Supreme Court Handing Down Ruling in Campaign Finance Reform (main parts upheld)

FOX News | 10 Dec 2003 | FOX News

[July 4th]

Reports that main portions of McCain-Feingold are now being upheld! People currently wading through a decision of over 300 pages.

[Revel]

" What say you, BillyBob? Is killing babies "

No I did not say that. And I hope that he is never in position that I would have to feel that way. When it comes to the Constitution He is almost always right. He is tuff and not afraid to say what he believes. He is actually a very good person to have on our side. I just have that one issue that is pretty important to me. I know a guy who is a Christian and he was a history teacher. He had the same views as Bob. He was not for abortion. He just did not think that we had the constitutional right to stop it. Someone finally convinced him that the declaration of independence did give us the responsibility to protect the unborn. He has different views now. But That Aside I can't help but like Bob and respect him.

[nicmarlo]

Thank you, CB. Count me in as contributing; ping when needed. I am, proudly, an American citizen! : )

[4CJ]

But as I understand it he is not pro-choice. I need the peace of knowing that any new USSC apointie puts a high vaule on innocent life. It is a core issue with me. And it is gurarnteed by the decleration of independence.

Not pro-choice (supports abortion) = pro-life. And I too place a high value on innocent human life - human since conception. Abortion simply as a means of birth-control is murder.

[tpaine]

Malcontent?
-- How weird you think I'm unhappy. Hyping FR's hypocrites is me hobby...

[Congressman Billybob]

No, "killing babies" is not okay. But I take a position which I believe correct that winds up angering both sides on the issue of abortion. To wit:

The US Constitution is absolutely silent on the subject of abortion. On the other hand, that has been part of the criminal law of all jurisdictions going back to the English common law. It is up to every state to determine its own criminal law.

So if North Carolina, New York, and Nevada reach different decisions on the subject, that is permitted by the US Constitution.

I know that answer will displease some people, perhaps even both of you. But I always start any discussion of political basics with the plain language -- or lack of language -- of the Constitution on that subject.

John / Billybob

[Diva Betsy Ross]

I don't like it.. but I guess I will have to accept it. Your argument does make sense.

[Revel]

Please see post 1597.

[Carolinamom]

I'll be honored to be one of those 999. Just let me know when and where to sign and contribute.

[Revel]

John,

Can you tell me what weight you give the declertaion of indepedance? And the right to life.

Thankyou

[PhiKapMom]

Please ping me as well on anything you write about CFR. I would much prefer to see what your take is on this deal then what I am reading on here or hearing on TV!

Thanks!

[Howlin]

Sure is easy to tell by reading this thread who the true conservatives are, vs who the the GOP hacks and operatives are.

Meaning?

[Hoverbug]

Meaning?

Exactly what it said. Hb

[FreeReign]

The US Constitution is absolutely silent on the subject of abortion.

There's no right to life in the Constitution?

[Revel]

"You should have been fighting against this before Bush ever signed this. Then he might not have signed it, and He, you, and all of us would not be in the position that we are in now. Ever thought about that. We can run away from our principles, but the consequences of doing so will always catch up to us." Posted by Revel


"Who in the HELL do you think you are to question what I have or have not done about any legislation? posted by Howlin



"I said that the SC would rule parts of it unconstititutional. I was wrong. So were a lot of other people." Posted by Howlin


And you also tried to discourage anyone from fighting it at the time. You just essentially admitted what I said.

[Spiff]

So if North Carolina, New York, and Nevada reach different decisions on the subject, that is permitted by the US Constitution.

Actually, you and I are in agreement on this issue. If murder is within a state's criminal jurisdiction (and killing an unborn child is clearly murdering him/her) then any laws specific to abortion are the perview of the states. The geographic location (ie. in the womb or out, in a suitcase or out) or developmental stage (5 months after conception, 2 years after conception) of a child is immaterial to the fact that killing him/her is murder and should be covered by the criminal codes of the individual states.

That being said, you didn't answer the question. Is killing babies OK? Is abortion acceptable to you in anyway?

[Howlin]

Interestingly enough, the same "all vs nothing" "better than the alternative" "you're helping to put in a dem" arguments are being thrown around here as they were in the CA GOV race threads.

You mean like this guy?

To: ModernDayCato

I know exactly what kind of judges the Democrats will install. I prefer to take my chances with Bush and the Republicans. I also know that Dean or any of the other Democrat candidates would be a disaster for America. No thanks, I'll stand by Bush even if I hate some of his decisions.

108 posted on 12/10/2003 8:45:55 PM EST by Jim Robinson (All your ZOT are belong to us.)

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To: churchillbuff; Jim Robinson

Beautiful. Despite how depressed I was today over this I had to laugh when I thought about how the Bushbots were going to justify this.

I'm also curious if Jim Robinson still believes that any Pubbie is better than any Democrat. Jim?

104 posted on 12/10/2003 8:37:47 PM EST by ModernDayCato

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To: ModernDayCato

Yes.

106 posted on 12/10/2003 8:43:28 PM EST by Jim Robinson (All your ZOT are belong to us.)

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[Jim Robinson]

I know exactly what kind of judges the Democrats will install. I prefer to take my chances with Bush and the Republicans. I also know that Dean or any of the other Democrat candidates would be a disaster for America. No thanks, I'll stand by Bush even if I hate some of his decisions.

[ModernDayCato]

[Jim Robinson]

Yes.

[nicmarlo]

I agree; I also think what CB impression is will be much more informative reading than the layman's understanding...Constitutional law is quite a specialty.

[Revel]

"If you wish to change it, you have to change not the government, but the hearts of the people who vote for their representives."

And you will never do that by just going along with the crowd. In fact all that does is re enforce the slide.

[Who is John Galt?]

Earth to 'tpaine'...

;>)

[Spiff]

There's no right to life in the Constitution?

No. However, there is no grant of power to the government to deny anyone their life without due process, and even then only under the strictest of limitations.

The Constitution grants no rights, it only attempts to guarantee the inalienable rights granted us by God by providing for a very limited government with very specific powers.