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The fight isn’t going Clinton’s way
The Boston Globe ^ | September 19, 2016 | Niall Ferguson

Posted on 09/19/2016 6:17:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

This fight isn’t going as planned. The conventional wisdom, as August drew to a close, was that Donald Trump’s campaign was in free-fall. Some of Hillary Clinton’s supporters had even begun to anticipate a landslide like 1964, when Lyndon Johnson crushed Barry Goldwater by 61-to-38 percent.

What a difference a couple of working weeks have made. Slumped in the Democratic corner, her haggard visage being fanned by anxious trainers, is Clinton, candidate of the status quo. Impatiently bouncing off the ropes on the other side of the ring is the overweight, orange-featured personification of very, very risky change. The status quo’s margin of advantage suddenly looks much smaller than anyone thought in the dog days of summer.

In the 13 most recent national polls, Clinton is ahead in just seven, and by margins of between one and five percentage points. The latest LA Times poll has Trump ahead by six points. Even the closely watched New York Times/CBS News poll of likely voters has the race tied, taking into account the substantial numbers of votes likely to go to the Libertarian and Green candidates....

(Excerpt) Read more at bostonglobe.com ...


TOPICS: Campaign News; State and Local
KEYWORDS: clinton; hillary; trump
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To: Snickering Hound
In 2004, her vote for the Iraq war kept her from running.

And, what, exactly, was the impetus for the Iraq War? 9-11. My point stands. Her best shot at ever attaining the Presidency would have been, in a world where 9-11 never happened, in 2004.

She never recovered from that 'bolt out of the blue' on that mild September Tuesday morning. She has been trying ever since, to overcome the effects of that morning, and has had little success in overcoming that blow, and likely never will, at this stage...

the infowarrior

41 posted on 09/19/2016 7:11:54 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Poor Hillary. Omg its not going her way.

How sad for.liberals. the real.world intrudes. For example, they were all set to push this birther issue, but Trump outsmarted them. Then real world events in the form of the weekend terrorist attacks swept away any talk of birtherism.

I can’t believe Hillary says that Trump and his rhetoric is a recruiting tool for ISIS. Any of you believe that horse blank????


42 posted on 09/19/2016 7:12:43 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Michael.SF.
As long s we are considering 'what ifs' I have long contended that had Al Gore conceded in 2000 (as Nixon did in '60) then he would have been the Democrat nominee in '08.

Modern presidential politics is very harsh on the loser, it's typically a career ender especially for a democrat.

For years after 2000, Al Gore attempted to remind everyone that he won the popular vote. It didn't work.

43 posted on 09/19/2016 7:13:59 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Impatiently bouncing off the ropes on the other side of the ring is the overweight, orange-featured personification of very, very risky change.”

I think they MEANT to say:

“The overweight orange-pantsuited PIG, who is the personification of raw Marxism in America, today.”

Fixed! ;)


44 posted on 09/19/2016 7:14:33 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set!)
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To: Jim from C-Town

Hilary has really packed on the pounds downstairs. My goodness her butt region really flares outward. She’s a small head on a large mass nowadays.


45 posted on 09/19/2016 7:14:51 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: The Truth Will Make You Free
Idiot can’t even see that people don’t want a very, very, very corrupt Clinton.

Or a very, very, very corrupt status quo either.

This is a change election. The pendulum is swinging hard to the right in this cycle as it should.

46 posted on 09/19/2016 7:16:10 PM PDT by Bullish (I'm on a mission to make Hillary Clinton feel DEPLORABLE on Nov 8th.)
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To: infowarrior
And, what, exactly, was the impetus for the Iraq War? 9-11. My point stands. Her best shot at ever attaining the Presidency would have been, in a world where 9-11 never happened, in 2004.

Hillary was never that formidable. If there wasn't 9/11 she would have sold her vote for something else that would have cost her the dem nomination.

Her support is almost entirely east of the Hudson.

47 posted on 09/19/2016 7:17:27 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Dilbert San Diego

It is called pear shaped.

The weight is concentrated at the ankles.


48 posted on 09/19/2016 7:20:05 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Michael.SF.
Nixon was smart enough to know the damage to the country that a recount would have caused. Gore? Not so much.

Have you ever stopped to consider the why of that point? I think I can show you the why. Gore was totally undistinguished in his political career until he became Vice President and led the US delegation in the meetings that came up with the Kyoto Accords.

