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Vanity | Feb. 11, 2004 | Nix Two

Posted on 02/07/2004 4:31:25 PM PST by Nix 2

Gotta tell you something, people. Other than listening to the demons wail about the deficit, what difference has it made in any of your lives? None. Interest rates have not gone up. The Medicare reform bill has the rats climbing the wall because it is the first step towards its OWN slow death. Even G-d kept the Jews wandering in the wilderness until the whole generations of them that knew slavery were dead. So now, seniors have a prescription program and younger workers will have private health accounts. It took the dems a gazillion years to try to make everyone in the USA a slave to government and take over US healthcare bit by bit. This year it would have been fully government run if Gore had made it to Pennsylvania Avenue. Bush is unraveling their dream of the world under Marx.

Are you watching the teachers' union howling at the moon? They can't teach, so they blame the kids for not being able to learn. Bush gave them their chance. They are blowing it big-time. The more they try and steal our kids, the harder we fight, and the more they scream. But it will have its end and it will be under a Bush presidency. We need good minds to have better goals. No one knows that better than he does. The dems are freaking out over *No Child Left behind* because if a teacher can't teach, he/she has got to go. The dems would protect these stupid, moneygrubbers at any cost including the cost of your children's education.

Privatization of ALL healthcare is paramount if we are to maintain the best healthcare system in the world. The dems have run doctors out of practice, turned insurance companies into beancounters, claimed that pharmaceutical companies, which have given us virtually many more years to live, vile, filthy creatures who stalk the weak and the poor. Now, the first step back towards freedom is being looked at and whined about as if you so-called conservatives were personally wounded and the bleeding will never stop. The truly wounded are the democrats who see their phoney, dark, delusional world exposed to the unforgiving light of the truth. They are losing...but will you give credit? This is too pathetic. Do you let others do your thinking now?

What exactly about the immigration reform has you so riled up? You are jumping to so many bogus conclusions, I don't even know where to start. You call it amnesty, and I ask you WHEREIN lies the amnesty? Is it not a fact that no illegal will be able to get a job unless Americans expressly turn it down? And is it not further fact that Americans will receive better training for BETTER jobs because SOMEBODY believes that we have better brains and can learn better skills to come up with better ideas, instead of having the sugah-daddy dems giving everyone handouts and more unemployment compensation so they WOULDN'T go back to work. Don't you realize that only prolonged the recovery, not helped it, or me, or you? Do you realize that maybe, just maybe, some of the jobs illegals take right now will henceforth be open to our American teenagers who lost them to 40 and 50 year old illegals flipping burgers, training jobs, entry level jobs, jobs that taught our kids what it meant to have a work ethic and some responsibilty so they can stop expecting us to spoil them half to death. If they want a $150.00 pair of silly shoes, let them but them themselves. If they want a car, a little hard work never hurt anyone. Or has it truly escaped you that Americans First means young Americans as well? THIS takes a generation as well but like liberals everywhere, yesterday seems to be much too late. Well, where were you when all these things were building up? I asked someone a few years ago, right here on this board. He said "Sure, I think about it, but...I have a family and can't afford to do the right thing.

Now, Bush does the right thing, depriving no one of anything, and the crocodile tears are starting to make Conservatives look more and more like the libs with their hands constantly extended.

Are you stopping in your misplaced anger at President Bush to realize that terrorists damaged us in an excruciating way, but if Gore, or any of his ilk would have been president, they would have seized on that moment to finalize their control over us in ways that should make you thank the Lord for Bush. Gun control would be a gun ban period. We would probably be under martial law, our government would be gone, and our soldiers would be patroling OUR streets while Bin Laden was enjoying French hospitality. The Islamist State Department would be busily going about installing some form of sharia law by now. Do you want to be Canada? Then go the hell there and stop calling yourselves conservatives, because you ain't.

If you were truly conservatives, you would be stopping to think about the freedom you DIDN'T lose. We are at war. They aren't here, WE are there. You would realize that fully one fourth of the US was on fire almost at the same time. We've had megafloods. The Clinton Administration cooked the Stockmarket books to give the illusion of prosperity. Bush has unraveled the tangled yarn and then some. Do you think that was cheap? Do you realize that President Bush rolled back many of the insane enviroweenie laws that caused all that, and because of it, logging can happen again. Oil drilling can begin again. Care will be taken to stop the kind of corrupt and corrupted opposing environmental laws that did nothing to help the environment, but it sure helped to line the pockets of the UN believers of the world and their science of unreality and fishy fantasy.

Are you so nonsatisfiable that you don't realize that the man from Texas stood and faced down the UN so that they can't even get a paragraph ratified because he has them running in circles and has not much to do with the terrorists and crooks who run the damb place.

We have a good man as President. He will be even better with a bigger majority in the House and Senate. Anyone else who is, or might run, will NEVER be able to accomplish what Bush has already accomplished, and he isn't done yet...and there is NO SUCH THING as instant gratification. All that leads to his horrors down the road...like Medicare was before this reform.



TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Miscellaneous; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: deficit; democrats; fauxconservative; fuzzylogic; illegals; jobs; kyoto; medicare; navelinthinker; pathetic
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To: dyno35
I spelled out clearly what I was saying and that it came from someone that I know's personal experience.

I spelled it out pretty Kerrying clearly IIRC.

701 posted on 02/08/2004 6:48:55 AM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy!)
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To: dyno35
"I mean, there is not even a "county education bureacracy" in my part of the country."

Maybe not in Bucks County. In Baltimore county there sure as heck is.

