Soviet Army fought UFOs

Pravda ^ | 1.23.04 | Alexander Dremin

[mhking]

Soviet military encountered many UFOs, maybe for this reason in the end of the 60s a secret laboratory of researching "flying objects" was created in the USSR.

UFO researchers often blame the military of hiding the cases of alien rockets and disseminating false information of UFO. Army officers are not interested in the disputes about alien civilizations, they are interested in knowing what impact UFO can impose to military equipment and personnel.

1947. Antiaircraft guns of Transcaucasian Military District fired on the flying cigar-shaped object which came from the side of the Turkish border. The object"s flying altitude was below 4,000 meters, and the guns were capable of reaching a target at the altitudes up to 12,000 meters, but that time the fire made no harm to the "cigar". Then the cigar increased its speed and flew away over the mountains.

This incident could cause much trouble, because earlier the border guards and military ships monitoring service missed this target. Then the military was unable to trace this flying object over the country"s territory. The Border District command ignored and ordered the monitors not to disclose the information that the object reached a speed up to 2000 kilometers per hour.

Similar case took place in 1984 in Turkestan Military District. Near the city of Astrakhan air-defense system marked the ball-shaped object flying at the altitude of 2000 meters along the Caspian seashore in the direction of the state border. The object did not respond to the inquiry made by the military on the radio. Two fighter-planes took off, but they were unable to bring the object down. After being under fire, the object descended up to 100 meters, and at this low altitude the planes were unable to continue firing. Despite being fired at, the object was having a regular speed. The ball passed over several military units, which allowed to make its photo. Near the city of Krasnoyarsk the military tried to bring the object down with the helicopter.

However, it quickly increased its altitude so that the helicopter could not reach it. After firing all its supply of shells, the helicopter landed, and the ball abruptly flew in the direction of the sea and disappeared from the radar screens.

In the same area the similar scenario case happened later. The object having the shape of cylinder demonstrated its invulnerability.>

Such a demonstration could be the purpose of its flight, because this UFO was having a speed of 100 kilometers per hour.

One can blame the military of inhuman actions on bringing down flying objects. But what can they do if the object was moving in the direction of the state border and they had the order to destroy such objects?

In 1985 near the town of Krasnovodsk the radar station under the command of Captain Valuev registered the disc-shaped object in size of 1,000 meters! The object was immovable, and some time later a small disc in size of 5 meters flew out of it and then landed on Krasnovodskaya spit. Patrol boats rushed to that area, but when they reached the distance of 100 meters from the object, it took off and flew one kilometer away. This happened five times. Then the object flew up at a huge speed, reached the bigger disc, which finally flew away spaceward.

In the end of the 60s a secret laboratory of researching "flying objects" was created in the USSR. Among the laboratory"s tasks was researching anti-gravitation, but the research results were made secret. Its testing area was near the town of Kapustin Yar on purpose. In the end of June of 1971 the military could see over this area a black cigar-shaped flying object floating under the clouds at the altitude of 800 meters. The object was 25 meters long and had about 3 meters in diameter. It had neither stabilizers nor wings nor engines and was moving at the speed of 150 kilometers per hour producing no noise.

In 1978 ЦНДС Soviet Ministry of Defense accepted Network MO program. Special military unit in the town of Mytishi was in charge of collecting data, and newly established "space troops" were designated to fight possible threat from space.

In the beginning of August 1987 five soldiers of Leningrad Military District went to the North of Karelia region on a special mission. They were required to guard the object of unknown origin. It was found on the territory of another military unit near the town of Vyborg. The item was 14 meters long, 4 meters wide, 2.5 meters high. The object had neither doors no hatches, and all attempts to open its hull were unsuccessful. The military tried to break off some object parts, but were only able to take some rods from its stern. In the end of September the object disappeared from the hangar without leaving a trace.

[Quix]

We shall see.

[Quix]

Not at all taken out of context.

Haven't you heard the speech it was in?

[_Jim]

Coast to Coast transcript:

THAT says it all brother: Truly Art Bell class!

I NOTE you cite NOTHING by the IEEE (and any of it's numerous societies) or any other professional organization. (Do you even KNOW who the IEEE is?)

[_Jim]

Haven't you heard the speech it was in?

All I know is: you're a true believer in this garbage and I'm going to bed!

In reality, guys like me need guys like you; you buy our our products and contract our servcies ... eventually!

[Quix]

Yes, I know IEEE.

They will be cited in due course, as I understand it.

[Quix]

No. I'm not a true believer in the classical sense on this at all.

I'm a true believer about Christ's deity, Blood, power, Spirit, The Father . . .

Not a lot else.

I HAVE collected puzzle pieces about UFO's and a long list of other fascinating topics most of my life. My relative working around them was just one of many sources.

Given all the disinformation, smoke and mirrors, it's difficult to say what will eventually fall off the shelves as valid, authentic etc.

But, I've read and talked to enough characters, I'd say with a significant amount of confidence and peace about it, that a LOT more will fall off the shelf as valid than you seem capable of imagining at this point. It would be great to see the look on your face when it does.

[Quix]

BTW,

IF

you are not aware of the RELIGION OF SCIENCE and the resulting fossilized rigidity and blindness . . .

then you are more blind than you think I am.

