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Soldier's Family Set in Motion Chain of Events on Disclosure [Hackworth involved in CBS photos]
NY Times ^ | 5/8/04 | James Dao and Eric Lichtblau

Posted on 05/07/2004 11:02:41 PM PDT by saquin

CUMBERLAND, Md., May 7 — Ivan Frederick was distraught. His son, an Army reservist turned prison guard in Iraq, was under investigation earlier this year for mistreating prisoners, and photographs of the abuse were beginning to circulate among soldiers and military investigators.

So the father went to his brother-in-law, William Lawson, who was afraid that reservists like his nephew would end up taking the fall for what he considered command lapses, Mr. Lawson recounted in an interview on Friday. He knew whom to turn to: David Hackworth, a retired colonel and a muckraker who was always willing to take on the military establishment. Mr. Lawson sent an e-mail message in March to Mr. Hackworth's Web site and got a call back from an associate there in minutes, he said.

That e-mail message would put Mr. Lawson in touch with the CBS News program "60 Minutes II" and help set in motion events that led to the public disclosure of the graphic photographs and an international crisis for the Bush administration.

It is still not entirely clear who leaked the photos and how they got into the hands of a "60 Minutes II" producer. What is clear, however, is that the furor over the photos is unlikely to dissipate any time soon.

And it may only get worse.

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld disclosed Friday that there were "many more photos" and videos of abuse that have not yet become public. And he acknowledged in Senate testimony that the military might have mishandled the affair by not alerting members of Congress and the public to the growing seriousness of the military's investigation into the abuses before the images became public on "60 Minutes II."

"I wish I had been able to convey to them the gravity of this before we saw it in the media," Mr. Rumsfeld said.

The irony, Mr. Lawson said, is that the public spectacle might have been avoided if the military and the federal government had been responsive to his claims that his nephew was simply following orders. Mr. Lawson said he sent letters to 17 members of Congress about the case earlier this year, with virtually no response, and that he ultimately contacted Mr. Hackworth's Web site out of frustration, leading him to cooperate with a consultant for "60 Minutes II."

"The Army had the opportunity for this not to come out, not to be on 60 Minutes," he said. "But the Army decided to prosecute those six G.I.'s because they thought me and my family were a bunch of poor, dirt people who could not do anything about it. But unfortunately, that was not the case."

Many of the incriminating photographs appear to have been taken on a digital camera by a soldier in the 372nd Military Police Company who is now facing a court-martial. From there, they appear to have circulated among military personnel in Iraq via e-mail and computer disks, and some may have found their way to family members in the United States.

But there are still numerous unresolved questions about the photographs. One is why they were taken. Some officials suggest that soldiers wanted the photographs as souvenirs, but some relatives said they believed that the photographs were going to be shown to other prisoners to pressure their cooperation.

Then there is the question of how the photographs became public.

Lt. Gen. Lance Smith, deputy commander of forces in the region, testifying Friday before Congress, said he was still unclear how that happened. "It was a surprise that it got out," General Smith said.

Military officials were aware of two disks with photographs on them that were part of continuing investigations, one in Iraq and another in Washington, he said.

"That was the limit of the pictures, and we thought we had them all," General Smith said.

Producers at "60 Minutes II" are not saying exactly how they got the photographs. But Jeff Fager, the executive producer, said, "We heard about someone who was outraged about it and thought that the public should know about it."

Digital cameras have become so ubiquitous in the military that many relatives of personnel in the 372nd and other units in Iraq said they routinely received photographs by e-mail. But the photographs were usually tourist-type photographs of smiling sons and daughters, relatives said.

Officials said that the photographs showing psychological or physical abuse numbered in the hundreds, perhaps more than 1,000, with Mr. Rumsfeld hinting Friday that more may come out.

Among some prison personnel in Iraq, the photographs were apparently an open secret. "Some soldiers in Iraq had them — I'm hearing that soldiers were showing them to everybody," Mr. Lawson said. He said he did not have the original photos and did not turn them over to anyone.

The photographs have now turned soldiers like Mr. Lawson's nephew, Staff Sgt. Ivan Frederick, and Pfc. Lynndie R. England into graphic symbols of military abuse. But for Mr. Lawson, they are evidence of a complete breakdown in training and authority in the Iraqi prison system.

He shared his frustration in his March 23 e-mail message to Mr. Hackworth's Web site, writing: "We have contacted the Red Cross, Congress both parties, Bill O'Reilly and many others. Nobody wants to touch this."

Less than five weeks later, images of his nephew — interviewed on "60 Minutes II" with Mr. Lawson's help — would be shown around the world. Far from untouchable, the story would become unavoidable.


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To: MEG33
but the pictures should not have been posted during the worst month of fighting,endangering the honorable troops.

MEG33 imho the worst month of fighting stemmed from the acctual abuse of the Iraqi detainees. The horrible killing of the Blackwater contractors stemmed from the abuse of the Iraqi detainees combined with the instigation of terrorist in the midst.

281 posted on 05/08/2004 1:22:09 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Texasforever
They may make each of them wear Hillary masks all day while doing that.

Could become real ugly FAST!
282 posted on 05/08/2004 1:23:16 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: nopardons; ValerieUSA
Then just WHY did you poke your nose into something that didn't concern you in the first place...if you didn't want a reply?

Ahem! Is that the pot calling the kettle black, or what?

283 posted on 05/08/2004 1:23:22 AM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BykrBayb; ValerieUSA
Welcome to the trenches ladies.
284 posted on 05/08/2004 1:24:09 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: saquin
BUMP
285 posted on 05/08/2004 1:25:30 AM PDT by AnimalLover
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To: TexKat; All
Go to the post I just put up called "Clinton Era Atrocities (no hearings, no media)"

It's long, but worth it.

