Regarding Freeper Obit. TrappedInLiberalHell and Depression

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[joesbucks]

The problems of depression and despair.

[ru4liberty]

The name was changed from NitaNuprez to NitaNupress.

Nita, love your profile page, you stinker!!

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

I agree that noble isn't a word I would generally use in relationship to suicide, but I think some of the at-a-distance judgment on this thread (words like "selfish" and "cowardly" being tossed about) is just a lot of people talking out of their asses, to be honest.

I don't know why TILH felt driven to do this, and it's not my place to speculate. What I do know is that some people who end their lives do it because they believe (often wrongly) that they are a burden to others.

My point is that people often go on and on, expressing strong opinions, based on very little detailed information and experience.

Ironically, that seemed to be one subtext of Arne's post.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

My brother had an IQ in the genius range. I have learned in recent years that he was one of the engineers involved in the early development of the Tomahawk Cruise Missile.

[At _War_With_Liberals]

"but I will not respect or lionize him for not dealing with that situation."

Who asked you to? Your assertion of him 'not dealing with it'(that weak little bitch took the easy way out, and I'm more than willing to condemn him for it, when he is not even buried yet) is disingenuous, arrogant and evil.

Only you could make this issue and this boy a target of criticism, and use other people's posts as an excuse to bash him.

You are here to call him an ignoble coward. Your posts are clear.

[Willie Green]

A question, Yeti, is suicide a noble act or not?

Dane, get off your high-horse.
I don't see anybody praising TILH's suicide as a "noble" act.
OTOH, your repetitive attempts to imply that that's what people are doing is nauseatingly characteristic of your habit of trolling for flame wars. Show some sense of common courtesy for a change.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Dane, honestly - suicide is not necessarily "the ultimate act of selfishness". Each situation is different. Unless you know what TILH's reasoning was, what his pain was about, please don't refer to it that way. We just don't know.

[hopespringseternal]

They certainly are not religious in nature, as I am an agnostic.

Christians are often so quick to credit their good times and moods to their beliefs and assume that no other belief or philosophy offers those feelings.

The truth is that you can derive moods and feelings from anything.

I believe, but I don't imagine that all that transpired was so that I could be in a good mood.

[KangarooJacqui]

Thanks for throwing my name in the "reply to", there. NOT. Excuse me, but what were you thinking? I am TILH's widow, which you'd know if you bothered to read the other thread. How exactly are your thoughts on this supposed to be relevant to me at a time when I'm extremely vulnerable?

I hadn't seen this thread nor been aware of its existence up until now.

I certainly didn't need to see this thread right now.

You're the one who alerted me it was here. Sorry, how again did you think it was supposed to help my state of mind?

[TASMANIANRED]

"Race, you are part of the problem with your "trust in God alone" nonsense. Someone reading this thread who needs medication should feel absolutely no shame in seeking it. In fact, medication is what God wants them to turn to.
"

No need to be so judgemental here.

Depression is multifactoral and it is not necessarily simply chemical.

Don't mean to lecture here but here goes.
The chemicals in question here are Dopamine and Serotonin.
Most of the newer antidepressants, paxil, zoloft, seroquel act on Serotonin. Some people who have been clinically depressed all of their lives may in fact have fewer transmitters. Most people have had down regulation due to life events. Drugs can do it (estasy being one).

Usually depression follows a major life event like a death or loss of a job , temporary grief is normal but when the "feelings of helplessness, worthlessness" move in and take over , this is where the spiral really accelerates. Deep and abiding faith can play a very big role here, and it can be very helpful. I am not a florid Christian that can quote scripture here but Depression is some serious soul work and cooperating with God here can help you make some serious life changing movements.

Drugs can be a very important in helping someone get through the badness when it is acute but unless you are one of those people who are chemically inbalanced from birth , depression is a great opportunity for growth.

In my own personal experience My mother had been diagnosed with cancer, I was totally devoted to my job and very much over invested, a difficult marriage. At the time my mother was succoming to the disease, a major upheaval and change in management made it mandatory for me to walk away from the job. I spun into a hellish depression. Thoughts of suicide were my escape hatch. I asked myself 15 times a day is it so bad that I have to open that door and leave. Just knowing that I had the option made it easier to stay.


Now many years later I know bad things happen for good reasons if you use your opportunities. The job I walked from was going nowhere, leaving the job gave me the opportunity to physically care for my mother the last month and a half of her life. I poured much love into my mother and we talked a lot. It hurt like hell but 20+ years later I am happy that I did it. I don't have any unresolved issues with Mom. Surrendering to the power of God in my life led me back to school and as a result I have been in nursing for over 20 years now. One of the hardest jobs I have ever loved.

