those who believe in LIFE, LIBERTY, and THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS!

May I suggest the next available flight to whatever $hithole you feel is better than the US...ASAP?

[Rebelbase]

Before mouthing off again, you ought to educate yourself about Islam's tolerence for slavery.

http://www.brandeis.edu/projects/fse/Pages/islamandslavery.html#anchor_contemporary

[CyberAnt]

Well .. the Abu prison bunch are perverts.

[jjm2111]

Seems like I spoke up for the wrong guy and our barer (sic) of truth has already been banned. Oh well.

I thought at first he was some Muslim, but the "Jews are the religion of Satan" or some such nonsense came out and he got what he deserved.

[ought-six]

"My understanding of Sudanese slavery is that it is almost exclusively a case of Muslims enslaving Christians."

Yup. That's a fact.

[Petronski]

I think he chose 'barer' on purpose, as though the 'truth' was hidden from us and he would come and lay it bare.


I don't mind what you did at all, BTW, but he struck me as one of those clowns burdened with an agenda so heavy, he can barely conceal it. Finally, it burst through.

[jjm2111]

That poem on your homepage is awesome.

[jjm2111]

It's always da Choos!!. From the hilarious Blog The Religious Policeman written by a Saudi guy. The most recent entry in the blog sheds light on our erstwhile FReind.

Saturday, May 08, 2004

A Brief Foray into an Internet Cafe 

I won't be doing this too often, there aren't that many and I'm too old for their typical clientele.

Many thanks for all the good wishes, I am safe but there's too much activity around for me to use my normal link. Thanks for all the emails but please excuse the lack of reply, I'm sure you'll understand.

Anyway, I just had to come on air because of the latest piece of idiocy from our rulers. Forget what I ever said about Crown Prince Abdullah being relatively reasonable - he's completely lost the plot. Prince Nayif, on the other hand, has always lived in a mad world of his own.

We Are at War With Terrorists, Says Naif

JEDDAH, 8 May 2004 — Saudi Arabia is in a state of war with terrorism, Interior Minister Prince Naif declared yesterday. But he also said efforts at communicating with extremists had been effective in bringing a number of them back into the fold.
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Speaking to top military and civilian officials in Jeddah last Saturday when four terrorists went on a shooting spree in Yanbu killing five Westerners and a National Guard officer, the crown prince said he believed Zionists were behind most terrorist attacks in the Kingdom. But in a press statement after the attack, Prince Naif blamed Al-Qaeda.

“I don’t see any contradiction in the two statements, because Al-Qaeda is backed by Israel and Zionism,” he said.

So there you have it. It's official, our Interior Minister says so. It's all the fault of the Jews, just like they teach us in school. Al Qaeeda is a front for the Mossad. Osama Bin Laden is really a Jewish kid from the Bronx, went out one day to buy some bagels but somehow ended up in Afghanistan where he led all those good Arab boys astray and got them to practice blowing things up with historic Buddha statues. But you have to admit that the Jews are clever, the way they threaten themselves with oblivion; there's nothing more deceptive than a double-bluff.

Anyway, it'll be easy to pick them up at the roadblocks. This is the photo of the man that all the cops will be looking out for.



Clearly it's only the US's spectacular PR disaster in Iraq that has prevented this getting more headlines. It typifies our two Arab diseases - self-denial of the blindingly obvious, and blaming everyone else. With attitudes like that permeating the highest levels of government, we can be assured that our War on Terrorism will continue to be a futile farce. We might as well save ourselves the bother, let's invite the Talibaan in right now, Mrs. A ought to stay in more anyway, my daughter would enjoy a break from school, and maybe our national soccer team will play better in full length pants.

Posted by: Alhamedi / 2:36 PM|

Not only is this guy a hoot, you learn stuff about SA that you never see in the New York Times.