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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 5 -7, 2003
Various | November 5, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/05/2003 12:14:25 AM PST by sweetliberty

TERRI'S FIGHT
(Thread 5 - November 5-7)
(Link back to Thread 4 - Nov. 3-4)

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Contained in Thread 4:

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Resource links to search business and criminal records in Florida, info on special guardian ad litum meeting (attempt to change qualifications?), Michael Schiavo parody, link to referral letter for Dr. Hammersfahr to the Nobel committee, transcript to Abrams Report closing commments - Nov.3, e-mail address for Larry King Live, Florida statutes on guardianship and some damning statements against Michael.

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Click on pic for Terri's website

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

I know we're all getting tired, but we have to hang in there. This isn't just Terri's fight anymore. It is our fight too. To everyone who has worked tirelessly to gather information, write letters, make phone calls, spend time in prayer, be at the vigil supporting Terri's family and all the many other offerings you have given for this effort, thank you and may the Lord richly bless you.

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To: sweetliberty
DAILY UPDATE - Fr. Rob Johansen
THROWN BACK

Rumor Correction Alert!

It has been reported that Bob & Mary Schindler were "axed" from the "Larry King Live" program. They were scheduled to appear tonight.

While it is true that they will not be appearing tonight, it has nothing to do with Larry King. Nothing nefarious going on here.

Bob Schindler has been having some heart and blood pressure problems in the last couple of weeks (one might guess as to the cause...).

So his doctors have ordered him to do nothing for a week. The Schindlers have tentatively rescheduled their Larry King appearance for next Friday, November 14.

Say a prayer for the Schindlers.


Why Doesn't Michael Divorce Terri?

A frequent question brought up regarding Michael Schiavo's relentless pursuit of Terri's death is, "Why doesn't he just divorce her and walk away?" Bob & Mary Schindler have begged Michael to do just that, saying that they will be happy to care for her. He would then be free to "move on" with his own life; marry his live-in girlfriend, etc.

Michael's response to that question, put to him last week by Larry King, was just as unconvincing as his confabulated tale of Terri's supposed wish not to be kept alive. All he can say are things like: "This is between Terri and myself. I'm not asking anybody to be mad at me. I'm not asking anybody to agree with me."

I have been thinking a lot about that question for the last few days, and I think I have some possible answers to it. Obviously, what I offer here are speculations, but they're speculations that I think fit what we know of the case.

Firstly, Michael might have some difficulty obtaining a divorce from Terri in Florida. From what Terri's parents told me and what I have learned about Florida law, Michael might find it difficult or even impossible to divorce Terri because she is disabled and unable to respond to a petition for divorce. The laws in Florida, in all likelihood, are written as they are to prevent people from divorcing their disabled spouses and dumping their care on the state. Of course, that well-intended law now works to Terri's detriment.

So then what about the possibility of moving Terri to another state, which would permit the divorce more readily? At first I thought the Schindlers might have objected to having Terri moved, but when I brought up the idea with Bob, he said, "if Michael wanted to move Terri to another state to divorce her, I'd say, 'let's do it tonight.'"

But, even then, there are other reasons why moving Terri and divorcing her wouldn't be acceptable to Michael. If Michael had divorced Terri say, five years ago, there would have still been around $700,000 in Terri's settlement fund. But in a divorce, Michael would be lucky to get even a third of it. Any competent lawyer representing Terri would realize that much of that money would be needed for Terri's care, and wouldn't have allowed Michael to get much of it at all.

No, a divorce wouldn't have given Michael what he wanted, if it was money he was after. In a divorce, Michael walks away with maybe $250,000. If Terri died, he would have gotten it all.

Now, of course, there isn't much money to be had. By all accounts, much of the money has gone to pay for Michael's lawyers. Michael says there's only about $50,000 left in the fund, and lawyer George Felos laments that he hasn't been paid since July (poor guy). Even allowing for Michael low-balling the amount left in the fund, there wouldn't be enough in there to care for Terri for more than a few years.

