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Online cigarette sales light up
Market Watch ^ | 29 July 2002 | William Spain

Posted on 07/29/2002 4:02:37 PM PDT by SheLion

CHICAGO -- As state and local taxes on their cartons and hard packs waft ever higher, smokers who would rather fight than quit are trying to stave off nicotine fits without breaking the bank.

Politicians in 17 states have raised tobacco levies this year, but nowhere is the challenge of finding reasonably priced cigarettes more difficult than in New York City, which on July 1 raised its cut of the action to heretofore unheard of levels.

The results may please public-health advocates and money-conscious state and local legislators as smokers pay more for their favorite brands. In a win-win situation, the new taxes will induce people to kick the habit while filling state coffers at the same time.

Or not.

Turns out that circumventing the increased duties -- and the goals of those who support them -- can be as easy as firing up a browser or picking up the phone.

Online tobacco sales have been around for as long as e-commerce itself, but there has been an explosion in the number of cigarette-selling Web sites in recent months. With prices sometimes less than half typical retail, these companies operate largely in low-tax states or from the safe harbor of Indian reservations.

The federal government currently gets $3.90 per carton, a sum collected from the manufacturers. Smokers in states such as Virginia and Kentucky, with extra tariffs of 25 cents and 30 cents, respectively, are unlikely to bother with mail order. But in New Jersey ($15), Washington ($14.25), Connecticut ($11.10) and Illinois ($9.80), buying on the Web is looking better and better.

In New York City, it's a no-brainer. The whopping $15 per carton increase -- on top of a state tax of $15 -- means that a pack of Marlboros costs about $7. A moderate smoker is now looking at spending 50 bucks a week, or $2,600 per year, to keep the lungs full. Some folks may give up the cancer-sticks; others find alternative merchants.

And some of the biggest of them are, ironically, located within the Empire State -- albeit on the "sovereign territory" of the Seneca Nation -- and they can barely keep up with demand.

'Holy cow!'

Only one of the half-dozen online tobacco sellers contacted by CBS.MarketWatch.com would talk about their business on the record -- or off it, for that matter.

Bob Benzing, a spokesman for CigarettesExpress, said "we did see an increase in our business when the tax went on. We are now seeing a leveling-off, but at a higher-level than before."

One constraint to growth, however, is that "it is difficult to change people's buying habits of one pack at a time."

A woman who answered the phone at another company was less restrained. "Holy cow! You wouldn't believe how much business we got because of that new tax" she said. "Ummm, I better ask the general manager to call you."

Last week, a journalist living in Manhattan ordered cartons of American Spirit cigarettes from three different online retailers: Cigarettespecials.com, Senecasmokes.com and CigarettesExpress.com.

Each charged just over $36, including shipping, which came to barely half the cost at his local store. Two orders arrived right on time; one was slightly delayed.

According to an apologetic e-mail from CigarettesExpress, "normally, we ship all orders on the next business day after the order is placed. However, due to the new $15 [per] carton tax that took effect in New York City last week, our supplier has been overwhelmed with orders, and has run out of stock of several popular brands."

Another recent purchaser is Steve, a 25-year, pack-a-day Brooklynite. Instead of $7 and up, he said he pays between $3.50 and $3.80 per pack from Cigarettewizard.com.

"Why wouldn't you do it? It's a bargain," he said. "Of course, I would save a lot more if I just quit. But I am not going to just because some politician is twisting my arm."

In the meantime, he said, he has had no problems getting the product on time and as promised. His main complaint is "that if I am not on top of it, I may have to go two or three days buying locally."

More task than force

In theory, he and the thousands of other New Yorkers who have turned to mail order for their tobacco needs could end up on the hook for local taxes -- if the city can figure out how to make them pony up.

The law was one of Mayor Michael Bloomberg's pet projects; he signed it on June 30 with much fanfare, claiming that it will both save lives and generate $111 million in additional revenues next year.

Officials at the New York City Department of Finance could not be reached for comment, but a spokesman for the mayor said such scofflaws may soon be the targets of a special "task force."

Trouble is, it could be more task than force. While some retailers are supposed to turn over customer lists to state and local regulators, few do -- and many brag that they will not reveal them to anyone.

It is not an idle boast.

While a change in federal law, or a successful legal challenge, could compel compliance, tobacco shops located on Indian ground fall well outside of state jurisdiction, and the Senecas have a proud tradition of beating New York in court.

Benzing confirmed that while no one has tried to get his company's customer lists, it has no intention of ever giving them out.

Bill Williams is the founder of Smokinglobby.com, an anti-tax and smokers' rights site where the relative merits of online tobacco retailers are often discussed. He also lives in New York and has been buying his cigarettes online for about two years. Prices have held steady over that time, and he has never had any trouble getting his deliveries.

"Why in the world would I pay so much state tax when I can get them somewhere else?" he said.

Williams said he believes that at least some new online buyers are not only being thrifty but also engaging in a "a form of protest against being singled out by New York City for extra taxation."

And he worries not at all about a knock on the door, confident that "if there is a crackdown, it will have to be done at the federal level."

Manufacturers cautious

The other players in this unfolding drama, of course, are the manufacturers. Big Tobacco has taken quite a beating in the press and in courts over the last few years and takes a cautious stance on this subject.

A spokesman for Philip Morris said it discourages online sales of its products, mostly because of age-verification questions. The company has asked several online retailers to remove its products for that reason, he said, and some, though by no means all, have done it.

At No.2 R.J. Reynolds a spokesman said the company does not have set policy with its distributors about online sales but "we will not support them" with advertising, promotions, artwork or any of the other traditional retail back-up.

However, the boom "is not something that comes as a surprise. We pointed out at the time that with huge tax increases...chances are you are going to see more online sales and cross-border sales."