[janetgreen]

Thanks Quix for the fascinating article. I also await the Disclosure Project in its entirety.

[endthematrix]

747 service ceiling 35,000 ft
U-2 service ceiling 70,000 ft

[Las Vegas Dave]

Just after 9-11, I copied a gif from a Japanese web site with the UFO passing by the WTC just as plane #2 hits the building, this is the same video that was on the DRUDGE web site, but lesser known is the video taken from the opposite direction from a different angle some distance away, at (apparently) the same time.

The second video I copied on my hard drive, and just found it last night. I just reviewed that video and all I could find was the name of the maker of the gif, a Nobuhiro Hattori. I did a search on Google and there are lots of hits with his name, but not much luck, I then searched Google with "wtc ufo" and found the Japanese site. (I did not download the Japanese translation that Microsoft suggested, so I was unable to read the text.)

http://www2.justnet.ne.jp/~kiti/Ufo/wtc/wtc.htm

When you click on it will take a few minutes to load (on a dial-up modem) but well worth the wait.

Near the top of the page is video #1, scroll about half way down, you will see the second video on the left, and a still photo to the right of it, (the still photo has the path of the ufo plotted with small red dots on it, you can't miss it). At the end of the web site are photo's of Japanese newspapers with "WTC UFO" in English.

Very interesting stuff! I remember this first video was on FR and the usual debunkers were there, I posted that I estimated the speed of the moving blur in video 1 as around "....3000 to 5000 mph with NO SONIC BOOM reported that I am aware of", of course some of the debunkers commented.

[Quix]

HHHHHMMMMMMMMM CURIOUS.

I read the rest of my posts of Greer last night in bed.

I don't know if he's now talking about a different unit than I'd read about or if I remembered a projected schedule as though more of it were accomplished. I don't know which documents my memory was referring to. I think it was one of his more recent books. Will eventually try and check it out.

odd.

[Quix]

Sure.

I suspect that Greer and the Disclosure project are also somewhat pawns of the puppet masters to the ends that Werner Von Braun alluded to.

I'm still skeptical that all the ET's are as benign as Greer evidently believes them to be.

Nevertheless, I think Greer has a good heart and is accomplishing more toward getting this surfaced than the next 1,000 try hards have achieved.

I have a lot of respect for him. An MD doesn't leave a practice like his for a fly by night crazy obsession.

[Quix]

Thanks.

Interesting.

[_Jim]

you are not aware of the RELIGION OF SCIENCE

AND you would be wrong on that point ...

I've got devices (actual working physical devices or 'product') that I created ('invented' if you will) that defied the 'conventional' thinking (by the masses, or at least the 'masses' that know about and use such devices) at the time of their introduction.

I arrived at their derivation by thinking outside the box BUT within the established, WELL KNOWN AND PROVEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN laws of physics.

We have a saying, those of us that work with "nature's laws" that we have discovered, and proven time and time again:

   There is no cheating nature at her own game.

You can work with her you cannot work against her and make up your own rules.

People like you have no appreciation for actual lab work that either proves or disproves various wild-eyed 'theories' proposed by crackpots - which brings me to the second saying:

   The proof is in the pudding.

Which means - WHEN you build something, it either it works or it doesn't, and to date NOTHING in the way of 'free energy' or Zero point energy has EVER been proven possible.

Splitting the atom (HAVE you forgotten about this equation: E=MC²) HAS been proven to be the CLOSEST thing to 'free energy' that mankind has ever seen ...

[Quix]

Interesting.

Will need to view more carefully when I have moare time.

Thanks.

[Quix]

It must feel very safe and secure to be soooooo

convinced

that you have THE pristine, comprehensive, 100% accurate

construction on reality.

I understand your logic and consider it plausible to a point.

I don't believe your position explains a sufficient percentage of what seems to be 'out there.'

[Quix]

Your assessment of my IQ

and general levels of stupidity are not

admirable constructions on reality at all, from my perspective.

[_Jim]

It must feel very safe and secure to be soooooo

You're bordering on being an idiot.

Here you sit BEHIND a computer BASED on technology that was enabled by the very laws that you now poo poo ...

That, my friend is displaying "pure and sheer idiocy".

[r9etb]

Dang -- I'd never seen Rense's site before..... What a whackjob.

[aruanan]

Posting VOLUMES of material 'claiming' discoveries means nothing; either show us the beef and let experiments be 'performed' by legitimate scientists and researchers with *real* lab-equipment or risk being labeled a perennial crackpot - to date, this has not happened.

If you read the history of scientific progress, _Jim, you'd show a bit more humility. Your definition of "legitimate scientist" and "real lab-equipment [sic]" wouldn't happen to be "a scientist whose results fail to give support to such a notion" and "equipment such a scientist uses to obtain null results"?

Remember that from the time that dynamos were first invented (Faraday, 1831) to the time when they became more than 50% efficient (Edison, late 1870's) was almost 50 years. But it took only about half that time for scientific opinion to have taken what was then observed on state-of-the-art equipment and sclerosed it into the immutability of natural law. Edison said that he was going to make a dynamo with an efficiency that was greater than 90%. The rest of the scientific world said that anything greater than 50% was against the laws of nature.