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Sobran: My Obsession with Jews [for all who mistakenly think he is a valuable contributor]
Federal Observer ^ | maybe 10/30/03 | Joe Sobran

Posted on 10/30/2003 8:04:40 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine

Edited on 10/30/2003 9:21:43 AM PST by Lead Moderator. [history]

[Moderator's note: We have received a few complaints on this posting, saying that this is a forgery, that it is not written by Joe Sobran. I was able to find this on his site.]

Sobran: My Obsession with Jews
By Joe Sobran

Now and then I get letters and e-mail messages asking why I am so "obsessed" with Jews and Israel. The question amuses me. It would be one thing if I often wrote about Mali, or Honduras, or Borneo, or any other nation or country most people remember only as a name from geography class.

I should think it's obvious that I'm “responding” to an obsession – an obsession of contemporary culture, politics, the media, the arts. We have been getting 24/7 coverage of Jews, the Holocaust, and Israel for years now. The front pages, the evening news, the magazine covers devote so much attention to Israel - a country the size of New Jersey on the other side of the world - that you could get the impression that it spans several time zones and includes much of the world's population (plus a few gentiles). Many columnists write about it more often than I do: Charles Krauthammer, William Safire, Cal Thomas, Paul Greenberg, Mona Charen, and George Will, to name a few. Of course they write uncritically about Israel, so they aren't considered obsessed; Eric Alterman of THE NATION has compiled a list of more than 60 well-known pundits who "reflexively" support Israel, while finding only 6 who are frequently critical.

Every American president has to spend a disproportionate amount of his time coddling Israel and denouncing or actively fighting Israel's enemies. It's become part of the job description, as much as if it were written into the Constitution - or more so, since constitutional obligations have become optional and *this* obligation is definitely not. At the same time, no president or any other politician may suggest that the American-Israeli alliance imposes undue risks, costs, or burdens on the United States.

Journalism still devotes so much attention to the Holocaust that, as I once quipped, "The NEW YORK TIMES should be renamed ”HOLOCAUST UPDATE." Books and movies about it continue to pour forth; bookstores have whole sections on the Holocaust, and universities consecrate entire departments to "Holocaust studies." Holocaust memorials spring up everywhere. Elie Wiesel preaches that we *should* be obsessed with the Holocaust, as he is. Churches, accused of silent complicity in, and even ultimate responsibility for, the Holocaust, do their best to repent and atone.

Current Jewish sufferings are treated as specially tragic facts, extensions of the Holocaust itself. When Arab terrorists seized an Italian ship, the Achille Lauro, and threw a Jewish passenger overboard, a leading American composer, John Adams, wrote an entire opera, THE DEATH OF KLINGHOFFER, about the incident.

"Anti-Semitism" has become the chief of sins. It's seldom helpfully defined, but it seems to take a thousand forms, from outright genocide to indiscreet bons mots about Israel. Many gentiles live in dread of being labeled anti-Semitic, a charge against which there is no real defense or appeal: to be accused is to be guilty. The burden of proof, as I've often pointed out, is on the defendant - and a difficult burden it is, since he hardly knows what he's being accused of. How can you prove your innocence of an undefined crime? By the same token, there is no penalty for false charges of anti-Semitism, since a meaningless charge can't be proved false anyway.

No gentile is quite safe from the charge. The Gospels, Catholicism, and the papacy have been indicted; so have Chaucer, Shakespeare, Voltaire, Edmund Burke, Dickens, Henry James, Henry Adams, Dostoyevsky, Mark Twain, Hilaire Belloc, G.K. Chesterton, T.S. Eliot, Ezra Pound, Hemingway. (So far Jane Austen and Emily Dickinson seem to have escaped the accusation.) Then there are whole anti-Semitic nations, among them Russia, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Germany, France, and Spain, lately joined by most of the Arab nations (thereby proving it is possible to be Semitic and anti-Semitic at the same time).

Billy Graham was recently roasted for anti-Semitism when it transpired that he'd made a few disparaging comments about Jews in the media during what he'd thought were private conversations with President Richard Nixon “30 years ago!” Perish the thought that there might have been a grain of truth in what he'd said; Graham dutifully groveled, then, when Jewish groups indignantly complained that this was not enough, he groveled again. A few years back, even that Hollywood icon Marlon Brando had to do a tearfully groveling retraction of some mildly critical comments about Jews in Hollywood.

