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GEORGIA U.S. SENATE RACE: Observations from the Gwinnett County Debate
Letters to Editor | 5-2-2004 | UlsterDavy

Posted on 05/02/2004 1:52:18 PM PDT by UlsterDavy

OBSERVATIONS FROM THE GWINNETT U.S. SENATE DEBATE

My wife and I got to the event two hours early. To pass the time, we casually walked around the parking lot and met people coming for the debate. At that time we counted around 30 vehicles with Isakson stickers and around 12 with Cain stickers. Evidently Isakson's supporters were enthusiastic to see their candidate in a debate given the fact that this was to be his first appearance at one out of a total of three in the last two weeks (Johnny was absent at Cobb and Cherokee counties).

We entered the lobby and the first candidate table was that of Johnny Isakson's. Scratch the "enthusiastic" comment I made earlier. These guys looked like they were all hired hands. Stiff, somber and unwelcoming. With multiple events going on at the Gwinnett Center that night, I almost asked one of them if this was the funeral home director convention.

We walked by the Mac Collins and Herman Cain tables and from both we were pleasantly greeted. As time passed by, more people seemed to hover around these two tables. The Cain and Collin’s supporters were clearly more social with each other. The Isakson people tended to stand against the wall looking on.

With about an hour before debate time, Herman Cain walks into the lobby. Fifty people surround him. He talks and listens to some of his supporters. He then gives a short speech which finished with loud applause. Chants of "Cain Cain Cain" echo down the halls of the Gwinnett Center. One of the things he was asked was why he thought it was possible that he could become the next Georgia Senator. He told a story of how the bumble bee was not supposed to fly based on the laws of aero dynamics and physics. “It’s body is too heavy, it’s wing’s are too small, it’s not supposed to be possible” he said. “No one told the bumble bee that it could not fly” he added. This campaign certainly has the buzz.

Unbeknown to me, Mac Collins had entered the lobby at the same time. He hovered around his supporters and stayed and listened to what many of them had to say.

A few minutes later, Johnny Isakson enters the lobby. He greeted a few people. There was no applause, no cheer, no anything. You wouldn't have known he was there. He almost ran through the lobby as if he was a nervous teenager that was late for the prom.

As the debate was about to get underway, we noticed the odd seating arrangements. Each campaign was designated their own sections. The Gwinnett County party managed to place the Isakson supporters right in front of the TV cameras with the Cain and Collins areas to either side. Gwinnett local access TV was recording the event and this was to be shared with CSPAN. WSB radio also recorded the event. Upon closer observation, there was as much (if not more) Cain supporters there as there were Isakson supporters. Collins fans were definitely third.

Johnny Isakson was introduced as "the honorable Congressman” and they failed to do the same introduction for Collins.

Throughout the debate, the Collins and Cain supporters showed a good amount of solidarity. Clearly showing the conservatives in the race.

At one point moderator Dick Williams said that in campaign literature and advertisements, Mac Collins called Johnny Isakson a moderate. When asked to expand on that, Mac Collins said “If the name fits, wear it”.

There was no denial from Isakson on this statement, more like "I've been called that before and I won back then". Isakson and Collins go at it again for a little while longer about “conservative” and “moderate”.

Herman Cain steps in amongst the bickering. “I will tell you how to spell conservative" he says. "C-A-I-N" he said receiving loud applause.

The best discussion of the night came on the issue of taxes.

Collins and Isakson explained that they were for lower taxes. Herman Cain responded firmly saying “With all due respect to my opponents, they are a part of the status quo. They are career politicians, I am a career problem solver. They described ways to put a band-aid on our tax problem. We don’t need to do that. We need to replace it with the Fair Tax”.

When asked if the Fair Tax was a realistic goal in the next ten years, all three candidates agreed. Herman Cain then slam dunked his opponents. “I am glad to hear you say that you support this" he said "but what is taking so long?" he added to loud applause.

Exiting the Gwinnett Center, Cain's people were handing out literature on the rights of the unborn and on the Fair Tax. As I was approached by one of those people she reached her hand out to give me the literature. I pointed at my fresh new Herman Cain sticker, raised my fist in the air and said "I am a believer!"


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: cain; conservative; fairtax; hermancain
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1 posted on 05/02/2004 1:52:19 PM PDT by UlsterDavy
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To: UlsterDavy
Good deal - so I take it you think Cain won the debate? :-)
/s/
2 posted on 05/02/2004 1:57:05 PM PDT by beaureguard (I used to have a handle on life...but it broke off.)
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To: NewLand
For your Cain ping list!
3 posted on 05/02/2004 1:57:47 PM PDT by beaureguard (I used to have a handle on life...but it broke off.)
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To: UlsterDavy
I'm not a Georgia resident (went to college for a year in 1976 at Valdosta State) and so I don't know any of these folks. Where do they stand on the 2nd Amendment and the AWB?
4 posted on 05/02/2004 2:10:07 PM PDT by ExSoldier (When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic. (R.I.P. harpseal))
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To: UlsterDavy
Thanks for the nice report. Watching from CA and am quite interested in how well Cain is doing. I am constantly looking for poll numbers on FR but don't see much. Any info or places I can watch this race more closely?
5 posted on 05/02/2004 2:12:33 PM PDT by TatieBug
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To: UlsterDavy
Are you quoting from "A" lettter to the editor?
Was this "Your" letter to the editor?
To what paper was it written?
And was it actually printed?
Your posting is not clear on these things...
6 posted on 05/02/2004 2:17:54 PM PDT by DefCon
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Conservatives for Cain ping. Lets beat the RINO's somewhere.
7 posted on 05/02/2004 2:18:47 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (yadda, yadda, yadda)
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To: dubyaismypresident
I have heard Cain several times on the Michael Medved show. He would be a wonderful addition to the United States Senate. And he has the kind of upbeat, can-do attitude that might well make it happen.
8 posted on 05/02/2004 2:32:41 PM PDT by TheConservator
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To: beaureguard; AuH2ORepublican; Veritas_est; Jen; UlsterDavy; SittinYonder; mhking; Pan_Yans Wife; ...
((((( THE OFFICIAL HERMAN CAIN PING LIST )))))

FReepMail me if you want to be ON or OFF this list

Go Herman Go! Pray for Herman Cain!