My marriage got remarkably better , I found out my biggest problem was I was so busy being super competent and self sufficient that I was proving I didn't need him. I got to the point where I couldn't do anything and because of that helplessness I allowed him to carry me. Great trust has grown from that. I also know I am not complete in an of myself. I need to give love, I need to receive it .

My professional field is drugs of every variety. Antidepressants is a significant measure in the treatment of depression but it is not the only one. Faith is another. Talk therapy is extremely useful as well. Service to others is profoundly useful also. You can always find someone who has made a lemonade out of lemons, and you can always find someone who's situation makes your problems look like chump change. One of the most important parts is rejecting the concept of victim.

Victims can only stand by and let things happen to them. When you acknowledge that you always have choices even if it is your attitude you are making progress.

[At _War_With_Liberals]

I met an extremely enlightened person who made mental illness and all the surrounding issues very clear to me. He changed my thinking entirely on the subject.

[prairiebreeze]

Thank you for sharing your story and your insights. You're right, our minds and thoughts are very powerful. And we are ultimately in control of how we direct them and what we let into our lives. It took me a long time to understand that. I still have to remember sometimes to take responsibility for some of my moods etc.

Your story brought a couple things to mind. The hymn "What a Friend We Have In Jesus" was one of my mom's favorites, and the line in it "oh what needless pain we bear, all because we do not carry everything to God in prayer".

Ralph Waldo Emerson also wrote this:

Finish every day and be done with it; you have done what you could.

Some blunders and absurdities no doubt crept in; forget them as soon as you can.

Tomorrow is a new day; begin it well and severelyy and with too high a spirit to be combered with your old nonsense.

This day is all that is good and fair. It is too dear, with it's hopes and invcitationsk to waste a moment on the yesterdays.

May you and your family have a blessed Christmas and New Year!

Prairie

[At _War_With_Liberals]

"is nauseatingly characteristic of your habit of trolling for flame wars. Show some sense of common courtesy for a change."

Exactly. To troll on this issue for enjoyment is contemptible.

[Yeti]

question, Yeti, is suicide a noble act or not?

No, of course not, at least not under the vast majority of circumstances. But I don't think we need to choose between villification and lionization here. What happened was bad, and a shame, and his family is left with a burden for a legacy. You're right about all that.

But *obviously* severely depressed people are not thinking rationally, and don't make the ethical choice in their right mind. Grief unchecked can become very intense, almost like a protracted physical pain, like being on fire. Thinking can become like the delerium of someone who has been running a high fever for a long time.

You should be careful how you judge such things, lest you have occasion to learn better by experience. None of us knows the details, and that's where "the devil is," I'm told.

People who are turbulently depressed should seek help, either medically or otherwise.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

But the cliche to 'get over it and move on' is simply a fallacy.

I agree with this. Some people can't. All they see in front of them is a lifetime of pain, and burdening those around them.

Another thing to consider:

I mentioned before that my brother was paranoid schizophrenic. He heard voices. The voices told him to murder a member of my family. In a moment of lucidity, he admitted that to my parents. Maybe part of the reason he wanted to die was so his illness wouldn't cause him to harm anyone else - I don't know.

Some people are really oversimplifying this issue, and it's painful to read.

[At _War_With_Liberals]

For some, it is an act of selfLESSness.

[Yeti]

Yeah, what she said.

[steve86]

Wish I could help you finish that Lancair. I sold my plane and took up R/C Helicopters, in part because of similar life problems. The models will sometimes sit for months because I don't have the energy to work on them, but I eventually find it and the experience is satisfying. My "status" now comes from these moments, prayer, and my grandchildren who adore me, not from professional prestige.

Outpatient treatment for depression would not necessarily be disqualifying for security clearances. You'd be surprised how many of your former co-workers openly take SSRIs or other antidepressants and maintain their clearances. The same goes for politicians.

Although many of your problems are situational, you are too eager to deny a biochemical component. If you absolutely refuse to seek medical treatment, you should at least try 5-HTP, over-the-counter and one of the Trytophan chemicals. Works very similarly to the SSRIs in me. Have your wife keep a private diary of any changes in your mood/behavior, because it can be difficult to judge on your own. Take the doses exactly according to the manufacturer's instructions.

[KangarooJacqui]

You obviously DON'T sympathise, because this is one of the most callous things I've had the misfortune to read here.

Oh, and there's also the little fact that you don't seem to care how your remarks are affecting his very deeply shellshocked family.

[KangarooJacqui]

I suffer from manic depression. I'd welcome the chance to discuss the issues of mental illness and suicide with someone who obviously has far more of a clue about those issues, than some on this thread.

[TheSpottedOwl]

ArneFufkin: This account has been banned or suspended. That may bring some people out of their depressions.

What the hell crawled up his ass, anyway? Maybe this subject hit a nerve :-(