And they wonder why I'm obsessed.

Of course I have my own special reasons. In 1986 I had my own run-in with fanatical Zionists, earned the dreaded label, and refused to perform the mandatory grovel. I won't retell the whole story here, except to say that my own ardent support for Israel had ended in 1982 when I realized what Israel's cruel invasion of Lebanon, led by Ariel Sharon, meant for America and for my family.

For America it meant that the Jewish lobby, including some of my neo-conservative friends (as I thought them), had gotten this country into a sticky situation: an alliance that was morally dubious and very dangerous. We were being steered into a needless war with the Arabs, hotly desired by Israel and its supporters but contrary to our own real interests.

As for the Sobrans, two of them - my sons Kent and Mike - were in their teens. If, as seemed likely, the military draft was restored, they might be sent to fight the war the Zionists were seeking. I began arguing in my syndicated column for American disengagement from Israel.

Shortly afterward I ran into Ben Wattenberg, one of my friends (I thought), who said he'd heard I'd "gone off the reservation on Israel." It was the first time I'd been informed that I was on a "reservation," but I soon learned what he meant.

Despite various warnings and pressures - veiled threats, really – I wasn't about to back down or retract anything. As far as I was concerned, I was fighting for my boys' lives. But if I wanted to thrive in journalism, I was expected to put Jewish interests ahead of everything, or at least keep quiet.

As I told Bill Buckley at the time, the Jewish- Zionist interest amounted to an unacknowledged third party in American politics. Though it had been traditionally liberal, it had sprouted a "neo-conservative" wing since 1967. In truth, the neo-conservatives were hardly conservative at all. For most of them, Israel was everything and overrode all other issues. You could agree with them on nine out of ten issues, but if the tenth was Israel the other nine didn't matter to them. You were the enemy.

You couldn't really feel the power of the Jewish Party until you ran up against it. With amazing speed it had thoroughly satellized the largely Christian conservative movement, thanks in large part to Buckley. He wasn't about to let me imperil his position. He tried to tell me so, in his indirect and avuncular way, but I couldn't take a hint.

Luckily, I was a fairly small fry in the movement, and the Jewish Party had far bigger antagonists to target for destruction. I didn't get the full treatment Buckley would have gotten if he'd said what I had said, or the treatment Pat Buchanan did get.

Still, when the blowup came I felt deserted -- and in some cases betrayed -- by my fellow conservatives. Much as I wished they would rush to my defense, I also wished that if this was too much to ask, they would at least see the “meaning” of what was being done to me.

Put simply, I was paying the price for “defending American interests” (and conservative principles). If, as the neocons insisted, American and Israeli interests were more or less identical, they should have called me anti-American, not (or not only) anti-Semitic. But of course they never did; they weren't that subtle, and in some ways they were deeply confused.

Without realizing it, they were tacitly admitting that I was right: that American and Israeli interests were very different - even conflicting - things. Why else would Israel need a lobby in America at all, except to promote its interests to the detriment of our own? This should be obvious, but most people don't get it.

Of course there is no American lobby in Israel to look out for our interests, regardless of the impact on Israeli interests. This is only one of the many unnoticed asymmetries of the situation. Double standards can succeed in their furtive purpose only when they pass unobserved. But to call attention to double standards favoring Jews is "anti-Semitism." According to Zionist rhetoric, of course, only anti-Semites apply double standards - though in fact Zionism's first principle is that ordinary standards of justice don't apply to Jews. As one Israeli rabbi has put it, "A million Arabs are not worth one Jewish fingernail."

That sounds like a defiantly brutal denial that "all men are created equal." The rabbi may have meant that it would be better to murder a million Arabs than to tolerate the slightest Jewish loss. But he might have meant something much less bellicose, something even pacific: that the current tradeoff of Jewish and Arab lives is a terrible thing for the Jews, even if far more Arabs than Jews die. Nobody really wins a war that diminishes both sides.

It may be said that all this amounts to a caricature of the Jews. In fact, I'll say it myself. It's really a self-caricature of the Jews, drawn by the prevalent part of the Jewish community. It reflects neither the older tradition of the Orthodox, which is rooted in the hard objectivity of Mosaic law rather than modern sentimental victimology; nor the immense variety of Jewish intellectuals, who are as the sands of the sea but who don't usually subscribe fully to the oversimplified myths of the Holocaust and Zionism.

