Posted on 12/21/2001 11:34:36 AM PST by onedoug
"You got me plum-hypnotized," Elmer Gantry says to Sister Sharon Falconer in that film/novel.
Is that the case with me over Joyce Meyer?
She seems pretty good at down-home preachin'. And while not a classic beauty, she yet ministers out a fair amount sex appeal, along with the word.
(I think, ultimately, it's those Texas/Missouri eyes.)
I post this to philosophy since, as I know she has a fair amount of, at least internet detractors, it yet seems that her ability to project the Word, is as anchored in the integrity of faith as any other TV preacher I can recall.
...Except perhaps the late Bishop Fulton J Sheen.
In short though, Meyer lately fascinates me, and I'm curious what other Freepers may think. Particularly Evangelicals!
Thanks, and Merry Christmas to All!
This is true. Cva66snipe and I had a discussion about God's will in healing, that if some people aren't healed, some people say it's the person's lack of faith why they weren't healed, rather than God's will. As an example, Paul prayed that God would heal him (the thorn in the flesh of which he spoke), yet it never happened. Can we then say that it was because Paul lacked the faith for God's healing? No. There was a purpose God allowed Paul to continue to have this thorn in his flesh, unbeknownst to Paul or us. Sometimes God's answer isn't "no," but it might be His will for us to "wait." Why? I would dare to God will pick the time for when He will receive the most glory from the healing or when it would have the most impact on someone's life (perhaps other than the one healed).
Luk 3:36 Which was [the son] of Cainan, which was [the son] of Arphaxad, which was [the son] of Sem, which was [the son] of Noe, which was [the son] of Lamech,. Clearly an example of a Jewish name.
Scriptural Definition of the word "Name" This will prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that the word "Name" not only means "character and reputation" but also a literal written and spoken name.
This is the definition of the Hebrew word "shem" which is translated as "name" all throughout scripture
Shem; a primitive word [through the idea of definite and conspicuous position]; an appellation, AS A MARK or memorial of individuality; by implication honor, authority, character: - + base, [in-] fame[-ous], name[-d], renown, report.
As you can see from the above definition, Yahweh's name is not only represents His character but the Name Yahweh is also HIS MARK! What is a mark but something that is written? The Name YAHWEH also is His memorial of individuality. This definition goes hand in hand with scripture:
Exodus 3:15-AV And Elohim said moreover to Moses, Thus shalt thou say to the children of Israel, YAHWEH Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob, hath sent me to you: this [is] my name for ever, and this [is] my memorial to all generations.
Even God's special name - spelled Yud-He-Vav-He - indicates the "I AM"/eternal nature of God. The three related Hebrew words, "haya" (was), "hove" (is/exists), and "yiheyeh" (will be) are all spelled with the same letters found in God's special name.
This special name is often translated as JeHoVaH or YaHWeH. The letters Y and J are often interchangeable among various lessons, likewise the V and W and the vowels were never assigned. This special name of God, also called the tetragramaton, was only uttered or voiced by the high priest on Yom Kipur, the day of atonement. In normal Hebrew reading, Jewish people substitute word "Adonai" (Lord) or the phrase "Ha Shem" - which literally means "the name". In many modern Bibles, the special name of God is written in all capitals, such as "LORD" or "LORD".
The word Shem, in Hebrew, actually means “name.” Yeshua, the Great I AM, is Hashem (THE NAME) Himself. I don’t believe that is a mistake in Scripture, either. Rather a weak interpretation or misspelling in your Hebrew concordance.
The faith movement DID go astray with warped messages but there ARE still "faith teachers" that teach it correctly.
As far as the reference to iron sharpening iron, the correct passage reads: "Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend."
Were you being my "friend" by lifting me up and encouraging me in the Lord... or looking for a way to tear me apart...doctrinally speaking, that is?
Scripture says we are to wait on the Lord, and only move forward when he tells us to.
Reference please? "Wait" also means to "Trust" or "Hope". What is the context and scripture you are referring to?
I need to check if the "desire in my heart" is God's or mine. Scripture says the heart is deceitful above all things.
I ask the Lord to search my heart and show me what displeases Him...so that I can remove it, repent of it.. or work through it.. with the help of His Holy Spirit.
Sometimes God says no because what we ask is not His will or plan. The danger in only believe affirmative answers are "signs" is that we can miss God or fail to glorify Him for His plans
Please reread my post and show me where you think I implied I adhered to this belief system with anything that I stated...k?
Jeremiah 29:11 "For I know the plans that I have for you,' declares the LORD, "plans for welfare and not for calamity to give you a future and a hope.
Jeremiah 29:11
And shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Even so will I break this people and this city, as one breaketh a potter's vessel, that cannot be made whole again: and they shall bury them in Tophet, till there be no place to bury.
Ummmm.....I think you posted the wrong scripture?
Anyway...this is exactly why I use a prayer journal. I go back to see in "retrospect" what prayers have been answered. Alot.....or should I say MOST are answered in ways I'm not always looking for...or expect them to be answered. They are still answered....nonetheless and He still gets ALL the Glory. It gives me great pleasure to use that journal to praise Him with... to honor Him for all the things He's done in my life.
Let's get back to topic now...shall we?