In the 90's and 2000, US contractors took part in a prostitution ring, white slavery with underage girls. There was even a videotape of an apparent Rape.

Hillary, CBS and the gang never told us about it. The partisand in Congress never leveled with the American people and had a hearing.

This is shocking.

286 posted on 05/08/2004 1:25:50 AM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: John Lenin
Why put inexperienced young people in charge of this type of detail ? Makes no sense to me so far, someone really messed up bigtime.

If you are referring to Graner, I believe he was 37 and had worked in corrections for several years.

287 posted on 05/08/2004 1:25:59 AM PDT by Watery Tart (Al Franken: “Clinton’s military did pretty well in Iraq, huh?” April 27, 2003)
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To: MEG33
I hate and despise the pictures,the people who created the pictures,the people who enabled the behavior,the poor command oversight and the lack of discipline but the pictures should not have been posted during the worst month of fighting,endangering the honorable troops.

Well I agree but I have a question. The pictures were obtained by the investigators in January when Taguma was investigating the Army Reserve 800th MP Btl (2nd investigation as the first was apparently poorly done according to Taguma (whitewash?)). The investigation into Military Intelligence was not begun until April 23rd (from Rummy's testimony). That was after the time they knew the press had the pictures from the Taguma investigation. It leads one to wonder whether MI (and more importantly CIA) would ever have been investigated had the pictures not come out.

288 posted on 05/08/2004 1:27:01 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: faithincowboys; All
It all happened in Bosnia--the Balkans; Clinton and Weasley Clark's big foreign policy "achievement." I guess Wes Clark can't be on Kerry's short list for Veep anymore.
289 posted on 05/08/2004 1:27:48 AM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: philman_36
Thank you. Nice to see a friendly.
290 posted on 05/08/2004 1:28:25 AM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: TexKat
Very interesting concept.The Iraqis have been brutal and trying to kill us before ,but I can see this as a contributory factor,not the whole reason.

Al Sadr's bunch was incensed at several moves against them.They are just thugs ,intimidating the towns they are in,taking over.

I deplore this lack of military discipline and breakdown in command and control.
291 posted on 05/08/2004 1:30:36 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: Howlin
I shoulda known ole Hackworth was behind this. He's been bitter about this Iraq war from the start. He made a couple appearances on Hannity & Colmes at the start of the war, went loony like he was sniffing Agent Orange or something, and hasn't been seen or heard from since.
292 posted on 05/08/2004 1:31:18 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (John Kerry: An old creep, with gray hair, trying to look like he's 30 years old.)
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To: tpaine
You're kidding, right?
293 posted on 05/08/2004 1:31:48 AM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: BykrBayb
Nice to see a friendly.
Thank you for that.
294 posted on 05/08/2004 1:34:04 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: BykrBayb; Fledermaus
He treats me as an EQUAL,or better.

To use a homosexual sexual act term,to imply how I am treated by a male,is offensive,disgusting,and irrational.It's also against posting rules.

I dare you to find one post, ONE ,in the past six years,that Fledermaus has insulted me,treated me badly,and verbally completed a homosexual act on me.You'd better find that one,CCP it to THIS thread,or take your smarmy,foul mouthed self off,after apologizing profusely to both him and me and to our respective spouses.

And FYI..you get treated with no respect,because you demand none for the replies you post;NOT because you are a female...which I'm beginning to have my doubts about.

295 posted on 05/08/2004 1:35:15 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: saquin; All
No wonder why Hack didn't respond when I sent him this letter--FYI, Hack and I have had a back and foth before, it's unusual that he didn't respond to this e-mail I sent him

Hack,

I know you have had a lot of negative things to say about Ollie North, but I direct you to his reports from the front that are being shown around the clock on Fox News. It should shame all who could, that they sit back and snipe while Ollie almost single-handedly bucks up the morale of our troopers.
You should watch his dispatches--usually with young marines next to him--and think real hard. At times like this, people define who they are and Ollie North has revealed what a soldier-loving patriot he is--it's a pity that he stands alone in the media.

Faith
296 posted on 05/08/2004 1:35:56 AM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: TexKat
MEG33 imho the worst month of fighting stemmed from the acctual abuse of the Iraqi detainees. The horrible killing of the Blackwater contractors stemmed from the abuse of the Iraqi detainees combined with the instigation of terrorist in the midst.

That's not correct. If you've read any of the Iraqi blogs you'd know that Fallujah has always been a problem area. Even Saddam couldn't control it. The "abuse" is considered a joke in Iraq. It was mild compared to what went on in Saddam's day. As foul as it was to us, it was nothing compared to what Uday did every day.

297 posted on 05/08/2004 1:36:30 AM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: McGavin999
Why would I kid you, kid?
298 posted on 05/08/2004 1:37:21 AM PDT by tpaine (In their arrogance, a few infinitely shrewd imbeciles attempt to lay down the 'law' for all of us.)
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To: BykrBayb
Yooooooo hooooo...you just PROVED that your reading comprehension skills are dismally abject to nonexistent. It was in MY post,NOT Fledermaus',wherein MY reading comprehension skills of perfection were posted.:-)

Congratulations for exposing yourself for just who and what you are.

299 posted on 05/08/2004 1:39:05 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: All
Little did I know, Hack had already knifed all the young soldiers in their backs several months before I sent him this e-mail. He really revealed who he is-- I don't care what he did on the battlefield, what he just did will make him an enemy of the American military for all time. He has defined who he is--he has put his country in great peril and has given the military a black eye. He has blood on his hands --not just Vietnames, Korean, Japanese, German-- he now has American blood on his hands. Shame on him!
300 posted on 05/08/2004 1:39:16 AM PDT by faithincowboys
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