702 posted on 02/08/2004 6:50:11 AM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy!)
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To: MEG33
My dear,there IS a difference beween no concern,not interested and not honed in on!

Certainly. My opinion was that if you plan to be alive in 2008, you should be "honed in on". I have no doubt that you are interested and concerned.

But interest and concern without application are useless states of mind, and under those conditions lack of application could be interpreted as neglect.

703 posted on 02/08/2004 7:04:42 AM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: William Terrell
Indeed,point taken.
704 posted on 02/08/2004 7:07:12 AM PST by MEG33 (BUSH/CHENEY '04)
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To: B4Ranch
Interesting thread.

More educational. This thread shows the effect when the koolaid is made to strong.

705 posted on 02/08/2004 7:39:39 AM PST by Missouri
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To: Missouri
This thread shows the effect when the koolaid is made to strong

And Missouri, resident expert on the subject, gives his/her expertise on the subject, from previous and current experience.

706 posted on 02/08/2004 7:47:16 AM PST by Dane
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To: Nix 2
Common sence wake up call
707 posted on 02/08/2004 7:59:46 AM PST by ezo4
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To: Thumper1960
How about homo promo in the public schools. My kids are now dealing with this.

I call that an attack.

708 posted on 02/08/2004 10:28:27 AM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy! I'm happier than a pig in excrement.)
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To: TigersEye
Since when is the Bill of Rights now the Bill of Needs?
709 posted on 02/08/2004 10:47:03 AM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy! I'm happier than a pig in excrement.)
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To: TigersEye; Lazamataz; NYC GOP Chick
What have you got against lollipops?

;-)


710 posted on 02/08/2004 10:53:28 AM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy! I'm happier than a pig in excrement.)
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To: Dane; Jim Robinson
I think the use of the derogatory 'unappeasable' slur needs at least a time out around here.

My opinion.

In a sentence, as a descriptor of one individual's actions, the word itself certainly has usefulness.

But as it, and certain other words and phrases, such as 'principled conservatives' have come to be used by some here, it is despicable and lying propaganda...a broadbrush condemnation, a net cast wide catching all conservatives, the lowest form of innuendo and insult.

It's offensive.
711 posted on 02/08/2004 11:44:54 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
Are we to become more like the liberals we say we oppose and have our own speech code? I hope not.

This should suffice, if rigorously enforced: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.

712 posted on 02/08/2004 12:27:13 PM PST by kristinn
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To: EternalVigilance
Are you asking that the terms "unappeasable and principle/s" not be used on FR?

Is FR a forum for discussing our views or would you prefer that it become a rally forum without debate of the issues? Yes, I do agree that personal attacks and slurs have become much too common on FR, but this is a matter which Jim and the moderators have been attempting to solve, without much success. Emotions rather than calm discussion have taken over most of the 'hot issues'.

Many have locked their brains into 'what I believe is the truth and every other idea is false therefore the poster is a liar."

This attitude will bring our entire country down, not just FR.

713 posted on 02/08/2004 12:37:18 PM PST by B4Ranch ( Dear Mr. President, Sir, Are you listening to the voters?)
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To: kristinn
That's not what I mean.

What I mean is that the way these words are being used by certain folks are being used as tools to cast aspersions on all conservatives.

It's really not that subtle.

They should at the very least be met with scorn from those who believe in honest debate.
714 posted on 02/08/2004 12:51:45 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: B4Ranch
I agree with you.

And no, I don't want FR to be a rally forum. That's why I wasted hours of my life last night on this thread.
715 posted on 02/08/2004 12:53:33 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
It is no more or less offensive than those who as you say toss around the "principle" phrase.


Sticks and stones and all that.
716 posted on 02/08/2004 12:56:57 PM PST by Neets (I always feel like somebody's watching me.~)
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To: Neets
Certainly those who claim principled conservatism as their own and don't demonstrate it open themselves up for derision.

But the conservative-bashers have picked it up as one of the tools they use to deride conservatives every day around here now.

That's wrong.

It is a direct attack on what FR is all about: principled conservatism.

What they are really promoting is unprincipled liberalism, or at the very least political hackdom.
717 posted on 02/08/2004 1:05:15 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: MEG33
"Their disapproval of his record is more important than allowing a lefty Kennedy loving John Kerry to win the Presidency.

I don't ask them to like Bush,certainly not to love Bush.I ask simply for their help in protecting the nation against the democratic take over of the oval office.There IS a difference."

===

Well said.

718 posted on 02/08/2004 1:13:41 PM PST by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: EternalVigilance
You're still asking for a speech code. The problem is the attitude behind the words. Bullying and browbeating occurs on all sides of the 'what is a conservative today' arguments. There's not much one can do about that except try to not be a bully or a browbeater and stand up to those who are.
719 posted on 02/08/2004 1:17:10 PM PST by kristinn
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To: tgslTakoma
The excellent original post was meant to make people THINK.

REAL conservatives would NOT even consider helping a RAT get elected.

Those who keep criticizing Bush, and are agitating other to not vote or vote for a third party, might as well put on a "Vote for Kerry" button, because that is exactly what they are doing. And those who are working to get Kerry elected are NOT conservatives in any sense of the word.

PERIOD.

As the old story goes, you can take a pig, put lipstick on her and call her Josephine, it's still a hog.

People can run around, claiming to be conservatives, but when their actions help the Democrats, they are NOT conservatives, deptie their protestations.
720 posted on 02/08/2004 1:19:11 PM PST by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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