US investigating whether nukes in country

Washington Times ^ | 12/20/01 | RICHARD SALE

[JustPiper]

Federal law enforcement officials are investigating to determine whether sleeper cells or freelance agents of Saudi terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden may have smuggled small, portable nuclear weapons or radiological bombs into the United States.

The deepest concern centers on the chance that bin Laden has acquired and will use a finished nuclear weapon. Rep. Chris Shays, R-Conn., chairman of the House subcommittee on national security, told United Press International: "It's possible, and it's very scary."

[Uncle Bill]

The Unfriendly Skies
"Chinese military sources revealed they are now fielding large numbers of neutron bombs. Moreover, Chinese officials implied they would use nuclear weapons, if need be, to take the island nation of Taiwan. No super-power has openly threatened first-use of nuclear weapons since President John Kennedy faced the Soviet Union over Cuba in 1962.

...What the Cox Report did not relay to the American public was that the missile was in a box mislabeled as "Machine Parts." What the Cox Report withheld was that the airliner was owned jointly by the Chinese government and Clinton buddy-billionaire, Moctar Riady. What the Cox Report did not release was the Chinese missile was bound for Israel and was to be upgraded with stolen U.S. Sidewinder technology."

[Free Vulcan]

A side issue here, but curious as the rule of thumb to guage the EMP radius of a nuke of a certain size air detonated at a given altitude? Curious as to how much damage they could do in that fashion if they would ever get their hands on one.

[Poohbah]

That is one of the more complex issues regarding nuclear weapons. There isn't a simple answer that says "every electronic device within this circle is destroyed, everything outside this circle is safe." Heck, you could have two identical devices (laptop computers, say) right next to each other and one would become a $2500 paperweight, the other wouldn't even hiccup.

[OKCSubmariner]

BUMP for more on Chinese neutron bombs and more of the "untold story" not in the Cox Report.

I wonder how much of what is in this story may have not been included in the unofficial FR archive Downside Legacy because some might say they could not find it as they have said about other omitted information??

We should check on and keep track of these possible "inconsistencies" as they come up so we can know how much confidence we should have in the unofficial records compiled by others. Perhaps the others can be persuaded to include significant stories omitted from their unofficial archives.

[OKCSubmariner]

Ooops! I forgot to write that the story/article referred to by reply #65 was the article/story in Uncle Bill's reply #60, "The Unfriendly Skies" with Link:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=20523

[OKCSubmariner]

Please see replies #60, #65 and #66.

[OKCSubmariner]

Please see replies #60, #65 and #66.

[Poohbah]

Are you going to answer the questions I raised about "Red Mercury" back in Post #42?

[OKCSubmariner]

From reply #32 (article quote):

"Cohen says the Russians have built and tested mini-nukes, and that Americans and Russians are cooperating on pure fusion. He says that a Russian bomb was brought to Los Alamos ("by Federal Express" from a Russian plane in Washington) and successfully TESTED."

What was posted in reply #32 was an excerpt of a larger report of a debate between physiscist Ed Teller and Sam Cohen. Here is another telling paragraph from the debate (for the full text, see the link in reply #32):

"Dr. Teller agreed with most of this--INCLUDING the successful TEST [of a Russian mini nuke] at Los Alamos--but rejected red mercury as "nonsense," possibly "a pure hoax." Cohen was more impressed with the agreement than the disagreement. As he was leaving the building, I heard him say that from now on, he would "quote Teller word for word," and had ordered tapes of the meeting for that purpose.

As acknowledged in reply #32, Teller and Cohen disagree about red mercury. However, both are preiminent physicsists and neither should be dismissed out of hand. Some have even suggested that Teller was covering and that there is more to red mercury than it being a "possible hoax".

Daughter products of irradiated compounds of mercury and antimony oxide left over when red mercury decays may be what Cohen is referring to since Cohen himself stated in the debate that irradiated red mercury has a half life of a couple of days.

Those interested in the subject of red mercury should address their questions to William Jasper, a friend and interviewer of Sam COhen, and a Senior editor at the New American Magazine at 920-749-3789.

