Florida: Complaints over restaurants not complying with smoking ban

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[SheLion]

DUVAL COUNTY, FL -- Florida's smoking ban was officially put into place on July 1st but not everyone is abiding. The state has had close to 800 complaints on restaurants that are not complying with the rules.

In Duval County, there have been 19 complaints with the majority coming from customers of RP McMurphy's located in Jacksonville Beach. The restaurant has received a warning and has 30 days to comply.

[Madame Dufarge]

The reason is clear: said limit could be acheived by engineering controls instead of behavior modification and the latter is their objective.

The crux - thank you!

[Im4Starr]

oops...meant to pose it as a food-for-thought question:

So, to review, smoking causes cancer and smoking also cures it???

It's funny, we've all heard the "don't believe everything you hear/read" saying, but then we go ahead and believe what we're told on various issues.

When do we get to think for ourselves?

[Graybeard58]

"I did some research recently and found that, ironically, one of the supposed cures for cancer is smoking pot"

...Here's another one for you: I recently started taking Dr. prescribed steroids (Yes, they do have a legitimate use)
...On reading possible side effects I found that smoking pot lessens the effect of the drug but smoking tobacco enhances the effect.

[Madame Dufarge]

Why do you never directly answer the questions that I post to you?

Because he's the quintessential Gnatzie.

I believe he was the inspiration for Flurry's coining of the word "Gnatzies."

[Graybeard58]

"BITE ME YOU SANCTIMONIOUS SOB"


...I just came close to posing a very stupid question to you. I was about to ask you what the hell is a SOB.---Never mind, I figured it out just in time.

[RightFighter]

Temporary. The bans are in process of being nation wide.

Actually, our master plan calls for setting aside a large swath of land well to the south of San Diego, calling it "Nicotinia" and forcing all the smokers to move there. This, of course, will occur AFTER we get the permanent wall with the machine gun turrets built. In Nicotinia, of course, smoking in restaurants will still be banned. ;)

[RightFighter]

That's what we call the VASC - for "Vast Anti-Smoking Conspiracy"

[VRWC_minion]

False assumption that the restaurant is filled to capacity from opening to closing.

Dinner normally runs from 6-8. In those 2 hours the bulk of the customers hare handled. The more turns you get for those hours the moe money made. If you show up at say 8, then yes staying longer will add to bottom line. If you arrive at 6, they make more money if you leave fast.

[Madame Dufarge]

The person here that has not advanced a valid argument yet is yourself.

Wait, Joe.

Isn't it obvious that an out-of-hand dismissal of proof by a Gnatzie is superior to said proof?

Why, we must all check ourselves into the re-education camps immediately.

[VRWC_minion]

As soon as a market can be controlled with laws and regulations, allowing for one company to be successful over another, then we no longer have a free market.

You are correct, theoretically there is no such thing as a free market because business relies on gov't and gov't relies on business in a unholy alliance.

For example, in my state package stores are closed on Sundays and after 8. The owners in these stores are against any increase in hours while the chains want to increase hours. The mom and pop shop manages to keep the chains at bay for now.

They are using the laws to protect themselves from having to increase the hours they work.

[Just another Joe]

Why, we must all check ourselves into the re-education camps immediately.

As soon as they pry my .45 lever action rifle from my cold dead fingers. ;^)

[Just another Joe]

I just came close to posing a very stupid question to you. I was about to ask you what the hell is a SOB.

Ohh, you would have taken some heat for THAT question... LOL :^[}

[VRWC_minion]

I believe in a free market economy and you support government intervention

You cannot have one without the other. A truly free market is going to freely seek govt' intervention.

[CSM]

"You are correct, theoretically there is no such thing as a free market because business relies on gov't and gov't relies on business in a unholy alliance."

No business relies on the government, unless otherwise they would not be competitive. Therefore, only the businesses that support bigger government and more regulations are the ones that would otherwise not offer a service or product that would be accepted in a free market. You seem to think this is good for business.

You are correct that the government relies on business. If the business world ever decides to shrug, then we would live in the government regulated heaven you so desire!

[CSM]

"I believe in a free market economy and you support government intervention

You cannot have one without the other. A truly free market is going to freely seek govt' intervention."

Have you ever studied even the most basic economics? Only the weakest in a free market seeks government intervention. As soon as government intervention occurs you no longer have a free market, government intervention only benefits those that would not otherwise survivie on their own in the market.

[VRWC_minion]

No business relies on the government, unless otherwise they would not be competitive.

Yes they do. Without govt', every transaction would be dependent on the power of the individual to enforce. It quickly becomes a system of might makes right.

We need gov't to create property and protect property rights. We need gov't to provide a framework in which transactions occur and provide the methods of enforcing.

Pure libertarianism is chaos and business cannot thrive in chaos.

[Madame Dufarge]

Dinner normally runs from 6-8. In those 2 hours the bulk of the customers hare handled.

Back in the good old days, before people like you and your buddies were actually taken seriously, there were plenty of restaurants who catered to smokers during those hours.

Any statistics on how they're doing now?

You know, the ones who are patronized now by people with coupons who order pasta dishes, or the real risk takers who might get the boiled chicken and linger over endless cups of coffee, bumping the check up another buck?

[Protagoras]

Post number five contains only irrelevant statements.

[VRWC_minion]

Any statistics on how they're doing now?

It really doesn't matter. This battle front has been lost by smokers. Within a few years all restaurants and bars in the US will be smoke free with the possible exception of Nevada.

The new front is smoking at home and in the car but by the time you folks notice, the anti's will be steamrolling you there too and just like the bars and restaurants, you won't know what hit you.

So far you folks have not come up with a winning argument.

[Just another Joe]

We need gov't to create property and protect property rights.

Your words, guy.
You just shot your entire argument in the foot with your own words.