Click Here for the Herman Cain for US Senate Web Site


9 posted on 05/02/2004 3:20:17 PM PDT by NewLand ("I never knew how good Hunt's ketchup was...")
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To: All
See Herman Cain's commercials by clicking below...

Who Is Herman Cain? He believes...

Herman Cain on Taxes...Start Over!

Herman Cain on Hollywood

Herman Cain on The Pledge

Herman Cain on a Balanced Budget

"The Wagon"

10 posted on 05/02/2004 3:21:05 PM PDT by NewLand ("I never knew how good Hunt's ketchup was...")
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To: UlsterDavy
He told a story of how the bumble bee was not supposed to fly based on the laws of aero dynamics and physics. “It’s body is too heavy, it’s wing’s are too small, it’s not supposed to be possible” he said. “No one told the bumble bee that it could not fly”

Very nice. It also appears Mr. Cain can "float like a butterfly and sting like a (bumble)bee."

I also want Cain to win because it may give momentum to Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell, who is African-American, in his quest for the governorship in 2006. This is important because from all appearances Mr. Blackwell is the only non-RINO in the entire state's GOP leadership.

11 posted on 05/02/2004 4:06:13 PM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: dubyaismypresident
As much as I love Cain, I can't help but get the feeling that he will be Georgias "Toomey."
12 posted on 05/02/2004 4:13:10 PM PDT by freeangel (freeangel)
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To: litany_of_lies
I have been saddened that the Ohio GOP has been giving Blackwell leftovers for years. Backing Taft instead of him as governor laft time.

We will see if tey move him ahead of the pack for 2006.

13 posted on 05/02/2004 4:15:13 PM PDT by edeal
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To: freeangel
As much as I love Cain, I can't help but get the feeling that he will be Georgias "Toomey."

If by that you mean backstabbed by the national party in a primary, I fear that too.

14 posted on 05/02/2004 4:17:52 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (in a world gone mad, this all makes sense)
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To: edeal
I have been saddened that the Ohio GOP has been giving Blackwell leftovers for years. Backing Taft instead of him as governor laft time. We will see if tey move him ahead of the pack for 2006.

The Ohio Party will not clear the field for Blackwell, but he will win the nomination in 2006 regardless.

15 posted on 05/02/2004 4:19:15 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (in a world gone mad, this all makes sense)
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To: NewLand; All
“With all due respect to my opponents, they are a part of the status quo. They are career politicians, I am a career problem solver."

Perfect summation, and why we need Herman Cain. Collins and Isakson are not bad guys; but they are tired old Republican retreads with the same old ideas. We need new ideas and fresh approaches to government- at local, state, and federal levels.

16 posted on 05/02/2004 4:37:25 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the TrackBall into the Sunset...)
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To: dubyaismypresident; freeangel
-As much as I love Cain, I can't help but get the feeling that he will be Georgias "Toomey."
-If by that you mean backstabbed by the national party in a primary, I fear that too.

Can't speak for GWB and Rove, but I don't believe this will happen here like in PA bcz:

1. Spector is an incumbent Senator, Isakson is not.
2. POTUS usually campaign only for incumbents during a primary, if at all.
3. Georgia is not "in play"...it will go for Bush, and this seat will go to whoever the (R) nominee is...

17 posted on 05/02/2004 5:02:56 PM PDT by NewLand ("I never knew how good Hunt's ketchup was...")
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To: NewLand
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that you have the right take on this.
18 posted on 05/02/2004 6:18:07 PM PDT by freeangel (freeangel)
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To: DefCon
This was MY letter to various newspapers. It has not been printed yet since it was just written today (Sunday) about an event late last night (Saturday). I have a good track record of getting my letters printed.
19 posted on 05/02/2004 9:07:11 PM PDT by UlsterDavy (Hermanating North Georgia...)
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To: UlsterDavy; TatieBug; All
Good report UD. Wish I could have been there. I'll be at Cain HQ Monday morning, and I expect they are still pumped. What a great bunch of folks to work with. What a great leader.

TatieBug, I wish we had some poll numbers for you, but right now they aren't doing any polling that I'm aware of. Maybe the first of the week (after the first debate with Mr. self proclaimed "front runner" Johnny Isakson). The only two polls I saw were several weeks ago and were paid for by Isakson. Naturally he showed up as a strong first place. In the first one though Mac Collins was in second place, but in the last one Herman Cain was in second.

One thing is abundantly clear from my perspective. Herman Cain has all of the momentum and the other two look like balloons with a slow leak. Isakson and Collins both have the personality of sticks and as a legislator, Johnny Isakson is a pretty good ex Realtor.

20 posted on 05/02/2004 9:32:50 PM PDT by Veritas_est (Truth is)
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