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It's Offical: On Tuesday,Ohio Board of Education expected to put "doubt" in evolution
The Cincinnati Enquirer ^ | Sunday, March 7, 2004 | Jennifer Mrozowski

Posted on 03/07/2004 10:14:09 AM PST by yankeedame

Sunday, March 7, 2004

Ohio likely to put doubts into teaching of evolution

By Jennifer Mrozowski
The Cincinnati Enquirer

How did life begin? Did everything start with a big bang? Did God create the universe?

Questions like these have been at the center of controversy for nearly a century and Ohio is about to re-enter the debate.

On Tuesday, the Ohio Board of Education is expected to approve model science lessons - including a 10th-grade biology lesson with a critical look at the theory of evolution.

Most board members want to let students debate evolution in science classrooms.

The vote is attracting national attention, as Ohio public schools become the center of the debate on evolution versus "intelligent design."

Prominent organizations like the National Academy of Sciences have opposed the proposed curriculum. Endorsing the lesson plan are groups like the Discovery Institute, a Seattle-based nonprofit think tank. The institute's Center for Science and Culture challenges Darwinian evolution.

Ohio teachers have always been able to critically discuss evolution. But critics of the lesson plan say approval would make Ohio the first state to sanction public-school teaching of intelligent design, the theory that life is so complex that an intelligent being must have played a role in designing it.

Proponents say the lesson plan, which teachers would be expected but not required to follow next school year, simply allows a critical analysis of evolutionary theory.

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"There are some people who are so worried about students inquiring as to how much we know and don't know about the theory of evolution that they would rather have students not question it," said state board member Deborah Owens Fink, an associate professor of marketing and international business at the University of Akron.

Scientists say they don't dispute the need for critical analysis of scientific theories. Rather, some say, this lesson plan sounds too much like creationism, a God-based concept about the creation of life that they say violates the separation of church and state when taught in public schools. They cite Web sites and book references on intelligent design that are incorporated in the lesson plan as resources.

"It's not based in science," said Lynn Elfner, chief executive officer of the Ohio Academy of Science. "The creationists would argue the words 'intelligent design' are not there and that's true, but if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's still a duck."

A national debate

Ohio is the latest state to spar over the teaching of evolution, the theory that all species descended from a common ancestor and that changes occur naturally and over time in life forms.

Science standards and curricula on evolution have drawn fire in recent years in New Mexico, Minnesota, West Virginia, Georgia and Kansas. Just last month, Georgia's top education official dropped plans to remove the word "evolution" from the state's academic standards.

Debate erupted here in 2002 as Ohio began developing new science standards, or concepts that students in grades K-12 are expected to know and be tested on.

People disagreed on how to teach evolution, with some pressing for the inclusion of intelligent design. The state board compromised in December 2002 by including critical analysis of evolution.

In February, the board stated its intent to approve a set of lessons teachers could use to teach the science concepts. The 13-4 vote came after fierce debate and testimony from opposing groups, including the Intelligent Design Network, a national non-profit organization, and the Ohio Academy of Science.

The disputed lesson plan includes suggestions on how to guide students to critically analyze evolution. One lesson suggests a lack of evidence of major evolutionary changes in the fossil record.

However, evolutionists do use fossils as evidence oftransformations of species. They say fossils of transitional forms, like the Archaeopteryx, a reptile-like bird, show how some living forms evolved from earlier forms.

As a way to critically analyze evolution, the lesson plan encourages teachers to suggest that the Archaeopteryx is not a transitional form and that the fossil record instead shows sudden appearances of new biological forms. Critics say that belief is consistent with creationism.

Ohio school board member G.R. "Sam" Schloemer of Wyoming said the 21-page lesson on critical analysis of evolution is based on creationism or intelligent design and doesn't belong in public schools.

"There is no scientific evidence to support" intelligent design and creationism, Schloemer said. "Until Gov. Bob Taft gets involved and tells his appointed board members to forget about this, we will have it here in Ohio.

"That's in contrast to the governors of West Virginia, Texas, and more recently within the last month, the governor of Georgia, who said we are going to teach evolution and we're not going to bring in pseudoscience."

Orest Holubec, Taft's spokesman, said the governor supports the science standards and trusts the board will approve a curriculum based on the standards.

Supporters of intelligent design say the lesson plan does not refer to intelligent design.

"These standards limit themselves to simply addressing criticisms of evolution and I think that's perfectly appropriate," said John Calvert of Shawnee Mission, Kan., managing director of the Intelligent Design Network.

To suggest that evolution is the undeniable explanation for the creation of life is wrong because evolutionary theory assumes an intelligent being did not create life, Calvert said.

"When you ask the question of where does life come from, that unavoidably impacts religion," he said.

But the critical analysis unfairly singles out evolution, which is steeped in evidence and has been tested, said Marc Cron, science department chair for Harrison High School in the Southwest Local School District.

"I think that infers an intelligent design agenda," he said. "Why only have a scientific debate over evolution. Why not over plate tectonics? Why not gravity?"

Debate in class

Some teachers are leery of the proposed lessons, while others say they will continue to address students' questions as they arise.