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Government; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: antismokers; butts; cigarettes; individualliberty; niconazis; prohibitionists; pufflist; smokingbans; taxes; tobacco
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1 posted on 07/29/2002 4:02:37 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: *puff_list; Just another Joe; Gabz; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; Tumbleweed_Connection; red-dawg; ...
Buying on the Web is looking better and better.
2 posted on 07/29/2002 4:03:27 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
I pay 15 bucks a carton for the Seneca brand. Never been happier : ))
3 posted on 07/29/2002 4:06:17 PM PDT by alisasny
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To: SheLion
Got to love my wonderfull state of Michigan, they just upped the state tax by $.50 per pack thinking they would increase their tax revenues. LOL! Whatever revenues they were receiving from me just went to the Indian reservations. MORONS!!!

FWIW, if it gets worse, I'm turning to the black market......

They finally drew the line and crossed it.....

4 posted on 07/29/2002 4:06:58 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: alisasny
I pay 15 bucks a carton for the Seneca brand. Never been happier : ))

That's great! I roll my own and get a carton for under $8.00

Where there is a will there is a way!

5 posted on 07/29/2002 4:13:53 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: zcat
They finally drew the line and crossed it.....

The states sure did cross the line. They want to balance their budgets on the backs of the smokers, yet they say they want Smoke Free Everything! They sure aren't getting both!

Tickles me to no end the more people finally catch up and buy their cigarettes somewhere else or roll their own!

6 posted on 07/29/2002 4:15:49 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: zcat
I'm curious if anyone has bought the online smokes which advertise American brand names (Marlboro, etc..) but are 'made' somewhere else? I remember during a trip in the Ukraine and Turkey a few years back the European versions of these were _not_ up to snuff with the American made ones. The tobacco was much more loosely packed and tasted different as well. Tapping down a 100 would sometimes result in the tobacco settling down almost a full inch.
7 posted on 07/29/2002 4:20:35 PM PDT by zandtar
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To: SheLion
Just bought 2 cartons of Marlboro Lights for $29.90 TOTAL (from Switzerland).

It took about 12 days for the smokes to get here. They came in a brown, nonmarked envelope (just like porno tapes - or so I've been told).

Screw Hillary Clinton, screw Bill Clinton, screw Jim McGreevey, screw Michael Bloomberg -- and screw every other busybody, anti-smoking zealot.

They all can go balance their crummy, socialist, welfare state budgets on someone else's back!!

8 posted on 07/29/2002 4:24:36 PM PDT by tbg681
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To: zandtar
I have tried the light blue pack of camels, which are called "export quality". They weren't bad at all. I am not sure if this is the same thing, however.

10 posted on 07/29/2002 4:27:22 PM PDT by Bella_Bru
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To: SheLion
I'll laugh at even the guy paying 3.50 a pack thinking he is getting a deal. I pay 1.701 a pack at cheaper cigarettes in my town.

11 posted on 07/29/2002 4:27:49 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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To: zandtar
I've bought Marlboros in Germany. The only difference I noticed is that they were half the price.
12 posted on 07/29/2002 4:29:26 PM PDT by lizma
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To: SheLion
what's funny is people who are enslaved by a corporation, chained by addiction to a chemical that controls them. Or is it sad and pathetic? I'm not really sure. I'm glad I'm not a corporate slave.
13 posted on 07/29/2002 4:37:16 PM PDT by That Subliminal Kid
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To: tbg681
Michael Bloomberg

BLOOMBERG? DID YOU MENTION BLOOMBERG??!!

Double standard, eh?

14 posted on 07/29/2002 4:37:25 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: That Subliminal Kid
Or is it sad and pathetic?

Smoker's Creed
I smoke because I like to smoke.
I smoke because I want to smoke.
Smoking pleases me.
My life is better because I smoke.
I accept responsibility for all of my actions.
I want the freedom to choose to smoke.
I can choose how to make myself happy.
I own myself.
Smoking is my choice.


15 posted on 07/29/2002 4:40:25 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
I just ordered online a week ago, and got my first 2 cartons today, expecting 3 more. $15 dollars per carton. Cartons in WI are hovering around $40.
16 posted on 07/29/2002 4:52:09 PM PDT by WIMom
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To: SheLion; zcat
The law was one of Mayor Michael Bloomberg's pet projects; he signed it on June 30 with much fanfare, claiming that it will both save lives and generate $111 million in additional revenues next year. And Bloomberg's supposed to be a financial Whiz? Does that $111 million "additional revenue" reflect the decline in sales as a result of the confiscatory tax?

Zcat's comment: The states sure did cross the line. They want to balance their budgets on the backs of the smokers, yet they say they want Smoke Free Everything! They sure aren't getting both! Right on the money.

Problem is: These politicians continue to fund their addictive habit of spending via taxing people's addictive behavior. As people modify their behavior as a result of the taxation, our tax-money addicts will need to go on a methadone program. Or not. You already see it as attorneys and states greedily eyeball the casino and fast food industries.

17 posted on 07/29/2002 4:52:15 PM PDT by Fizzie
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To: tbg681
I smoke the same. I've had European, Mexican and South American Marlboro Lights. I didn't notice a difference, except cost. (Except for the brown filters, that's wierd, but same taste)
18 posted on 07/29/2002 4:55:31 PM PDT by WIMom
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To: zandtar
You might try yessmokes.com. I think they are in Switzerland. I am very satisfied with quality and delivery (6 days).
19 posted on 07/29/2002 4:56:09 PM PDT by Bahbah
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To: Fizzie
Don't forget alcohol. That's a huge target.
20 posted on 07/29/2002 4:56:55 PM PDT by WIMom
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