The Orthodox Jew, faithful to an ancient and rigorous tradition, commands respect. So, in a different way, does the nonobservant intellectual Jew, who greatly enriches the life of the mind in the modern West; he remains unobsessed by the Holocaust and skeptical of, even embarrassed by, Zionism. In some cases, both the Orthodox Jew and the unaffiliated intellectual Jew may be downright anti-Zionist.

The plague-carriers, so to speak, are the secularized, liberal, middlebrow Jews whose vulgarity sets the tone for American politics, public discourse, and popular culture. Some of them, like Steven Spielberg and Barbra Streisand, have real talent, of sorts; most of them are good at making money and aggressive in using it for their pet causes. Above all, they have a low genius for propaganda - for shaping the popular mind and its characteristic platitudes.

This is the prevalent body of Jews, our unacknowledged third party – the party of Zionism, Holocaust promotion, secularism, sexual license (including "gay rights" and legal abortion), and an aggressive U.S. foreign policy (in the interests of Israel, not the United States itself). The Jewish Party, only a small fraction of the U.S. population, donates more than half the money received by the presidential candidates of the two major parties. It also dominates the major news and entertainment media.

The Jewish Party's inordinate power, though unmentionable in the major media, explains why gentiles, especially the ambitious, dread the label of "anti-Semitism." Some of the most perceptive, sensitive, and effective critiques of Jewish power - that is, of the Jewish Party -- have been made by Orthodox and intellectual Jews. One danger of the present situation is that the Jewish Party will become synonymous with "the Jews."

And this is exactly what the Party wants: to be recognized as the only authoritative Jewish voice, with all dissenting Jews marginalized. Under the brutal rule of Ariel Sharon, Israel's image in the West is worse than ever before. Today it's startling to remember the radiant aura it enjoyed in the days when its chief international spokesman was the urbane and eloquent Abba Eban. Those days are gone forever. The old image of a humane, democratic Israel was largely myth - a myth Sharon himself still exploits - but at least the Israelis made some effort to maintain its plausibility. Now, as Israeli soldiers shoot Arab women in labor without official rebuke or regret, the ugliness of Zionism has become visible to anyone with eyes to see.

Shouting "Holocaust" and "anti-Semitism" can no longer disguise the facts. Despite all the rhetoric, Israel is a "democracy" only in a Pickwickian sense. It began by expelling most of its Arab majority, seizing its homes, and refusing it reentry. That created a Jewish majority, which has been maintained and increased by extending to every Jew on earth the "right of return" to a land where few of those Jews (or for that matter, of their ancestors) had ever lived in the first place. Yet the fiction of Israeli democracy is still honored by the United States.

The Great Obsession has become a huge embarrassment for the Bush administration. It can't repudiate the U.S. alliance with Israel, even as it needs international - especially Arab - support for the "war on terrorism." Of course that war itself is a result of the Obsession, which has shaped American foreign policy for decades.

The embarrassment is also a Laocoon-like entanglement. Polite diplomacy flounders in the vain quest for a peaceful settlement; Rome and Carthage are trying to destroy each other, and both sides are invited to a tea party.

As suicide bombings alternate with disproportionate yet unavailing retaliations, the daily news from Israel is so painful that we all yearn for a solution. But it's probably too late. It has been wisely said that even the greatest chess player can't take over a misplayed game after 40 moves. This game is clearly destined to end - or to continue indefinitely - in tragedy. The only question is how many millions of people will be engulfed in its flames.


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To: inquest
Your response, essentially, was that there were "3000 reasons" why such prejudice would be appropriate in their case.

There is massive hostility in the Arab world towards the United States. That's a fact, not prejudice.

201 posted on 10/30/2003 3:22:16 PM PST by Right Wing Professor (Lord High Executioner to the Court of the Mikado)
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
I think you are right-this is a forgery, or at least some of the most inflammatory parts are. Sobran is anti-Israel, but he is not a moron- I can't imagine that he would commit stuff like that "plague-carriers" paragraph to print.

Which version do you have? I don't see anything about "plague-carriers" in the version at Sobran's site, or the reprints by the Michigan Neo-Nazi.

202 posted on 10/30/2003 3:25:03 PM PST by mrustow (no tag)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Should I put down the intern?
203 posted on 10/30/2003 3:30:00 PM PST by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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To: Right Wing Professor
There is massive hostility in the Arab world towards the United States. That's a fact, not prejudice.