The US Senate, his old stomping grounds, refused to ratify them. He thought that if he were President, he could arm twist the Senate into ratifying, and thus validate the single, signal achievement of his otherwise nothingburger political career. THAT, in a nutshell, was the impetus for the entire sordid recount affair. He was trying to save his sorry 'legacy'. Having failed there, what did he do? He parlayed that into an immense fortune, but the failure still eats at him, and it shows...

the infowarrior

49 posted on 09/19/2016 7:21:24 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: Jim from C-Town

[He is 6’2” and 236#’s according to his most recently released physical. That is technically over weight by about forty or so pounds. However, it is not exactly morbidly obese. The ‘ideal’ weight is supposedly 185#’s.]

I weighed 189 at 6’2” at one time and looked like a scarecrow. (Utility Meter Reader lots of walking)

My most comfortable weight in looks and feeling well is about 200 to 215.

I now weigh 235 at the same height and am 1 point over into “obese”.

On my way to dropping 20 now. Again. LOL


50 posted on 09/19/2016 7:22:07 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (Fear is the mind killer.)
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To: Snickering Hound
For years after 2000, Al Gore attempted to remind everyone that he won the popular vote.

Exactly.

But consider if he had been the better man and not contested the election? I think the Democrats would have fought hard for him later. On the other hand, knowing what jerks they are they might have labeled him as a loser. Oh well, Glad we are rid of him.

51 posted on 09/19/2016 7:22:48 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (She calls me Mr. Deplorable.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Can we ask Hillary's weight and BMI (Body Mass Index?)

I'll wager his against hers, even adjusting for height differences, she's the heavier, so maybe people should be demanding her figures - not to mention her consumption of food and drink.

52 posted on 09/19/2016 7:25:50 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

personification of very, very risky change.

Very risky change? What? Away from rampant
socialism? Away from crony graft and corruption?
Away from failed policies? Away from a transparency
so dark that not a glimmer of light passes through it
to illuminate the voter as to the depth of quicksand
that surrounds us?

Bout damn time.
The man from Hope? Nope!
Hope and change? Nope and they keep the change!
November 8th is Independence Day.
Enough is enough, it’s time to clean house.


53 posted on 09/19/2016 7:26:01 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: dp0622

Hillarys fat.


54 posted on 09/19/2016 7:26:34 PM PDT by 4Liberty (Can't WAIT to start saying -"TRUMP'S FAULT!!")
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To: headstamp 2

Carrying a little extra in later years is both normal and probably healthy. Lots of people get ill in old age and can’t fight off the illness as they are too thin. Besides old skinny people look older than those with a little girth.


55 posted on 09/19/2016 7:27:14 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Ouderkirk

[I’m 6’3” and I was 236. I looked fat and felt fat.

Lost 30 lbs and feel much better. Wish I could quit smoking, and I would be good.]

I went down to 200 from 235 back in 2012. Lots of whey powder shakes for meal replacement. It felt great at 6’2”. In the early 90’s I was 189 and had a 32-33” waste. Much too thin.

Now back to 235 and yes, feel fat and out of shape.


56 posted on 09/19/2016 7:28:14 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (Fear is the mind killer.)
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To: Theodore R.
The doctor said 6’3” and 236 pounds is overweight, but it can’t be but a few pounds overweight.

40 lbs overweight
57 posted on 09/19/2016 7:30:54 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Michael.SF.
But consider if he had been the better man and not contested the election? I think the Democrats would have fought hard for him later. On the other hand, knowing what jerks they are they might have labeled him as a loser. Oh well, Glad we are rid of him.

Gore took himself out of the 2004 nomination, they even had a slogan for him 're-elect Gore 04'.

My guess would be that since he no longer held an elected position, he had no power base and little funding to run.

58 posted on 09/19/2016 7:40:19 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Snickering Hound
Hillary was never that formidable.

With the entirety of the Washington Press Corps behind her she would have been quite formidable in 2004, make no mistake. The internet had not yet come into its own at that stage. It was nowhere near as pervasive as it is today, and the main stream media still held a monopoly on the dissemination of information. Although it could be seen that the monopoly was in trouble, it was still, in many respects, intact.

If there wasn't 9/11 she would have sold her vote for something else that would have cost her the dem nomination.

Perhaps, but with that unified press behind her, it would have been far easier to obscure, just as various and sundry things were obscured in her husband's administration. Point in fact, she still largely relies on it today, but it has nowhere near the potency as a weapon it had twelve years ago.

Her support is almost entirely east of the Hudson.

She also has/had quite a bit of support on the Left Coast, which should not be forgotten...

the infowarrior

59 posted on 09/19/2016 7:40:36 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This whole article is nothing but drivel. Do we not put up Barf Alerts here any more?


60 posted on 09/19/2016 7:45:43 PM PDT by Old Grumpy (I'm enjoying being considered "deplorable.")
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