Posted on 09/09/2015 10:18:53 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Via Breitbart, it’s almost beside the point whether what he’s saying here about the expense and logistical difficulties of deporting 11 million people is correct. For what it’s worth, it is correct. No less an authority than Mark Krikorian, executive director of the restrictionist Center for Immigration Studies, said this to WaPo last month:
Amnesty isn’t on Trump’s agenda, though. His plan is deportation, which Krikorian dismissed as unrealistic.
“It’s a gimmick,” Krikorian said. “He’s just making it up as he goes along. What ever goes into his mind comes out of his mouth. There’s no way to deport 11 or 12 million people in a short period of time.”
Even Mitt Romney, whose immigration policy was the most famously conservative plank in his campaign, didn’t bother fantasizing about mass deportation. His plan was to encourage self-deportation by imposing penalties on employers stiff enough that they wouldn’t hire illegals in the first place. As the work dried up, people who’d crossed the border from Mexico would cross right back. Carson’s calling for something similar in the clip below to stop the influx of new illegals, saying, “You have to turn off the spigot that dispenses goodies, including employment. If there is nothing to come for, then people won’t come.” The difference between him and Romney is that he’s prepared to let illegals who are already here in the U.S. stay put in a guest-worker program — although, as it turns out, the GOP platform that was approved at the convention where Romney was formally nominated also called for a guest-worker program. Ted Cruz also wants a more robust guest-worker program, at least for skilled immigrants. And Trump himself — who knows? Catch him on the right day and he’ll tell you that once illegals have been made to leave the U.S., he’d support an “expedited” process that would let them come right back in again as legal workers. Quote: “We got to move ‘em out, we’re going to move ‘em back in if they’re really good people.” Is that materially better than Carson’s plan? Why spend a boatload of money to remove illegals en masse if most of them are going to come back in?
But the policy details are beside the point. The risk here for Carson is that he’s suggesting there are practical limitations on what a conservative president could achieve, and the key to Trump’s appeal is that he makes people believe there are no such limitations if you elect the right person. Find a guy who’s rich and unbeholden to special interests, who’s a master negotiator, who’s ordained by God to be a consummate winner or whatever and there’s no limit to what he can achieve in office. He’s the ultimate “Green Lantern” candidate, which is why so many of his critics see him as a would-be strongman a la Putin. Deport 11 million people? Not easy for an average leader, but for a superhero it’s doable. That’s how he’ll counter Carson on this, I assume — Carson’s willingness to rule out mass deportation preemptively proves he’s weak-willed, which guarantees a failed presidency if he’s elected. Carson’s counter to that is summed up in this quote given to The Hill:
“I won’t change,” he said. “I’ve heard people say, ‘You have to have more fire.’ They want me to stomp and bang my fists, but that’s not who I am. I’m a calm and rational person. You have to be that way as a neurosurgeon.”
That’s a weird pitch in a year when populist rage is swamping the GOP, but Carson seems to think most voters prefer the idea of a steady hand on the wheel as president to a loose cannon prone to making promises he almost certainly can’t keep. Emphasizing the practical difficulties of mass deportation enhances that image: Ben Carson’s not going to BS you, not as a candidate and not as president. You can trust him. Will that play better in Iowa than Trump’s “I can move mountains” blather? You tell me.
Here he is yesterday talking immigration. He was on Megyn Kelly’s show last night too, where she asked him what his favorite Bible verses are, a question that’s been posed to Trump. Carson had no difficulty answering.
>> “There’s no way to deport 11 or 12 million people in a short period of time.”
Did Trump claim “short period of time”? Or did Krikorian put those words in his mouth?
I have an idea.
Why don’t we just make all illegal aliens our slaves ?
Not only that, but yes there is. It might not look pretty on the evening news, but it is VERY possible to deport large numbers quickly. Does no one have a long-term memory in this country?
And his positions on guns and ethanol subsidies.
He should be named Kervorkian.
95 Million Americans out of work, 45 Million on Food Stamps and the Brain Surgeon suggests we need MORE workers?
Is he for Real or did his visit to D.C. cost him half his brain?
I wonder if his campaign suddenly received a large donation from the Open Border lobby?
No. I wouldn’t want slaves because a 150 years after I let them go my great-grandchildren will somehow be held accountable for reparations.
>> It might not look pretty on the evening news, but it is VERY possible to deport large numbers quickly.
We put a man on the moon. We won WWII (which was a HUGE logistics exercise as much as anything).
If we put our American can-do attitude into it, you bet we could deport wetbacks at a breathtakingly high rate.
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So, Carson wants to do the same nonsense as Trump.
Not acceptable!
Enforce the law on those aiding and abetting the illegals and they will self-deport.
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Yes. He has several questionable positions. The one that will get the most negative attention is his weak stance on illegal immigration.
. . . before there could be a guest worker agreement Mexico officials specified that
Castañeda imposed the requirement that
It was pretty much on track to become law no matter what Americans thought but we were attacked by yet another enemy on 9/11 2001. From various sources including including this 2002 FR thread
"America must legalize all Mexican illegal aliens, loosen its already lax border enforcement, establish a guest worker program in the midst of an economic downturn, and exempt Mexican immigrants from U.S. visa quotas. "
last report was he spent 6 million of his 11 million.
He is not going to last without BIG money.
this is a pay for play pander.
He is a distraction to save jBush.
jbush was on cnbc this am and he was MEGA MEAG snoozefest boring! seriously, zzzz go back to sleep boring.
His military strategy would be to bore the enemy to sleep.
“The guests who never leave.”
Starting in 1961 the Germans imported Turks to do their grunt work, mostly factory work.
Like the English, French and Dutch.
In the Fatherland the plan was the “guests” would sell their productive years, 18-45, then return to Turkey.
The Germans had no plans to integrate them into society. They even had interpreters in the shops for them.
Well, guess what? Fifty years later the Turks are still there.
And now they’re bringing in more ROPers.
Angela’s toast.
Self-deportation:
an approach to dealing with illegal aliens in the United States that involves the creation of legal structures which will make life in the US so difficult as to encourage migrants to voluntarily return to their home countries, rather than organized efforts of law enforcement to locate and deport them.
Trump said the following:
* Send the illegal immigrants home
* Build an impassible wall
* Improve security and lower crime
* Save money!!!
So long, Ben, your time is up.
Surgeon General?
He’d look good in a uniform.
So isn’t that basically offering amnesty?
Carson is a sneaky one. Is he promoted to divide the anti-establishment vote?
If we cut off all of their benefits, and squeeze their ability to send money home, those who are here to gorge at the American trough will self-deport! I figure that is AT LEAST 60%!
Then, make those here illegally pay back ALL back taxes, not a fee, but ALL back taxes (based on their years in America and the average wages of the time period), just like the government does to citizens, let the IRS determine how much these people owe - that should scare another 20% out!
CLOSE THE BORDER, and harshly prosecute ALL who attempt to cross illegally (including those over-staying their Visa, etc...)! Include the inability to EVER become a US citizen, if they violate a second time - PERIOD!
Then, we might, MIGHT, look at helping those who actually stayed through these steps, because those may seem to want to become Americans.
That’s my thought process and plan!
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