And Sobran's saying that there's a powerful Jewish contingent in American politics that uses its victim status to augment its power. He may be right or wrong about that assessment, but there's nothing "prejudicial" about making that claim.

My point, in other words, is that either certain statements are racist by their nature, or they're not racist by their nature. If they are, then they're racist no matter what specific group name you insert into the statements.

204 posted on 10/30/2003 3:30:56 PM PST by inquest ("Where else do gun owners have to go?" - Lee Atwater)
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To: general_re
Is the following more in line with statndard English? "Presently, Mr. Locke contributes to VDare.com and The American Conservative.

I suppose that I could use a text editor for my responses, but html codes get in the way.

205 posted on 10/30/2003 3:33:08 PM PST by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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To: anotherview
hy anyone would revere a mass murderer when all the world already knew who and what Stalin was is amazing and sick to me.

The Time Man-of-the-Year award is supposed to be (it wasn't for 2001) awarded to the person who was most responsible for news in that year, not the most revered...
206 posted on 10/30/2003 3:40:21 PM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: Right Wing Professor
Presumably, then, he remains agnostic about the existence of any country he hasn't visited or any person he hasn't met.

I would assume so. Heck, I haven't an engineers knowledge of the workings of my computor or the internet, who knows what's coming out on your end. By his standard I guess ole Joe knows for sure he rises in the morning, eats, goes to bed at night, as a pundit, not much else.

207 posted on 10/30/2003 3:41:28 PM PST by SJackson
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To: inquest
My point, in other words, is that either certain statements are racist by their nature, or they're not racist by their nature. If they are, then they're racist no matter what specific group name you insert into the statements.

Two statements

A negligible number of Jews died in the holocaust; anyone who says otherwise has an axe to grind

A negligible number of Arabs died in the holocaust; anyone who says otherwise has an axe to grind

Are the two statements equivalent? Of course not; the first is false and marks you as a Holocaust-denier; the second is true. Similarly, Sobran's statements, which are rather hysterical with respect to Israel, might not be hysterical if applied, say to Saudi Arabia.

208 posted on 10/30/2003 3:42:31 PM PST by Right Wing Professor (Lord High Executioner to the Court of the Mikado)
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To: mrustow
I don't have time to search for this again, but it was at the link given in one of the posts above- it is on Sobran's site, but you have to click on his email newsletter to read the whole thing. (May, 2002)
209 posted on 10/30/2003 3:42:47 PM PST by RANGERAIRBORNE ("My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me"- Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
I retract my previous post; I just found the "plague-carriers" phrase at both postings of the essay (including Sobran's own site). Sobran wrote it, alright.
210 posted on 10/30/2003 3:44:36 PM PST by mrustow (no tag)
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To: mrustow; RANGERAIRBORNE
I think you are right-this is a forgery, or at least some of the most inflammatory parts are. Sobran is anti-Israel, but he is not a moron- I can't imagine that he would commit stuff like that "plague-carriers" paragraph to print...which version do you have? I don't see anything about "plague-carriers" in the version at Sobran's site, or the reprints by the Michigan Neo-Nazi.

The Orthodox Jew, faithful to an ancient and rigorous tradition, commands respect. So, in a different way, does the nonobservant intellectual Jew, who greatly enriches the life of the mind in the modern West; he remains unobsessed by the Holocaust and skeptical of, even embarrassed by, Zionism. In some cases, both the Orthodox Jew and the unaffiliated intellectual Jew may be downright anti-Zionist.

The plague-carriers, so to speak, are the secularized, liberal, middlebrow Jews whose vulgarity sets the tone for American politics, public discourse, and popular culture. Some of them, like Steven Spielberg and Barbra Streisand, have real talent, of sorts; most of them are good at making money and aggressive in using it for their pet causes. Above all, they have a low genius for propaganda -- for shaping the popular mind and its characteristic platitudes.

It's fair to note he's refering positively only to the few Orthodox who deny Israel's right to exist, at this time, and the "unaffiliated" Jew (the ones who, when asked their religion, state none).