I don't keep a journal; perhaps I should. I think it's too easy to "forget" when we are in the midst of sadness or trouble that God answers prayers (this reminds me of Job, complaining that God must not love him because He let all these bad things happen, etc.) and Satan loves it when we're down, casting into our minds doubts and dispersions of ourselves and of God's love (that He couldn't possibly love us because of the sin we just committed, etc.).
Anyways, yes, that's also true how God answers our prayers so often in ways we could never have predicted, in ways we never thought possible (much less thought of).
If that is indeed your belief, and I have no reason to doubt it is, then may God guide and direct your path. Christians of every background should study to see if doctrines they embrace are true. There is a plethora of well thought out books addressing theology. From Augustine, to Calvin, to Luther, to Edwards, ect. We should read these books and glean understanding from the Saints of old.
Some of my reservations with Word of Faith doctrine is that it is completely absent from 1900 years of Christian thought; and emerged after the metaphysical sects wrote about how positive confession gives you your desires. I am but a human so if my theology is wrong, may God reveal it to me. I sincerly hope you have a happy new year and may both of us mature in our understanding of Gods word.
So true. It still amazes me to go back and realize I'd totally forgotten an "important" prayer..(at the time, anyway) and then to realize how God worked it out in such a quiet, gentle manner. (so much so.. that I missed it!) *chuckle* The gal that led me to the Lord... prompted me to journal so that I could bolster my faith during stressful times. It truly works. :)
You noticed that too huh? I spent a while in there last night looking up names like James Dobson yes even he is not up to Hanks standards. But then again that's Hanks web site and Hank himself seems to be a pusher of his own opinions and teachings as to how the scriptures should read. It seems Billy Graham missed his mark as well when Graham mentioned T.D. Jakes as being a person possibly drawing the masses to the Gospel as Graham is able to do. This seems to be more of a gossip site a Christian National Inquirer type thing than anything else.
Another so called document or publication was down right disgusting in it's rating of the Catholic Church. It came to the point of almost calling it a cult. The articles in various documents were attacking preachers for their views on the Jewish Abrahamic Covenant, the idea of pretribulation rapture, and other such articles were there as well. Pretribulation rapture to those of us who do believe it can be supported by scripture and understanding of such things as Hebrew customs. God called out Noah before judgement on the world. GOD called Israel out of Egypt before judging it, GOD called out Lott and his familly though a rascle Lott was. The first blast of the wedding trumpet has been sounded the announcement of the engagement. The second is to come when the father says the place prepared by the groom is sufficent. That is where no one knows what time Christ returns no one but the father knows. Only a Hebrew father of the groom could say Son bring home your bride you have made ready the place. That is whn the second trumpet occurs.
Now we can pretty well know when Christ is coming after the agreement the 7 year agreement is made in Israel with the Anti-Christ those days even in the Bible are said to be taken literal. No one who is left here will realize when Christ is coming back to earth because they rejected him and his word. The believers the way I read will be gone. Yes some will come through the tribulation. Calling out of GOD's people before judgements is well established in the Bible.
That is my belief. But I also understand it could be in any other order in the middle of the tribulation perhaps. But as the Hebrew Children so stated Our GOD can deliver us from the furnace. But even if we are to suffer it is better to do so than deny GOD.
I agree. Before I was saved... I was going to a church that was big into metaphysics. Ooeeegooey feel-good...projecting "the light" on your enemies to get them to agree with you or change their mind...etc. It's manipulation and witchcraft... with a sugar-coating.
Problem is...that some have a knee-jerk reaction to all faith-based doctrines, without looking into the basis of their teaching.... whether they are scripturally sound... and Christ is preached.
Hope you have a Blessed New Year!
Leonard Bernstein's Chichester Psalms bump.
Yes, there's something very wrong when people believe the scriptures say women are not allowed to teach. The angels appeared first to the women who came to Jesus' tomb and told them He isn't there, for them to "go and tell." Then Jesus later appeared Himself first to the women and told them also "go and tell" the disciples where to meet Him. If women weren't supposed to "go and tell" anyone something spiritual, why would the angels and Jesus be telling them, "go and tell" about the good news, of Christ's resurrection?
The original poster of this thread asked for information about Joyce Meyer. I've watched Meyer a few times and felt she was offering psycho-babble rather than solid biblical teaching from the word of God. I posted CRI's comments because they seemed to deal with details. The words speak for themselves.
I've heard and witnessed Hank from CRI and your assumption of him not saying anything nice about anyone is absolutely wrong.
Perhaps you should remove the branch from your own eye before pointing out the spec in someone elses. You have insulted me and my faith and my intentions.
True. I've prayed with/over alot of my patients... some of them were healed rapidly (or surprisingly to others).. and some of them are still struggling with their illness/handicap. I certainly don't question God's ability to heal them.....nor their own faith level. God has it all worked out from beginning to end.
when it would have the most impact on someone's life (perhaps other than the one healed).
I smiled when I read that... because I've seen that too...in several instances. Hard to explain, because we don't understand everything God is doing... which is why we learn to trust.
Romans 8:28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.
John 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? 3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
Blessings to you!
Personally... I think the whole matter has been taken out of context. :)
This came from the Old Testament, generational sin (my Bible references to Ex. 20:5). Jesus is saying that deformities and illness are not always because of sin (yet I now hear from people that if someone is struck with something, i.e., mental illness, they must have sinned to have gotten depressed, etc.). I wonder if Jesus would say the same today of mental illness as He did physical? (I would venture to say yes.)
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