So now, for Michael, divorce is the last thing he wants. Not only in a divorce would he get nothing, he might even be required by the court to contribute to Terri's care, possibly for the rest of her life. He'd come out of the bargain worse off than when he entered it.

Then we come to what might be the more "intangible" considerations: Whatever motivations Michael may have had in seeking Terri's death, for George Felos, this is part of his Crusade of Death. Mr. Felos has built his legal practice around seeking the death of the diseased, elderly, and disabled. He has been a member of the Hemlock Society and is an advocate of euthanasia. Felos wants to expand the parameters within which we will find death not only acceptable, but desirable. And I think it was clear from the Larry King appearance that Felos is now the engineer of the train. Michael, it seems to me, may be a brute, but he is fundamentally a small, banal man. Michael is neither smart enough, nor evil enough, to have followed through for this long. And now Michael's only hope of seeing his wish for Terri's death come to fruition is to stay hitched to that train.

It would not suit Felos' purposes at all for Michael to divorce Terri. If that happened, Felos wouldn't have his test case. And Felos is not alone in wanting this test case. I do not think it is an accident that George Felos had Dr. Ronald Cranford appear as the chief medical witness for Michael. Dr. Cranford testified that Terri is in a persistent vegetative state, and will never recover. Although I hold, as I have written before, that Terri's "recoverability" is not the real issue, nonetheless Cranford's testimony on that score is hardly disinterested. He jokingly refers to himself as "Dr. Death," and for a fee he will come to your trial and testify that the person whose life you want ended is in a PVS. He was the leading medical voice calling for the deaths of Paul Brophy, Nancy Jobes, Nancy Cruzan, and Christine Busalucci. And what manner of death was prepared for all those about whom he testified? Removal of food and water, leading to death by dehydration/starvation.

Nancy Cruzan required no skilled nursing, no care but food and fluids, hygiene and turning to prevent bedsores. Indeed, she didn't require tube feeding. But Cranford testified that he would even consider spoon-feeding for Nancy Cruzan to be "medical treatment". Dr. Cranford has written that he foresees "that there may be extreme situations, and in the future increasingly common situations, where physician-assisted suicide may not only be permissible, but encouraged." In an op-ed piece for the Minneapolis-St. Paul Star-Tribune, Dr. Cranford advocated the starvation of Alzheimer's patients. Granny better hope and pray she remembers her grandkids' birthdays if Dr. Cranford gets his way.

Dr. Cranford is one of the leaders of the Death Crusade. He sees death as a solution to the problems posed by the elderly and disabled, and so wants more of it. George Felos demonstrates where he is coming from and what he is after by employing him. There are hundreds of thousands of elderly people in Florida, posing what Cranford called "challenges and costs" to society. A win in Terri's case would set a legal precedent, allowing Felos and the other acolytes of the euthanasia movement to help all those people to shuffle off this mortal coil a little more quickly than otherwise.

Mr. Felos has his own reasons for assisting Michael in his pursuit of Terri's death. Michael's reasons are, perhaps, more humble, but now they're attached to Felos.

Michael may have another reason for seeking Terri's death, though. It might be the same reason he has ordered that Terri is not to have an autopsy when she dies, and that her body is to be cremated...

1,001 posted on 11/07/2003 3:01:47 PM PST by NYer ("Close your ears to the whisperings of hell and bravely oppose its onslaughts." ---St Clare Assisi)
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To: Theodore R.
So, even the hearing is labeled as "to dismiss" a petition to change the guardianship.

Galling, but maybe this isn't newspeak. The hearing is named for the motion that brought it about. So there would be a different hearing for the petition itself.

