Eerie article on Yahoo about the shootdown of KAL 007.

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[The Magical Mischief Tour]

Tuesday February 12, 3:16 pm Eastern Time Press Release SOURCE: International Committee for the Rescue of KAL 007 Survivors

Researcher Wants KAL 007 Crash Re-Opened: Will Present Evidence, Petitions in Washington WASHINGTON, Feb. 12 /PRNewswire/ -- Bert Schlossberg, a scholar from Israel, will present evidence on Thursday that contradicts the accepted theory that all passengers died on Korean Airlines #007 in 1983.

Schlossberg has spent 10 years researching the mysterious crash of the jet, and has formed a new committee to bring public attention to his findings. He and several others will hold a News Conference at 10:00 a.m. on Thursday, February 14, at the Army & Navy Club, 901 17th Street, N.W., Washington, D.C. After the briefing they will deliver petitions, addressed to President Bush and President Vladimir Putin, to the White House and the Russian Embassy asking them to find out what happened to the 240 passengers and 29 crew members aboard the plane.

Nearly all aboard the jet, which was hit by a Soviet missile, vanished without a trace. The cabin of the aircraft was discovered largely intact in shallow water, but contained just one body. 61 American citizens were aboard the flight, including Congressman Larry McDonald (D-GA), nationally known for his anti-communist views.

Bert Schlossberg who formed the International Committee for the Rescue of KAL 007 Survivors last year, is the son-in-law of passenger Alfredo Cruz of New York. The Committee has many supporters among the relatives of the passengers. His book, ``Rescue 007, The Untold Story of KAL 007 and its Survivors'' (Xlibris 2001), presents evidence for his premise:

1) The cockpit voice recorder demonstrates that one missile hit the rear of the cabin, and a second Soviet missile missed the aircraft completely. The cockpit voice recorder tape, kept secret by the Soviets for many years, revealed that the flight engineer reported all four engines functioning normally after the missiles were fired.

2) Japanese radar showed the plane slowing down as it descended until it went below 1000 feet and was off the radar screen. The descent lasted 12 minutes. Radio intercepts record that Soviet vessels converged on the location where it ditched near Sakhalin, an island near Siberia. Boeing says that it could have remained afloat for an hour if the landing was soft. No big pieces of wreckage, no baggage, and only two bodies were found floating on the ocean. The largely intact cabin contained some personal belongings but no life jackets.

In 1991, Senator Jesse Helms (R-NC) requested information from President Yeltsin on what happened to the rest. If they didn't survive, where are the bodies? The Soviets admitted that they had classified documents, but did not make them available. Since then, there has been no effort to get answers to Senator Helms' questions.

[_Jim]

You don't mind if *I* draw up the papers on this deal - do you? It's not that I don't trust you, your real estate agent or your surveyor - I've got some special "provisos" I'd like to see in the contract in case I'm being sold 'a bill of goods' (LOL!) ..

[Red Jones]

you got me, I don't know how those systems work, I just know I read in National Review an article and it said the soviets had the ability to 'trick' the plane into flying off-course. I guess NR is part of a big conspiracy to make people look stupid who read their magazine.

[_Jim]

I guess NR is part of a big conspiracy to make people look stupid who read their magazine.

Chances are - THEY don't know what they hell they're writing - they just cite some other 'authority' who may or MAY NOT know what the hell he's writing.

Do you see how this mis-info/crap can spread?

[Poohbah]

Generally, I stay away from political newsmagazines like NR for accurate reporting of technical stuff. Just like I don't get my political opinions from technical journals.

I'm weird that way--I tend to make sure the guy knows what he's talking about before I pay him heed.

[Poohbah]

If there is anyone out there more technically illiterate than the average liberal arts major, I fear for the Republic...

[Red Jones]

yes, I see

[A Little Bird]

I just wanted to encourage everyone on this discussion to check out http://www.rescue007.org, the official website of the International Committee for the Rescue of KAL 007 Survivors, Inc. And if you haven't already done so, read Bert Schlossberg's book, Rescue 007: The Untold Story of KAL 007 and Its Survivors. I think you'll find the answers to many of the questions posted in the this discussion there.

[backhoe]

I have a few links here:

DUBOB 9-- even *more* tales from the Dark Underbelly of the Beast.....

IMO, the plane was blown to pieces- and we'll never be told the true story behind it.

[bimbo]

Our intelligence was too good to miss that one.

But our Intelligence has been known to mislead the public. That said, I do remember a lot of wreckage and luggage washing up on Japan's northern islands.

[bimbo]

What a sad situation to think the Soviets were quite capable of carrying out such a heinous crime.

You have to believe that Reagan had situations like this in mind when he called the Soviet Union an "Evil Empire."

[grania]

Our intelligence was too good to miss that one.

