Al Qaeda-Iraqi relationship proven beyond any doubt.

ABC World News Now | 4/27/2004

[Beckwith]

ABC World News Now. April 27, 2004

In an interview broadcast by ABC's World News Now, the leader of the Al Qaeda cell organizing the explosive and chemical attack on the Jordanian security headquarters and the American Embassy in Jordan stated that he received his training from Al-Zawahiri in Iraq, prior to the fall of Afghanistan.

[JohnGalt]

A well armed citizenry with a government policy of tight borders and a decentralized security apparatus would have prevented it, but that is just how I, as a conservative, sees it. Feel free to disagree, it your prerogative.

[WOSG]

Yup. There was reporting on it. Even PBS "frontline" documentaries too ... But I sure smell a rat in the current 'uncurious' behavior of the lamestream media. They have their story, "no reason for war" and are sticking to it until Bush is defeated.

We will NOT get the straight story until after november.

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

It's always amusing to hear them refer to Chalabi the "scoundrel", en route to providing cover for Saddam, the raping, mass-murdering, terrorist-dictator.

[cgk]

Exactly. After reading this thread, I find it easier to let the facts speak for themselves. ;)

[cake_crumb]

"For some reason I have my doubts about this report being true."

Then do research, rather than depend on the media to give you information. Dependence on the media is indicative of the same type of passive mindset that allows dictators to thrive.

There never was any doubt Saddam had connections with al Qaeda. That is, if you've ever studied terrorism, rather than depend on the media for information.

[cgk]

Pair up "Chalabi" and "scoundrel" in Google and see where it comes from. Fun stuff.

[Yaelle]

bookmark bump

[cgk]

Defend America: DoD News & White House Fact Sheet 7/1/03

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White House Fact Sheet
July 1, 2003

"As long as terrorists and their allies plot to harm America, America is at war. We did not choose this war. Yet, with the safety of the American people at stake, we will continue to wage this war with all our might.

"From the beginning, we have known the effort would be long and difficult, and that our resolve would be tested. We know that sacrifice is unavoidable. We have seen victories in the decisive defeat of two terror regimes, and in the relentless pursuit of a global terror network. Yet the war on terror goes on. We will not be distracted, and we will prevail."
President George W. Bush, July 1, 2003

Defeat of Two Terror Regimes

Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan

• Eliminated the repressive Taliban regime
• Denied al-Qaida safe-haven from which to plan, train, and conduct operations

Operation Iraqi Freedom

• Ended a regime that possessed weapons of mass destruction, harbored and supported terrorists, suppressed human rights and defied the just demands of the United Nations and the world
• Stopped Ansar al-Islam, an al-Qaida affiliate, from operating in northeastern Iraq
• Eliminated from Iraq the Abu Musab al-Zarqawi network, which had established a poison and explosives training camp in northeastern Iraq
• Shut down the Salman Pak training camp where members of al-Qaida had trained

[AFPhys]

You are delusional if you think that the President and SoS now maintain there was not sufficient evidence of WMD to go justify, in itself, bashing Hussein. Kay's report (and the continuing follow-on evidence) easily provided all the proof any rational being (leaves out Demodogs, EUrotwits and some Libertarians) could ever ask for of Hussein's continued pursuit of Chem, Bio and nuclear programs.

The only thing the President and the remainder of the administration are left scratching their heads about is the reason for not (yet) discovering stockpiles of expected chemical weapons themselves, though we have found empty warheads to deliver such weaponry.

[As an aside, personally, I suspect that the huge stashes of often camouflaged "pesticides" discovered may in fact constitute those weapons - possibly intentionally created that way for "deniability", possibly due to deterioration for lack of refrigeration or intentional chemical treatment, possibly due to Iraqis not following Hussein's orders, possibly due to intentional or unintentional false reporting the results of the ID tests. Many of those so-called "pesticides" are nearly as potent (within a factor of five or so) as most "chemical weapons", and would constitute a UN-approved device to have chem weapon capability]

No: There has been no denial that the WMD threat was sufficient cause.

Certainly, there has been an attempt by the administration to refocus attention on the other five reasons to smash Hussein which the President stated in the 2003 State of the Union speech (as well as his 2002 address to the UN), as I trumpeted prior to the BASH constituted MY important reasons, but there has been no denial that SH's WMD program in itself was sufficient casus belli.

[Personally, all I need to know is that thousands of Iraqis per month are no longer dying at the hands of that regime.]

[JohnGalt]

LOL, the Feith Memo treasonously "leaked" to the Weakly Standard? Isn't the Weekly Standard for Kerry, now? Are you for Kerry now?

I agree with the Administration that there is no link between Saddam and 9/11 and any "link" between AQ and the Iraq government was through a separate entity called Ansar al-Islam. The nature of the relationship between Ansar al-Islam and Saddam's government was minimal and non-operational.

[cake_crumb]

"Chemical WMD and al-Qaeda, wow, good thing they were in Jordan so the libs/dems can still claim no WMD or al-Qaeda in Iraq"

Look for a "No Smoking Gun" statement from Blixie soon, accompanied by Kay saying there are no stockpiles of WMD in Iraq. Simultaneously, the left will go into full "Bush Lied" cry. Media stories galore will follow, intoning that this raises questions about the president's honesty, and polls saying the American people don't trust Bush, though the poll numbers themselves will appear strangely unchanged.

