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I'm Looking for "Patriot Act" Success Stories

Posted on 12/08/2003 12:16:58 PM PST by PureSolace

All week long I've been talking with other students at the school I go to about the pros and cons of the Patriot Act, and I was wondering if any freepers had any information to contribute. Does anyone have a list of success stories or embarrassments because of the Patriot Act? From the searches that I've done it seems most of the websites on the net are anti Patriot Act because they say it can be abused and target regular everyday citizens, and even peaceful protesters? (That one baffled me) Anyway, Any information or insight you guys can give would be wonderful. Thanks :)


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KEYWORDS: act; america; homeland; jttf; of; patriot; patriotact; security; states; terrorism; terrorist; united; usa
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To: VaBthang4
I think I would rather stick with the "losertarians" than the Democrat lite party. Under your watch, I've seen government spending and entitlement programs rise faster than any Rat administration. And on top of it, we get to endure your illegal editing of the Bill of Rights. Who is conservative? Certainly not the borrow and spend Republicans and their gang of robot apologists. You had my vote in 2000. You'll have to get somebody else in 2004, because I'm going libertarian or constitutionalist.
181 posted on 12/09/2003 2:05:36 PM PST by mysterio
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To: VaBthang4
Richard Reid did not carry out a terrorist attack in the United States or anywhere else [lighting your shoe on fire and catching a beatdown from a female flight attendant doesnt qualify as a terrorist attack in anyone's book]...his attempt was thwarted, therefore his was not a terrorist attack since the Patriot Act was signed into law...now who is feigning intellectual honesty? ....The two disgruntled black guys werent anything you could associate with the concept of terrorism that the Patriot Act was meant to thwart.

You are completely, 100%, intellectually dishonest.

Richard Reid's actions were not a terrorist attack? Are you inSANE? He had a f**king BOMB in his SHOE! That is a terrorist attack!

The Al Fuqra-connected and Islamic-inspired DC Snipers (one of which draws admiring pictures of bin Ladin from his jail cell is absolutely one of the forms of terrorist attacks meant to be thwarted by the Patriot Act. The Rand Corportation, a defense think-tank, specifically noted the possibility of sniper actions as terrorism in a report released briefly after September 11.

Here, I know: You need to refine your assertion more. May I suggest you change it (again) to read: 0 [zero] trrorists attacks by Al Qaeda itself and not including shoe bombs, provided the terrorist does not employ a rifle within the lower-48 continental United States since one year after the Patriot Act was signed by GW. Bush, unless something did happen after all.

That'll be a little easier to defend.

182 posted on 12/09/2003 2:06:50 PM PST by Lazamataz (Hillary Clinton is a CLINQUANT without the LINQA.)
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To: mysterio
You can go cast your masterbatory vote [alot of work but gets nothing accomplished] to a Dog named Yellow for all or anyone else of sound mind cares.

Regardless, this is gonna be a landslide for GW no matter what your bitter little paranoid minority does or doesnt do.
183 posted on 12/09/2003 2:09:17 PM PST by VaBthang4 ("This is an outrage! I'm voting for Howard Dean!" -Loserdopians)
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To: VaBthang4; jmc813
“Perhaps you could you explain the 'poorly' doctored photo on your FR profile page misrepresenting the scene at WACO.”

I challenge you do categorically state what is doctored on the photo. Or does it turn your stomach to see AMERICAN tanks fighting AMERICANS on AMERICAN soil.

In your dream world this would be a yearly occurrence.

Take a long hard look at the picture!

184 posted on 12/09/2003 2:11:27 PM PST by OutSpot
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To: Lazamataz
Well, a black muslim from Trinidad who was living here illegally, was driving without a license and he struck a deer out in front of my ranch last night and veered off into my mailbox [federal property]...was that also a terrorist attack?

We can drag this thing out all day...bottomline...

Not one [1] since september 11th, 2001.
185 posted on 12/09/2003 2:14:49 PM PST by VaBthang4 ("This is an outrage! I'm voting for Howard Dean!" -Loserdopians)
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To: VaBthang4
What is with the Vietnam clique that Schizophrenia and drug use excuse making seem to be a large part of your character?

I have a very hard time believing a Marine would make such a statement.

186 posted on 12/09/2003 2:21:14 PM PST by jmc813 (Help save a life - www.marrow.org)
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To: VaBthang4
Well, a black muslim from Trinidad who was living here illegally, was driving without a license and he struck a deer out in front of my ranch last night and veered off into my mailbox [federal property]...was that also a terrorist attack?

Of course not. You are being, again, intellectually dishonest. An accidental striking of an animal in no way compares to purposefully terrorising the DC community for 23 days by sniping from the trunk of a car. Nor does in any way compare to terroristically attacking a planeful of people by attempting to detonate a shoe bomb.