I'm not so sure, after 911.

[goodell70]

You wrote to me, "You've managed to steer yourself far from "truth and reality" in response to my statement that a person needs to read the "The New American" articles on this, and also see for himself Congressman McDonald's "The Subversion Factor" documentary video on ongoing Russian subversion of the U.S. Government. The easiest, most direct way to deal with McDonald was exactly what happened. Please, find out the background to all of this. See the video. Find out what is going on. Find out, for example, that this was not the first Korean Airliner that the Russians managed to get off course and shoot down. They were ready for exactly this kind of opportunity. Please, look into this. Find out for yourself what is actually going on.

[A Little Bird]

KAL 007 should have been navigated by the Inertial Navigation System (INS). Indeed, up until 1993, questions related to KAL 007's deviation from its route have been focused on the INS's fuctioning or programming (intentional or unintentional). The International Civil Aviation Organization's (ICAO) 1993 analysis of KAL 007's Digital Flight Data Recorder (DFDR, or one of the "black boxes") concluded that KAL 007's INS never captured the aircraft's autopilot. If it had, KAL 007 would have made turns (even though some very slight) at every "waypoint" inserted into the INS. (Every waypoint is, in effect, a turning point -- and for many of them a reporting point as well.) Instead of KAL 007 changing direction at waypoints, it followed a consistent (unchanging) track of 246 degrees (southwest). Why the INS had not captured the autopilot, thus allowing the aircraft to remain in the Magnetic Heading mode, is discussed in Frequently Asked Question #3 on the International Committee for the Rescue of KAL 007 Survivors, Inc's web site - www.rescue007.org. Rescue 007: The Untold Story of KAL 007 and its Survivors by Bert Schlossberg, Xlibris, also deals with KAL 007's deviation from "desired track." The book is available from xlibris.com.

[Poohbah]

Find out, for example, that this was not the first Korean Airliner that the Russians managed to get off course and shoot down.

You mind telling me how the Russians got the airliner to go off course in the first place? I'd love to hear YOUR version...

[goodell70]

Thank you. A Navy pilot friend pointed out to me at the time of this event that inertial navigational systems cannot be "led off course." My original reaction was to think that external navigational aids (radio beams, or whatever) were monkeyed with. I think everyone is agreed that the reason it went off course remains a "mystery." One answer to the mystery, albeit simplistic, is that a crew member (Communist Party agent) set the system wrong and did this intentionally. Big mistake, his complying with this kind of instruction, though (I mean, if this is what happened), because he is as much captive in Russia someplace today as the others. What is your personal honest opinion of what happened?

[Poohbah]

One answer to the mystery, albeit simplistic, is that a crew member (Communist Party agent) set the system wrong and did this intentionally. Big mistake, his complying with this kind of instruction, though (I mean, if this is what happened), because he is as much captive in Russia someplace today as the others. What is your personal honest opinion of what happened?

The system was set by the copilot. That would be your agent. Prove that he was an agent, and you've succeeded.

However, this kind of malfunction is ridiculously easy to induce on INS systems where the user manually punches in data on a keypad--I am amazed that this didn't happen a lot more often than it did back in the Bad Old Days before GPS (or even data entry from a preprogrammed tape). I go with Occam's Razor on this one: the simplest explanation is "human screwup." Also, if the plane landed somewhat intact, then you have a hard time explaining the wreckage that WAS recovered, and the passengers would be dead almost immediately on arrival (you cannot take ANY chances that one might escape--one LIVING passenger or crew member making it out of the USSR would spill the beans).

The argument presented for this case relies on numerous nonfactual assertions (it happens to require that the Earth be flat).

[A Little Bird]

The Inertrial Navigation System was never engaged, or if it had been engaged, it was set when KAL 007 was already off course more than the 7.5 Nautical Miles permissible deviation (the "Desired Track Capture Envelope"). KAL 007 was being navigated increasingly off course by its Magnestic Heading Mode set by Capt. Chun minutes after take-off. See posting number 74 in this discussion, and FAQ #3 on www.rescue007.org.

[Poohbah]

OK, fine. Then tell me how the Russians deceived a magnetic compass.

[A Little Bird]

I don't think that any one deceived the Magnetic Compass. Once the Inertial Navigation System failed to capture the autopilot, KAL 007 continued on its 246 degrees deviated track into Soviet territory. Just going by the evidence at hand, it is difficult to posit that the Russians shot down KAL 007 in order to get Larry McDonald (though I can't rule that out), but once having rescued the passengers and the crew and finding out just who they had in their hands, they could not release the rest of the people and not release McDonald - which they had no intention of doing! For the whereabouts of the passengers and crew after they had been rescued and imprisoned - up through the early 90's - see newly posted FAQ 10 of the International Committee for the Rescue of KAL 007 Survivors.