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Anglican Split Feared as Gay Bishop Is Consecrated (Can you say apostacy?)
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Posted on 11/02/2003 5:07:10 PM PST by Happy2BMe

Anglican Split Feared as Gay Bishop Is Consecrated
(2003-11-02)

By Greg Frost

DURHAM, N.H. (Reuters) - The Rev. Canon V. Gene Robinson was consecrated on Sunday as the first openly gay bishop of the U.S. Episcopal Church, a move that threatens to tear apart the worldwide Anglican community.

The Most Rev. Frank Griswold, presiding bishop of the U.S. Episcopal Church, consecrated Robinson amid cheers and applause from the several thousand people who gathered under tight security for the ceremony in a college sports arena.

Robinson, his voice trembling, told the congregation he felt deeply honored but also urged compassion toward church members angered and upset by his consecration.

"Our God will be served if we are hospitable and loving and caring toward them," said the new bishop, wearing a robe of gold, red and green. "If they must leave, they will always be welcomed back into our fellowship."

Earlier, in a sanctioned but tension-filled protest, opponents formally voiced their objection to installing an openly gay man as bishop.

Griswold interrupted one cleric as he launched into a graphic description of homosexual acts. Another woman said that consecrating Robinson would tear at the fabric of the worldwide church.

"To press forward with this consecration will be to turn our back on Almighty God," she said. "The vast majority of Anglicans worldwide have told us not to take this step."

The opponents walked out after making their statements. Moments later, Griswold asked those remaining if Robinson, a 56-year-old divorced father, should be ordained a bishop.

"That is our will!" the congregation chanted loudly.

LIBERAL WING

Robinson, who has lived with his male partner for 13 years, has pleaded for unity. But conservatives warn that his installation may split the 70-million-member Anglican Communion.

The church's Lambeth Conference of 1998 held that the Anglican communion regards homosexual practice as "incompatible with scripture" and condemned the blessing of same-sex unions.

The Rev. Canon David Anderson, president of the American Anglican Council, called Robinson's consecration "schismatic" and said his group was already preparing to lead a break from the more liberal wing of the U.S. Episcopal Church.

"I would anticipate that by tomorrow morning, statements of repudiation will be coming in from primates (church leaders) around the world," Anderson said in a telephone interview from Atlanta, Georgia.

Sky News broadcast the service live in Britain, a sign of the keen interest the event generated in the home of the 450-year-old Anglican Church.

Outside the arena, mounted police stood by as protesters opposed the church for appointing an openly gay bishop and members of the congregation hailed the historic event.

"This is a wonderful situation," said John Ebel, a Roman Catholic from Buffalo, New York. "I admire the Episcopal church for recognizing Gene's skill and ability to be bishop."

But others, including members of a Baptist church from Kansas, shouted at participants and waved neon-colored placards with homophobic messages like "God Hates Fags."

Some members of the U.S. church have said they plan to ask Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, spiritual leader of the worldwide Anglican faith, for permission to separate from the Episcopal Church.

Williams has said Robinson should not have been elected a bishop because he is a practicing homosexual. The archbishop spoke last month of a "huge crisis looming" as a result.


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To: Happy2BMe
In the TV news headlines I saw today, the first headline was about the helicopter that was shot down, and the second was about this homosexual bishop.

How related these stories probably are...
21 posted on 11/02/2003 5:57:40 PM PST by Eccl 10:2
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To: Shanty Shaker
"I never cease to be amazed at the inability of these major religous entities to respond to any problem with scripture."

2 Timothy 4
2   Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
3   For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4   And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

22 posted on 11/02/2003 5:57:40 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Nurture terrorism in a neighborhood near you - donate to your local community mosque.)
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To: Brian Allen

It probably stems from 1536, the beginning of the Anglican Church as a national church independent of the Pope because he refused to let Henry VIII divorce Cathrine of Aragon. (Henry stupidly thought she was to blame for not giving him a son.) That was probably not the best reason to start a church....
23 posted on 11/02/2003 6:00:33 PM PST by kittymyrib
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To: Happy2BMe
"Robinson, his voice trembling, told the congregation he felt deeply honored ..."

Not the first time, I'm sure.
24 posted on 11/02/2003 6:15:57 PM PST by semiarticulate (low balance-call EZPass)
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To: kittymyrib
The 2000-years-long History of the Holy Catholic and Apostolic [Anglican] Church of England long predates Henry's -- and others -- rejection of the Romans' revision of the Commandments to accomodate Rome's introduction of idolatry and prayers to the dead -- among others of its strange practices.

Henry 8 is no more the pillar of the Holy Catholic and Apostolic [Anglican] Church of England than the Borgias are pillars of its Roman offshoot.
25 posted on 11/02/2003 6:23:51 PM PST by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: kittymyrib
The 2000-years-long History of the Holy Catholic and Apostolic [Anglican] Church of England long predates Henry's -- and others -- rejection of the Romans' revision of the Commandments to accomodate Rome's introduction of idolatry and prayers to the dead -- among others of its strange practices.

Henry 8 is no more the pillar of the Holy Catholic and Apostolic [Anglican] Church of England than the Borgias are pillars of its Roman offshoot.
26 posted on 11/02/2003 6:24:05 PM PST by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Happy2BMe
As a Southern Baptist I find it very difficult to understand how sincere Christian people (Episcopals) could allow the approval and consecration of a openly homosexual church leader. This event is a mockery of the Scriptures. Homosexuality, totally rejected by God in the Scriptures is a risky and unhealthy behavior and lifestyle.

As with all sin, nothing good can come from homosexuality or from a church leader who openly embraces it.