1,002 posted on 11/07/2003 3:02:26 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck ("Across this great nation people pray -- do not put out her flame" -- DFU. Go Godsquad!!!)
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To: nicmarlo; Budge; Pegita; cyn; Ladysmith; Calpernia; Babalu; floriduh voter; dandelion; ...
Ping to Nic's excellent synopsis of Gov. Bush's motion to dismiss Michael Schiavo's case at post @1000.
1,003 posted on 11/07/2003 3:05:46 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: wisconsinconservative
(woohoo! I finally figured out how to italicize a quote!)


tell me how !!!
1,004 posted on 11/07/2003 3:08:46 PM PST by fiesti
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I see now, the Wednesday hearing was to consider dismissal of the Schindlers' petition for guardianship. That was denied for the time being. So there will be another hearing on the merits of whether Schiavo can continue as guardian. One does learn a lot about legal procedures by following Terri's fight.
1,005 posted on 11/07/2003 3:08:48 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: atruelady
I think Cleo knows she's a charlatan. GF doesn't.
1,006 posted on 11/07/2003 3:09:32 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck ("Across this great nation people pray -- do not put out her flame" -- DFU. Go Godsquad!!!)
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To: FL_engineer
I see that someone posted it....not sure it's the exact same article. I haven't really looked at it yet, but here is the link. This one is from the Miami Hearald.

Terri Schiavo Case: Gov. Bush Asks To Meet New Guardian

1,007 posted on 11/07/2003 3:10:44 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: wisconsinconservative
LOL

(heh heh heh!)

1,008 posted on 11/07/2003 3:10:47 PM PST by Ladysmith (Low-carbing works!! (223.0 (-37.6)))
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To: nicmarlo
Good job!
1,009 posted on 11/07/2003 3:11:58 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: fiesti
Here ya go, toodles...
1,010 posted on 11/07/2003 3:13:24 PM PST by Ladysmith (Low-carbing works!! (223.0 (-37.6)))
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To: Ethan_Allen
Susan Collins is one of the half-dozen MOST liberal Republicans in the Senate. She is a popular senator from ME. Democrats hardly even try to oppose her; she has become nearly entrenched after just a couple of terms.
1,011 posted on 11/07/2003 3:13:27 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: sweetliberty; flattorney; Graymatter
Yes, it got done, thanks flattorney


Terri Schiavo Case: Gov. Bush Asks To Meet New Guardian ^

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1017078/posts
1,012 posted on 11/07/2003 3:16:54 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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To: NYer
This analysis of Schiavo's motives regarding Terri, divorce, and MONEY sounds right on target to me. Yes, he is "small" and banal, as you said, but he attracts some women.
1,013 posted on 11/07/2003 3:17:45 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: NYer
The fact that the "neutral" court picked Cranford for its "neutral" expert is simply nauseating. Can you say "the fix was in," kiddies? I knew you could.
1,014 posted on 11/07/2003 3:18:11 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck ("Across this great nation people pray -- do not put out her flame" -- DFU. Go Godsquad!!!)
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To: Theodore R.
That has to be. I can't for the life of me see what Jodi would be attracted to, on the merits of the situation. (Well, there is such a thing as codependency.)
1,015 posted on 11/07/2003 3:19:34 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck ("Across this great nation people pray -- do not put out her flame" -- DFU. Go Godsquad!!!)
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To: NYer
Thanks for the update on Terri's parents and the links and information on some of the death doctors.
1,016 posted on 11/07/2003 3:20:41 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: FR_addict
Thanks FR_addict...I hope I didn't make too many "legal errs" in my attempt at translation.....but, I think I have a fairly good grasp of understanding legal material, having worked in a law firm for so many years. And NO....the lawyers I've worked for aren't like the scumbag MS hired! : )
1,017 posted on 11/07/2003 3:22:56 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: fiesti
< I >Like this but without the spaces after and before the brackets.< /I >

The first I tells html to start italianising, the second one tells HTML to stop italianising.

A < P >, absent the spaces before and after the bracket tells HTML to start a new paragraph.

A < B > tells it to use a bold font like this.

1,018 posted on 11/07/2003 3:24:10 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: sweetliberty
Thanks sweetliberty.......just doing my small part. You're the one who's doing a great job, keeping up with all the threads and new posts! : )
1,019 posted on 11/07/2003 3:30:59 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: jwalsh07; fiesti
italianising

LOL! did you mean italicizing? : )

1,020 posted on 11/07/2003 3:32:12 PM PST by nicmarlo
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