NAZI MAINE: House gives final OK to smoking ban in bars PUKES ONE AND ALL!

boston.com ^ | 6/3/2003 | Glenn Adams

[SheLion]

AUGUSTA, Maine (AP) Public health interests prevailed over warnings that personal freedoms are being eroded as the Maine House gave its final approval to a bill to ban smoking in bars and taverns.

Representatives' 95-47 enactment vote sent the measure to the Senate and put Maine a step closer to joining California and Delaware in imposing statewide bans on smoking in bars. New York's ban starts in July, and Connecticut's newly enacted ban on smoking in bars takes effect next April.

[VRWC_minion]

Are you f*cking dense?

So, when was the last plane you smoked on, or the last public meeting you smoked at ?

[Just another Joe]

The smokers current points including private property rights is getting creamed in the political arena.

And just because it's the smokers' POV that private property rights should be paramount in this situation, you can't bring yourself to to back the same POV.
Eventually you WILL deal with this situation. You should pray that by the time you do there is anyone left to back you.

[Just another Joe]

Not true. My son is presently in boot camp. No smoking is allowed.

Like I said, when did this start?

[Madame Dufarge]

You should pray that by the time you do there is anyone left to back you.

I, for one, wouldn't back him if he were a wide-eyed, fluffy puppy.

[honeygrl]

"So, when was the last plane you smoked on, or the last public meeting you smoked at ? "

Smoking was allowed on the plane I was in from Miami to San Pedro Sula, Honduras and not a single person complained.

[kevao]

private property rights is getting creamed in the political arena

And this is good?

[RightWhale]

Maybe we ought to consider totalitarianism, what it is, how it is implemented, who is totalitarian. Peer pressure is tough. Tougher than federal regs, tougher than a brownshirt on the corner, tougher than family values. When they apply peer pressure outside their group through The Law, they are getting their socialist society without the expense and responsibility of classical forms. When the state withers leaving The Law, the anarchists have won. And what do we do but elect representatives to make more and more laws about everything. Why? What are we doing besides the work of the anarchists? Look at The Law, who wants all that? It's Martha Stewart Hate Day, let's have a little show of enthusiasm for The Law. Not that OT Commandment stuff, not the Constitutional stuff, but The Law that we use to control the proles and knock down any Alphas that get rambunctious.

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Sorry about mixing utopic systems there, it's an analysis/synthesis kind of day. Get outside the box and get some fresh air.

[metesky]

At public meetings and on planes I just sit, quietly smiling because I have an ounce of weed in one pocket, $1000 in conterfeit money in my wallet, an unlit cigarette dangling from my sneering lips and a monster in my pants.

Looking forward to meeting you.

[VRWC_minion]

I don't know but i assume you don't believe me

Here is another source

Link

Another BMT-instituted lifestyle change is a smoking ban. Since World War II, more airmen have been lost to smoking than combat. Now, recruits aren't so much weaned from the weed as they are forced to go cold turkey. The mere possession of a cigarette is grounds for recycling.

The old boot camp almost fostered tobacco use by granting smokers extra breaks. Studies also have shown that 28 percent of trainees are smokers when they enlist. A year after enlistment, that figure jumps to 41 percent. Just under way at Lackland is a smoking cessation and education study sponsored by the National Institutes of Health, University of Memphis and University of Minnesota. Researchers hope the three-year project, which began in mid-August, tells them how well education and a healthy lifestyle work in stopping smoking.

Recruits will be given a questionnaire at the beginning and end of basic training. Another 75 percent of trainees will also receive a 60-minute "psycho-educational" class telling them the how's and why's of quitting. A year later, the scientists will send out follow-up questionnaires to track progress.

"We hope to point those who have thought about quitting or haven't started yet in the right direction," said Dr. Risa Stein, project coordinator. "Our goal is to lower the percentage of smokers by three to five percent." After BMT enlightened airmen on becoming physically fit, motivated and smokeless, many trainees countered these gains by going to the dining facility for deep-fat fried burritos, three-egg omelets or double hamburgers with cheese.

[Protagoras]

Get outside the box and get some fresh air.

Must be hard to get fresh air with your head up your rear.

[VRWC_minion]

Smoking was allowed on the plane I was in from Miami to San Pedro Sula, Honduras and not a single person complained

After the UN treaty gets signed smoking on international flights will cease too.

Its all closing in .

[VRWC_minion]

And this is good?

Thems the facts. The smokers and bar owners need a new set of talking points and a face lift.

[VRWC_minion]

At public meetings and on planes I just sit, quietly smiling because I have an ounce of weed in one pocket, $1000 in conterfeit money in my wallet, an unlit cigarette dangling from my sneering lips and a monster in my pants.

Therefore your behavior has been changed or the cigarette would be lit.

[RightWhale]

Libertarians use the law to control the working class?

Anarchists do; anarchists have discovered that law is an excellent way to get the social change and control of gov't that they want, and anarchists do indeed want control. Libertarians use the more powerful constraints of peer pressure more directly, but there are very few actual libertarians so their effect is close to zero. The idea is that anarchists and libertarians end up as the most totalitarian of all through peer pressure, or its modern equivalent--smoking and sunburn laws.

[kevao]

If they wanted them to smoke they would allow it during their free time.

Actually, if they really didn't want soldiers to smoke, there's nothing stopping them from banning smoking even after boot camp. I don't believe they do this, however.

[metesky]

Since World War II, more airmen have been lost to smoking than combat.

Since smoking takes years to kill anybody, IMO your link starts with a lie or there are an awful lot of 50/75 year old airmen out there.

Oh wait! It's a government source so calling it a lie would be redundant.

[kevao]

The smokers and bar owners need a new set of talking points and a face lift.

I'd simply prefer to retain my private property rights, thank you very much.

[RightWhale]

Organized anarchism?

Adoptive oligarchism. It's our strength. We get to choose our leaders and the anarchists were not chosen. So the anarchists are trying a different approach to total power: The Law. Take a look!

[headsonpikes]

Hey, I understand why non-smokers appreciate clear air.

The argument is ONLY about whether majoritarian tyranny(violation of rights) is legitimate. The utopian b*stards in Canadian bureaucracies have imposed the same regime up here.

Is there or is there not a limit to government?

[kevao]

Since World War II, more airmen have been lost to smoking than combat.

Exactly how many airmen have been lost to smoking since WWII? And how many airmen have been in combat since WWII?