Equally significant about the remark's attributed to Ed Teller, is that Teller verified and agreed with Sam Cohen that the Russians were working with US scientists at Los Alamos and had test fired a Russian mini nuke at Los Alamos (what kind of mini nuke- a neutron, thermonuclear or fissile device was not identified). This level and extent of cooperation reflects an administration policy decision that had been known to and made by the President himself.

This is consistent with what I know personally because I refused and objected to an offer of employment at Kirtland AFB next door to Los Alamos from the Reagan/ Bush administration that they told me required my particpation with Russian scientists in US labs on SDI and nuclear devices. I still object to the US and Russian scientists working at our labs on nuclear devices and SDI (missile defense).

Also Cohen has written that he beleives that former President Bush gave the neutron bomb to CHina.

The alleged behavior by Bush with testing of the Russian mini nukes and the giveaway of the neutron bomb with the Chinese is also consistent with Bush's unilateral disarmament of the US neutron bomb in Sept 1991 and his urging that SDI technology be given/shared with Russia and CHina.

His son GW Bush has now unilaterally cut back the dilivery systems of the US nuclear arsenal to dangerous levels below 2500 and has given Putin of Russia operational details of the US missle defense system and has suggested that US and Russia jointly operate the US missile defense system and share development details further(something former President Bush did also).

[Poohbah]

I see a LOT of obfuscation. I see no concrete answers to some very basic questions that I posed.

Tell ya what, dude--why don't YOU get in touch with Mr. Jasper, and get some definitive answers to these questions? I'm a wee bit tired of being told to do other people's homework.

Then again, someone who was approached to do work on nuclear weapons and SDI at Los Alamos would surely know enough physics to ID a BS job when he sees one.

[winodog]

When you say christians in action I am assuming you mean the CIA. I have never heard them called that. Any info would be appreciated.

[OKCSubmariner]

Please see replies #60, #65 and #66.

[Uncle Bill]

The Nuclear Genie No One Knows by Sam Cohen
"The materials considered to be of "weapons grade" that are covered by the NPT are very highly enriched uranium (U-235) and plutonium (Pu-239). The NPT does not put any strictures on the production of a host of radiation-emitting radioactive materials that can be created through neutron absorption using non-weapons grade uranium in a simple, compact nuclear reactor.

Non-weapons grade uranium exists in huge quantities in a number of countries, including terrorist countries — any of which is free to sell or otherwise distribute this material to others, including terrorists, without violating any arms control treaty. This uranium can be used to construct a very small, simple fission reactor. With ease, many countries could construct such a reactor or purchase one and be on their way to producing, through neutron absorption, large amounts of radioactive materials emitting nuclear radiation — at reactor power levels far below those associated with the production of electricity. What terrorist nation wouldn’t be interested in such a technology?"

U.S. tax dollars build nuke plant in China

Experts concerned over 3-way arms race
"Pakistan is widely seen as backed by China. According to documents obtained from the Clinton administration, China sold Pakistan 34 nuclear-tipped M-11 missiles in 1992. The M-11 missiles are based at Sargodha air force base, west of Lahore, next to the Pakistani plutonium reactor at Khushab.

China reportedly assisted Pakistan in developing an advanced plutonium warhead for the M-11 missiles. China also recently built a missile-production facility for Pakistan and the M-11 is produced in Pakistan as the Shaheen missile."

Islamic nukes
"Pakistan currently produces enough highly enriched uranium (HEU) to make nine or 10 nukes each year. Furthermore, since 1998, they could have been producing 10 to 15 kilograms of Plutonium in their heavy-water, natural-uranium reactor at Kushab.

But, the Kushab reactor can be used to produce tritium – rather than Plutonium – to be used in "boosted" weapons. If you know what that means, keep it to yourself. If you don't, it means the Pakistanis know how to make very sophisticated fission nukes. The Kushab reactor – if used to produce tritium – would produce enough to boost perhaps 20 or so small sophisticated fission weapons, with design yields of up to 100KT. According to Dr. Khan, most of the Pakistani devices tested in 1998 were "boosted" nuke designs.