211 posted on 10/30/2003 3:49:22 PM PST by SJackson
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To: Right Wing Professor
I don't really know how to evaluate how hysterical Sobran's statements are with respect to Israel. I do, however, have to wonder exactly why it's considered so necessary to our security to be supporting Israel. About the best response I've gotten is that they provide us with intelligence on Arab regimes. And what are they going to do if we stop supporting them? Not provide us with intelligence? Somehow I don't think so.
212 posted on 10/30/2003 3:54:48 PM PST by inquest ("Where else do gun owners have to go?" - Lee Atwater)
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To: Gargantua
These prophecies were made almost two thousand years ago. The Word of God is perfect, the perfect Truth.

OMG! You sound just like my wife!

213 posted on 10/30/2003 3:55:23 PM PST by mrustow (no tag)
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To: Dialup Llama
>I think it's much more likely it is Sobran's work. The auspices and provenance may be uncertain at this point...

see post #45. Its on the Sobran website, in the archives. For some reason, it doesn't come up on searches.

About a year ago, I found that articles from some major media orgs were no longer cached at google. My hunch was that the orgs threatened google with copyright lawsuits. In Sobran's case, I'm wondering if google decided NOT to list him. I can't imagine him ordering google not to carry his site.

The above may sound weird, but my experience from one year ago, led me to conclude that being carried on google is no longer an automatic thing.

214 posted on 10/30/2003 4:01:31 PM PST by mrustow (no tag)
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To: mrustow
I don't see anything about "plague-carriers" in the version at Sobran's site, or the reprints by the Michigan Neo-Nazi.

You need better glasses.

The plague-carriers, so to speak, are the secularized, liberal, middlebrow Jews whose vulgarity sets the tone for American politics, public discourse, and popular culture. Some of them, like Steven Spielberg and Barbra Streisand, have real talent, of sorts; most of them are good at making money and aggressive in using it for their pet causes. Above all, they have a low genius for propaganda -- for shaping the popular mind and its characteristic platitudes.

215 posted on 10/30/2003 4:03:00 PM PST by george wythe
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To: Sabertooth
What if one is a domestic paleo and a foreign policy neo?

You mean, a strict constitutionalist plus non-isolationist? I think of myself as such. We can't pretend that USA circa 1789 and USA circa 2003 are the same animals on the world stage, and I don't want us to ever be less powerful than France again.

216 posted on 10/30/2003 4:09:02 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: SJackson
The idea of a "third party" is a myth. It's more like the "third-through-twenty-seventh parties."
217 posted on 10/30/2003 4:20:12 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: rmlew
Should I put down the intern?

Don't even tell me what you did with the cigar.

218 posted on 10/30/2003 4:29:47 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: mrustow
About a year ago, I found that articles from some major media orgs were no longer cached at google. My hunch was that the orgs threatened google with copyright lawsuits. In Sobran's case, I'm wondering if google decided NOT to list him. I can't imagine him ordering google not to carry his site.

He probably put in a "no-robots" file on his website to conserve bandwidth...and he's really trying to deny that he has the problem he has, so he tries to hide it while leaving it available for those in the know.

219 posted on 10/30/2003 4:33:21 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Hmmmmm...afraid for his two precious boys' lives? Sounds a little bit CONVENIENT (and lame) an excuse for his "change".

Furthermore, I do not think that the "secularized" Jews of the USA that he uses as his scapegoat support Ariel Sharon at all - so that is clearly a false statement in support of his argument. They (ironically, like he PRETENDS to), also "yearn for the days of Abba Eban"!!!!

As for me, I am 100% behind Sharon. I wish he had the political will to push the Phillistines into the Mediterranean on one side, and over the Jordan on the other.
Any sane nation would do this in pure self-defense given the terror-war that the Islamofascists have been waging aainst Israel. The true crime is that the US has not supported Israel's use of the option that the US itself has availed itself of since 9/11.

Just my 2 cents worth.

P.S. To Mr. Sobran (who professes to be a practicing Catholic, I believe). In the Bible, God says that He will Bless those nations that bless the Jewish people, and CURSE those nations that persecute them. Methinks he needs to get away from his catechisms and "Hail Marys" and actually READ the Book! (I am not anti-Catholic - I merely subscribe to the well-documented view that extra-Biblical Catholic Church doctrine and rituals can often obscure for the average man the TRUE meaning of the Scriptures. So, Mr. Sobran - READ the Scriptures FIRST! Then it will all become clearer to you.)
220 posted on 10/30/2003 4:48:21 PM PST by Al Simmons
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