Bob McMillan, biology teacher at Mount Healthy High School, said he starts his evolution lessons every year telling students he will stick to his area of expertise.

"I feel ill-equipped to teach theories that are not scientific in nature," he said. "If you want to learn about creation, then you need to see a priest, a pastor, a minister or someone more qualified to speak about it."

However, he teaches evolution as a theory and encourages students to critically analyze the theory. He tells students that people have other beliefs on the origin of life, including creationism.

Down the hall from McMillan, Edward Hornsby Jr., a physical and earth sciences teacher - and Evangelical Christian - said he doesn't preach his beliefs to students.

"Students need to be able to choose for themselves. I'm here to inform them but I don't want to push my beliefs on another person," he said.

Hornsby encourages critical analysis of evolution in his classroom.

"I tell them (evolutionary) theory has evidence to support it, but it's not 100 percent fact," he said.

Rick White, an advanced placement biology teacher at Finneytown High School said, "Some of the people making decisions, even at the state level, don't have a clear idea of how science works. In science, theory is something we take very seriously. It has withstood some testing over time. Evolution fits that definition very nicely. There's a huge amount of data suggesting life forms do change over time."

Students have conflicting viewpoints.

"Evolution and intelligent design should both be taught, said Sydney Bostwick, 17, a Norwood High School junior. "It is up to the teachers to teach and inform the students, and it is up to the students to decide what they choose to believe.

"If you only teach evolution, then it's like nothing else exists and that isn't true. After all, science is always changing and what we believe now might not be true 10 years from now."

Other students think intelligent design and religion-based theories on the origin of life should not be allowed in science classrooms.

"The main difference between science and religion is that religion is based on faith and personal belief, while science is based on fact and theory," said Daniel Zimmer, 15, a freshman at Sycamore High School.

"Evolution should be taught in school because it is backed by science. Religion should not enter into it. Saying that you shouldn't teach evolution in school because your religion says differently is like saying that Shakespeare shouldn't be read in school because you disagree with his plot lines."

E-mail jmrozowski@enquirer.com


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Ohio
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To: rdb3
Couldn't the denial of creationist teaching in science be in violation of the XIV Amendment?

How, exactly, is keeping religion out of science a violation of any part of the US Constitution?
61 posted on 03/09/2004 8:19:20 PM PST by Dimensio (I gave you LIFE! I -- AAAAAAAAH!)
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To: yankeedame

No relative of mine.

62 posted on 03/09/2004 8:32:09 PM PST by drq
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To: Dimensio
How, exactly, is keeping religion out of science a violation of any part of the US Constitution?


Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


It is my contention that the purposeful exclusion of the creation argument (which is inherent in the Judeo-Christian ethic) in scientific texts abriges the rights of those who adhere to the creation ethic. This is a violation of Equal Protection.

I don't believe that evolution should not be taught. But to be consistent with the Constitution in my view, both arguments should be laid side by side. With the knowledge that it is the tax payers who fund the schools, how could this not be fair?


Show 'em my motto!

63 posted on 03/09/2004 8:37:59 PM PST by rdb3 (The Servant of Jehovah is the Christ of Calvary and of the empty tomb. <><)
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To: rdb3
It is my contention that the purposeful exclusion of the creation argument (which is inherent in the Judeo-Christian ethic) in scientific texts abriges the rights of those who adhere to the creation ethic.

That's something of a stretch. Is it a violation of a Hindu's religious rights that scientific texts don't contain their particular creation story?
64 posted on 03/09/2004 8:39:54 PM PST by Dimensio (I gave you LIFE! I -- AAAAAAAAH!)
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To: PatrickHenry
Thanks for the ping!
65 posted on 03/09/2004 9:04:50 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: frgoff; js1138; Right Wing Professor
Until then, the dual use is a drain on the organism and will be selected AGAINST.

I concur. In fact, this is why I have two male members, one for urination and one for reproduction, unlike those lesser men with only one dual-use organ. In the future, every male will have two phalluses like me, I expect, as that dual-use trait is surely being selected against.

66 posted on 03/09/2004 9:10:28 PM PST by general_re (The doors to Heaven and Hell are adjacent and identical... - Nikos Kazantzakis)
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Critically analyzed PLACEMARKER.
67 posted on 03/09/2004 9:11:01 PM PST by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: Qwinn
... evolutionary theory is no more based on hard science then intelligent design...

Then how come standard biology can use evolution theory to make predictions about what will and won't be found when DNA is sequenced (and these predictions have always been verified), and ID is incapable of any predictions, let alone ones that consistently turn out true?

Seriously, how can ID amke a prediction? Isn't the hypothetical designer capable of any design? Evolution restricts the possiblities, and it is only these that are found.

68 posted on 03/09/2004 9:59:45 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Qwinn
The only "scientific data" that supports evolution is the similarity in genomes between some different species. That's about it. There is no other observable evidence

This is not true. Darwin didn't have a clue about genetics or biochemistry (in fact he accepted a 'blending' of genetic traits rather than Mendelian rules).