Pakistan is also manufacturing very pure reactor-grade graphite and has its own heavy-water plant. Hence, Pakistan apparently has the capability to build additional plutonium-tritium production reactors, for themselves or others.

Unlike Iraq, none of the Pakistani nuke infrastructure is subject to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) safeguards and security regime. Pakistan is not a Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) signatory."

Nuclear Forces Guide

Pakistan Special Weapons Agencies

Is Beijing using terror networks? Experts see Chinese involvement in global cells as means to an end

China has developed increasingly close ties with the Taliban and, according to news reports, recently signed a memorandum of understanding for more economic and technical cooperation. The memorandum is the most substantial part of a series of Chinese contacts with Afghanistan over the last two years. China now has the closest relationship with the isolated Kabul regime of any non-Muslim country, a senior Western diplomat said.

China has pursued commercial and military ties with nations on a U.S. blacklist of ``state sponsors of terrorism,'' including Iran, Iraq, Libya, Sudan, North Korea, Syria and Cuba

[Squantos]

Yes, old nickname for em learned and used from my service days......

[OKCSubmariner]

For reply #71:

I answered your questions in my reply #70. I can not help it if you want to pretend they were not answered.

Also, you have not come up with an adequate response to the FACT that both Teller and Cohen agreed the Russian mini nuke was tested at Los Alamos when you earlier flatly claimed it could not be true. You are still pretending to not acknowledge the truth.

All I read from what you write are wild claims of BS and obfuscation you attribute to others-not a FACTUAL or substantive basis on you part, only just more wild claims and wild uninformed questions while ignoring concrete answers. Typical Repub and Democrat spin tactics and politics of personal destruction on your part.

I gave out Bill Jasper's contact info so others like you could convince yourselves rather than relying on what others write that you would ignore and would pretend do not give out concrete answers. You can pick up the phone and dial the phone number anytime. If you feel like you are working too hard these days, give it a rest and then dial later. It might be good for you. But will you give us a reliable report back as to what Jasper says, Hmm?

I suggest that you and the other historical apologists and revisionists go play with yourselves, play your delusional games of spin, of ignoring important concrete answers and of engaging in wild claims of BS or obfuscation.

There is another tactic others have tried that you might also like trying-"it must not be true because we can't find it." But if you try that tactic and someone does find "it" for you ,will you pretend it does not exist, ignore it or whine by pretending you did not get concrete answers? Go find "it " for yourself and the others if you are SO sure of what you wildly claim.

[OKCSubmariner]

Much thanks for the info in your reply #74.

Great animated image at the end!

I guess there wili be some others who want to deny what you posted, will just ignore it and pretend it was never posted. They probably will claim like other revisionists and apologists that they still cannot find it and therefore it can't go in their archives even if public but unofficial.

[OKCSubmariner]

Another obervation about Uncle Bill great reply #74:

Tell me why is it that GW Bush ,Condi Rice, the Repubs and Democrats & Congress and American corporations continue to ignore China's terrorism and hold business as usual with China? Are they stupid enough to believe that unfair trade with China will reform CHina?

Why would Bush unilaterally disarm the US of its nuclear delivery systems in face of a belligerant nuke buildup of terror states (and China) by China with an already imposing nuke threat from Russia?

Why would Bush propose sharing US missle defense operational and possible development details with the Russians and CHinese?

I do not agree with GW Bush policies in these areas and I doubt his judgement and motives best serve America (no matter how bad Clinton's corrupt behavior and policies were). Are these Bush bad policies the fruits of Third Way and COmmunitarianism thinking that Bush advisors in the White House advocate?

[1 FELLOW FREEPER]

See Dick Morris column today in the New York Post.

[Poohbah]

I answered your questions in my reply #70. I can not help it if you want to pretend they were not answered.

And Bill Clinton answered Kenneth Starr's questions. Said answers were completely unsatisfactory--as your response #70 was.

Also, you have not come up with an adequate response to the FACT that both Teller and Cohen agreed the Russian mini nuke was tested at Los Alamos when you earlier flatly claimed it could not be true. You are still pretending to not acknowledge the truth.