[texasbluebell]

In an interview broadcast by ABC's World News Now, the leader of the Al Qaeda cell organizing the explosive and chemical attack on the Jordanian security headquarters and the American Embassy in Jordan stated that he received his training from Al-Zawahiri in Iraq, prior to the fall of Afghanistan.

If this connection were a snake, it would bite us.

How much more clear can it be?

[Shryke]

A well armed citizenry with a government policy of tight borders and a decentralized security apparatus would have prevented it, but that is just how I, as a conservative, sees it.

Let's see here - this raises some questions. Number one, how do you know this is correct? Perhaps you can cite an example? Number two, would the above proposal prevent future attacks? Your reference to a dencentralized security apparatus is...well, it's humorous. Please support how something such as that could identify security threats that have been here for years (and no, you cannot state "had our borders been closed in the first place", because that is an "if", not reality).

As far as my priorities being incorrect, I'll repeat myself:

Liberty, free trade, adherence to the Consitution, minimal government, etc., are all great things....and completely useless when you cannot protect yourself.

Mexico isn't knocking down our towers. China...well, China is for a different thread altogether. At least we keep our military compeltely superior to them.

[hosepipe]

[ How do you get through to libs and Euroweinies that they -- Islamist fanatics -- are out to kill as many people as possible? ]

..To them, like to Stalin. One death is a tragedy, a million is just a statistic. Islam and "liberalism" are both death cults but the liberals want it to be to others not them. Stalins attitude was unrestrained liberalism. Thats why he liberally murdered OVER 100,000,000 of his OWN people, some say more. To a liberal logic is reversed in the direct scope of how liberal they are. Stalin was very liberal as was Mao, and Pol Pot. And every Open government except they still have some restraints.

..Thats why liberals and Islamonazis tend to be allies. The Muslims were allied with Hitler. They knew Hitler hated them too, but Hitler hated the Jews, more, they thought. The Muslims haven't figured out yet that the liberals would nuke em all in a New York minute. Its the people the Muslims HATE that care about their lives. If liberals ever get absolute control of the world. The Islamic problem will be solved, not in Islams best interests. One World government will solve the Islamic problem and accurate logic problems too.. Did I say, Liberals have reversed logic to good is bad and bad is good. Ah! yes, I have.

"Liberalism" is not a mental disease its a social pathological disease. The next liberal you run into is not merely a misguided individual but a threat to the fabric of civilization. TOO MUCH you say.. Actually I was being nice. Read between the lines and my real attitude will surface.
How "liberal" are YOU ?. Socialism is only a symptom.

[KC Burke]

Yes. And we know about the airliner fuselage used to train terrorists in Iraq. And the '93 bombers harbored and penisoned in Iraq.

BUT, you do not have actual video footage of Saddam or either one of his sons in the WTC tower with a signaling mirror on the morning of 9/11/01 guiding the airliners to the target. Until you produce the above, nothing else will meet the high standards of the leftist media.

You better have that actual mirror with the fingerprints and DNA on it -- just to be sure.

[JohnGalt]

I don't know that it is correct, I don't believe in utopias either. I do Wilsonianism beget the First World War which beget the Leninst/Stalinist death machine, the Second World War, socialism at home, and the current need for the state to secure new clients in the form of imported alien populations from every corner of the world.

The FBI was trailing at least 8 if not 9 of the hijackers who were in the country illegally. They could not secure permission to arrest them. Having you been following this story or not?

I suggested that your ranking of Iraq as a top security threat is different then mine. It's only logical that you will seek out information, in this case from highly dubious and criminal sources (Chalabi), to buttress your belief system. It certainly suggests positive intentions on your behalf that you make the effort, as opposed to just advocating 'nuking Mecca' however I am only suggesting that you are incorrect. It's much easier to see the world in Rs and Ds, I realize, but patriotic citizens must first protect the country from all enemies foreign and domestic.

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

Pair up "Chalabi" and "scoundrel" in Google and see where it comes from. Fun stuff.

DU-city. Looks like you stumbled upon another lefty buzzword.

[AFPhys]

I believe that Israel obtained a document from their raid on Arafat's headquarters a couple years ago with a note from Hussein promising something like $25,000 to any homicidal bomber's family. They posted an image of it on the net at the time.

[cake_crumb]

Saddam was part of the organized terror network. All organized terror gangs are interrelated. Thus, there was a connection between Saddam and al Qaeda, even without the smoking gun. All the administration had to do was prove reasonable doubt. It screwed up in the beginning, by being side tracked by Saddam's many allies into concentrating on selling WMD.

Of course, if the administration HAD continued highlighting Saddam's career as terrorist funder and exporter, the "Bush Lied" stories we hear all the time would be "there's no proof Saddam was behind 9/11". We do hear those, but not that often. They were started as political preemption, should the administration continue to talk about Saddam's terrorism ties.

Also, there would have been a lot of people asking why the administration appears to be protecting terrorist kingpin Yasser, Saddam's lapdog and right hand poodle...not to mention giving aid to his regime of terrorists. Other questions about other individuals would also have arisen.

[cgk]

No stumbling here. Twas your grace led me to it. Ha!