In fact, he used the evidence provided by artificial selection of domestic plants and animals, the homologous structures known to comparative anatomists, the geographic distribution of living and fossil species, the fact of faunal succession in the fossil record, etc.

The measured similarity between the genomes of different species provides a very detailed, independent confirmation of the phylogenetic trees that were already known.

The "scientific data" that supports ID is no less - the actual existence of a structure as complex as the human eye. Evolution fails to provide any answer as to how such a complicated structure could possibly come into place without a non-random, deliberate influence.

this also is false. See here or here to start with. There is a vast literature on this subject.

It would require several different and otherwise purposeless organs to spontaneously come about by random chance in such a configuration as to actually be useful. The odds of such a thing happening by random occurrence arguably 1 in infinity.

No it wouldn't. It simply requires that some configurations be better than others. "1 in infinity"?! Show your calculations, please. Also show that they are the only way things could have happened.

Oh, and you keep claiming I'm "not a scientist". Amusing. How do you know I'm not?

Your failure to do elementary research before posting.

Or is your contention that no Christian can possibly be a scientist?

Christian? What's that got to do with anything?

ID isn't itself a "scientific theory",

True. It is incapable of making predictions and therefor cannot be falsified by any observation. It's vacuous.

You claim that you'd be willing to accept other "scientific" alternatives, but face it, there are none.

True. Therefore, only evolution belongs in science classes.

69 posted on 03/09/2004 10:34:26 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Qwinn
The cornea, the rod, the pupil, the iris... none of which serve any other function. And if any of them were missing, you couldn't see.

False again. You wouldn't see as well without rods, but you wouldn't be blind either (ever hear of night-vision loss from vitamin-A deficiency)

70 posted on 03/09/2004 10:42:49 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Virginia-American
You wouldn't see as well without rods, but you wouldn't be blind either (ever hear of night-vision loss from vitamin-A deficiency)

I knew of someone who was missing either rods or cones in his eyes. He was legally blind, but apparently had good nightvision (so I suspect that it was probably cones, rather than rods).
71 posted on 03/09/2004 11:46:31 PM PST by Dimensio (I gave you LIFE! I -- AAAAAAAAH!)
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To: Dimensio
I knkew a fellow in college who was legally blind because of retinitis pigmentosa. His rods were bsically nonfunctional, but his cones worked. Color vision, fine details, but *very* bad tunnel vision and no night or peripheral vision.

How many times have we seen these all-or-nothing pseudo arguments about evolution? "Inter caecos, regnat strabus"

72 posted on 03/10/2004 12:23:54 AM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Nebullis
I can just hear high schoolers debating evolution now. There's no way they would be able to debate it on it's merits. In fact, I had this debate in my Biology class as a sophomore and in my Physics class as a senior in high school.

It was impossible for the other students to keep religion out of the equation in discussing evolution. They could not debate its scientific merits of believed lack thereof.
73 posted on 03/10/2004 3:52:32 AM PST by ElizabethP
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To: TonyRo76; rdb3
you both missed the memo from the creationist think tanks... You aren't supposed to invoke the bible in these discussions because, as we all know, "Intelligent Design" is the new buzzword, NOT "creationism," which brings to mind the christian creation myth.

We must pretend this has nothing at all to do with Christian creation myths... it's the only way we'll be able to subvert education!
75 posted on 03/10/2004 5:48:22 AM PST by whattajoke
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To: templar
Templar wrote in post 16: "Aging eyes and small computer type faces make it difficult to catch misspellings sometimes..."

30 posts later, Qwinn wrote: " I mentioned vision. Eyesight. The cornea, the rod, the pupil, the iris... none of which serve any other function. And if any of them were missing, you couldn't see. Please, since it's so simple, explain to me how they all evolved.

Instead of describing the rather well understood evolutionary pathway of eyes, which has been posted on FR time and time again, I'd like to put the ball in your court(s), for once.

So, which is it? The human eye evolved over the ages which has given 21st century h. sapiens a multitude of eye ailments such as templar's, "aging eyes..." OR, were our eyes "intelligently designed," which has given 21st century h. sapiens a multitude of eye ailments such as templar's, "aging eyes?"

I guess a third choice is, "I want it both ways," which seems to be the creationist answer to everything in the end.
78 posted on 03/10/2004 6:09:24 AM PST by whattajoke
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To: whattajoke
http://www.bls.gov/cpi/cpifaq.htmYour point?
79 posted on 03/10/2004 6:11:39 AM PST by templar
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To: TonyRo76
But for truth's sake, why must the educational establishment suppress the free discussion of any other beliefs besides Darwin's?

Fair enough. And I'm sure your world view is not so myopic as to think that your particular christian creation myth is the only "competing" idea, right? You could spend all 180 days of the school year with a new "competing" myth and still have plenty to spare. You could call that class, "Comparative religion," or "World Cultures" or some other PC-friendly tripe.

Meanwhile, down the hall in biology class, the youth of today will still be taught that thing called science, which has NOTHING at all to do with creation of any sort, or supernaturalism. Pretty simple solution, no?
80 posted on 03/10/2004 6:14:00 AM PST by whattajoke
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