I hope the Christians of the Espiscopal denomination will rise up and rebuke those leaders who brought about and supported this poor decision.

27 posted on 11/02/2003 6:31:59 PM PST by ASTM366
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To: Brian Allen
Am reading all posts with interest and wondering when this schism will hit the Presbyterian Church (USA) - my denomination.
28 posted on 11/02/2003 6:33:34 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: Happy2BMe
Saw a snippit of this on TV and I have a question..why are they dressed in sheets? Like a toga party. And some have strange hats.

What does this have to do with Christianity?

29 posted on 11/02/2003 6:33:44 PM PST by Voltage
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To: ex-Texan
If you're headed for the Lutherans, go to a Missouri Synod Church. The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, which has some official partnership with the Episcopal Church, is headed in the same direction as the ECUSA.
30 posted on 11/02/2003 6:37:33 PM PST by utahagen
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To: ahadams2
What I find really breath-taking about this whole thing was the interviews I have heard from Bishop Robinson.

He doesn't see what he's doing as the problem, but that those who want to break away from the Church as the problem.

You would think that someone in his situation would back down if he saw a schism coming from within the Church. Doesn't the Bishop have a responsibility to his flock before himself?

Since when does it become self-serving rather than serving God?

I truly feel for your church at the moment.

You're all in my prayers.

31 posted on 11/02/2003 7:30:17 PM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom.... needs a soldier !)
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To: Happy2BMe; TrueBeliever9; Geist Krieger; Brian Allen; meenie; Shanty Shaker; viaveritasvita; ...
Have you read the position paper on this from The Federalist? Excellent commentary that deserves to be passed around the Internet!

Homosexual Advocacy in the Church
Perspective from a Fifth-Generation Episcopalian

32 posted on 11/02/2003 7:31:49 PM PST by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: Happy2BMe
Split? Forget it. There's no church there to split.
33 posted on 11/02/2003 7:40:43 PM PST by Waco
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To: nothingnew
God has dealt with Sodomites before, and he can deal with them again. They are back!
34 posted on 11/02/2003 8:14:33 PM PST by tessalu
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To: Happy2BMe
Dear Happy2BMe,

"The opponents walked out after making their statements. Moments later, Griswold asked those remaining if Robinson, a 56-year-old divorced father, should be ordained a bishop.

"'That is our will!' the congregation chanted loudly."

I'm just guessing, but I suppose this is how these Episcopal episcopal consecrations are done? In any case, I find the response of the audience to be telling.


sitetest
35 posted on 11/02/2003 8:22:24 PM PST by sitetest (Remember to pray for my dad.)
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To: kittymyrib
Oh hell, good as any other.
36 posted on 11/02/2003 8:25:19 PM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: Brian Allen
The 2000-years-long History of the Holy Catholic and Apostolic [Anglican] Church of England long predates Henry's -- and others -- rejection of the Romans' revision of the Commandments to accomodate Rome's introduction of idolatry and prayers to the dead -- among others of its strange practices.

That might have been a valid counterpoint... if the newly-formed Anglican Church hadn't kept all of the practices you cite (including the doctrine of intercession). I don't see the fact that they have "strayed" from their original practices over the past 450 years to become more Protestant as a positive point for your argument (and I have absolutely NO dog in this fight; as I'm Protestant).

37 posted on 11/02/2003 8:27:17 PM PST by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (The best thing about the End of the World is how many a**holes it'll eliminate...)
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To: Eccl 10:2
"How related these stories probably are..."

I don't get it ... how could they possibly be related?
38 posted on 11/02/2003 8:30:15 PM PST by harmony (Go on, I dare ya.)
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To: harmony
Sin is a reproach to ANY Nation.....
39 posted on 11/02/2003 8:54:38 PM PST by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: sitetest
"'That is our will!' the congregation chanted loudly."
 
 
Yeah.. kinda like......
 
1 Samuel 8
 
 1.  When Samuel grew old, he appointed his sons as judges for Israel.
 2.  The name of his firstborn was Joel and the name of his second was Abijah, and they served at Beersheba.
 3.  But his sons did not walk in his ways. They turned aside after dishonest gain and accepted bribes and perverted justice.
 4.  So all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah.
 5.  They said to him, "You are old, and your sons do not walk in your ways; now appoint a king to lead us, such as all the other nations have."
 6.  But when they said, "Give us a king to lead us," this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the LORD.
 7.  And the LORD told him: "Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king.
 8.  As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you.
 9.  Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do."
 10.  Samuel told all the words of the LORD to the people who were asking him for a king.
 11.  He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots.
 12.  Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots.
 13.  He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers.
 14.  He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants.
 15.  He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants.
 16.  Your menservants and maidservants and the best of your cattle  and donkeys he will take for his own use.
 17.  He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves.
 18.  When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will not answer you in that day."
 19.  But the people refused to listen to Samuel. "No!" they said. "We want a king over us.
 20.  Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles."
 21.  When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the LORD.
 22.  The LORD answered, "Listen to them and give them a king."   Then Samuel said to the men of Israel, "Everyone go back to his town."
 
and........
 
Matthew 27:21-25
 21.  "Which of the two do you want me to release to you?" asked the governor.   "Barabbas," they answered.
 22.  "What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called Christ?" Pilate asked.   They all answered, "Crucify him!"
 23.  "Why? What crime has he committed?" asked Pilate.   But they shouted all the louder, "Crucify him!" 
 24.  When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. "I am innocent of this man's blood," he said. "It is your responsibility!"
 25.  All the people answered, "Let his blood be on us and on our children!"
 
They WILL be sorry!!!!

 
 

40 posted on 11/02/2003 9:02:32 PM PST by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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