OK, so let me get this straight: the Department of Energy (DoE) moved the numero uno Holy Grail for terrorists of all stripes, an easily pilferable device, via FedEx. That is what Sam Cohen claims. Now, either DoE's security has collapsed to the point where one hijacked FedEx truck (heck, make that one dishonest FedEx driver or shipping clerk) threatens Western Civilization, or Sam Cohen is full of fecal material. While the former appeals to the prejudices of many on Free Republic, the latter is far more likely to be true.

All I read from what you write are wild claims of BS and obfuscation you attribute to others-not a FACTUAL or substantive basis on you part, only just more wild claims and wild uninformed questions while ignoring concrete answers.

Oh, really? Asking for an explanation of how, for example, this compound can undergo such an massive upward shift in its enthalpy without a similar increase in its entropy, while simultaneously doing useful work, does NOT fit my definition of "wild uninformed questions."

Typical Repub and Democrat spin tactics and politics of personal destruction on your part.

In case no one told you this...lifting lines straight out of the Clinton Pity-Party Handbook is a non-starter here on FR. Deal with it.

I gave out Bill Jasper's contact info so others like you could convince yourselves rather than relying on what others write that you would ignore and would pretend do not give out concrete answers.

Let's get this straight: if you are making the assertion here on FR, it's incumbent on you to supply the evidence. That's the way reasoned debate works. Telling someone to call a buddy of yours is NOT supplying evidence, it's simply telling him to do YOUR work for you.

You can pick up the phone and dial the phone number anytime.

Please give me your calling card number, so I can bill the call to the guy who's SUPPOSED to make it.

If you feel like you are working too hard these days, give it a rest and then dial later.

Naw, I have a better idea: I charge $150 an hour for consulting services, with an 10-hour minimum. You want me to do your work for you, you can pony up the money.

It might be good for you.

Then again, it might good for you to do your own work instead of acting like a lazy bum. Fancy that...

But will you give us a reliable report back as to what Jasper says, Hmm?

Once again: there is a little rule in debate that says when you make an assertion, it is incumbent on YOU to provide the supporting evidence. The fact that you did not solidly address any of the questions I raised--and they are serious questions of basic physics and weapons surety--is YOUR problem, not mine.

I suggest that you and the other historical apologists and revisionists go play with yourselves,

Ooh, I must have hit a nerve there. Lots of class, dude. Lots of class. Too bad it's also a sign of complete intellectual bankruptcy.

play your delusional games of spin, of ignoring important concrete answers and of engaging in wild claims of BS or obfuscation.

Your answers were as complete and as factual as the sworn testimony offered by Billy-Jeff Clinton. I didn't give Bubba the Hutt a pass--I sure as heck won't give YOU one.

There is another tactic others have tried that you might also like trying-"it must not be true because we can't find it."

Well, believe it or not, it's actually a valid point. If these amazing super-duper weapons actually exist and are that cheap to make, then they will be used by the bad guys at some point. Instead, Osama bin Rotten--who supposedly has enough money to buy a gazillion "Red Mercury" mini-neutron bombs, and the contacts to obtain same--is forced to have his lads hijack 757 and 767 aircraft, and turn them into improvised cruise missiles. That is one very powerful argument against the existence of these weapons, or $400 EMP bombs, or whatever else exists in the active imaginations of people who go into the business of conjuring up boogeymen to scare people.

The real world is plenty scary enough, it doesn't need embellishment.

But if you try that tactic and someone does find "it" for you ,will you pretend it does not exist, ignore it or whine by pretending you did not get concrete answers?

What you have "found" is that someone is making a lot of statements about a substance that completely defies basic physics. That wouldn't be bad, in and of itself, except that this person somehow neglects to explain HOW this substance is able to do such amazing feats.

Go find "it " for yourself and the others if you are SO sure of what you wildly claim.

I don't claim a damn thing--I am asking you to provide positive evidence that this substance exists and performs as advertised. So far, I've gotten a lot of arm-waving, but no solid data.