Not one [1] since september 11th, 2001.

I see. The VapidThang4 response to being proven wrong publicly, is to cover his ears and go YAA-YAA-YAA-YAA-YAA so as to drown out the refutation.

You are a real piece of work.

187 posted on 12/09/2003 2:21:17 PM PST by Lazamataz (Hillary Clinton is a CLINQUANT without the LINQA.)
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To: VaBthang4
"My opinion is that anyone not breaking the law has nothing to fear from this administration..."

The above statement from you shows how shallow minded and infantile your thought processes are. It is folks that think like you that could enable America to become a unfree, liberty-less, self imposed prison.

"Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it"

"There's a sucker born every minute."

188 posted on 12/09/2003 2:24:21 PM PST by OutSpot
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To: JohnGalt
What an old and tired saying used to describe any debate regarding government. How about, "Speak softly and carry a big stick" or "I did not have sex with that woman" they carry about the same weight as a statement based on feel good smoke. I think Hello Kitty has some good quotes too, lets check, ah yes here is one "Hi, my name is Hello Kitty, and this is Bear! Welcome to the Tea Party!" Yes, I must say it fits right along with your quote in this arguement.


189 posted on 12/09/2003 2:26:22 PM PST by Porterville (No communist or french)
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To: Porterville
What an old and tired saying used to describe any debate regarding government.

Yeah, that "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" clause is old and tired too. Let's ignore it.

190 posted on 12/09/2003 2:29:32 PM PST by Lazamataz (Hillary Clinton is a CLINQUANT without the LINQA.)
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To: Porterville
What an old and tired saying used to describe any debate regarding government.

Yeah, that "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" clause is old and tired too. Let's ignore it.

191 posted on 12/09/2003 2:29:38 PM PST by Lazamataz (Hillary Clinton is a CLINQUANT without the LINQA.)
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To: Lazamataz
I like this quote:

Isn't that just soft and cute when arguing a point??

192 posted on 12/09/2003 2:33:58 PM PST by Porterville (No communist or french)
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To: Lazamataz
Or better yet, "You'll grow up to be your own special little pony" ~Twilight (Firefly's Adventure)


193 posted on 12/09/2003 2:35:50 PM PST by Porterville (No communist or french)
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To: VaBthang4
0 TERRORIST attacks in the US since 9/11

The terrorists have easier targets on our interests abroad. And they have struck at them.
194 posted on 12/09/2003 2:37:31 PM PST by Cronos (W2004)
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To: Porterville
Isn't that Second Amendment all stupid and goofy too? Let's ignore that one, too.

Here's a cute Teddy Bear. This'll make my ignoring the words of our Founding Fathers Awwww Better.....


195 posted on 12/09/2003 2:38:23 PM PST by Lazamataz (Hillary Clinton is a CLINQUANT without the LINQA.)
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To: Porterville
WEEEE! Let's just do away with the Constitution outright!


196 posted on 12/09/2003 2:39:56 PM PST by Lazamataz (Hillary Clinton is a CLINQUANT without the LINQA.)
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To: Lazamataz
In all seriousness, in the future, when somebody uses quotes to make a point (which I do myself) I'm going to use the "My little pony" retort....
197 posted on 12/09/2003 2:40:05 PM PST by Porterville (No communist or french)
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To: Porterville
In all seriousness, in the future, when somebody uses quotes to make a point (which I do myself) I'm going to use the "My little pony" retort....

You'll look like an idiot.

198 posted on 12/09/2003 2:41:19 PM PST by Lazamataz (Hillary Clinton is a CLINQUANT without the LINQA.)
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To: OutSpot
The M1A1 Abrams MBT in the photo [second from the bottom] was photoshopped in. Notice the rear profile of the MBT as well as the commanders hatch. If the Desert scheme M1 is photoshopped in...then the M-60 combat engineering vehicle directly on it's left was as well.

My job is graphics so save the whining. Show me one photo from a different source showing an M1A1 Abrams anywhere on the WACO property at anytime.

APCs [Bradley] were there but not at that location during the fire. The only thing that close was the M-60 combat engineering vehicle used to introduce CS...or excuse me....massive flaming destructo tyranical Government grenades.

I'm not gonna debate this out...you wont find another image showing an M1A1 Abrams MBT [especially one painted in a desert scheme] at Mt. Carmel.




199 posted on 12/09/2003 2:41:23 PM PST by VaBthang4 ("This is an outrage! I'm voting for Howard Dean!" -Loserdopians)
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To: JohnGalt
Re: "Those who are willing to trade civil liberties for temporary security, deserve neither."
---Ben Franklin

NOTE: The right to life, the right to continue to live, is a civil right.

200 posted on 12/09/2003 2:45:34 PM PST by ChadGore (No blood for ratings! This means YOU AOL-Time-Warner-Turner-CNN)
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