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US investigating whether nukes in country
Washington Times ^ | 12/20/01 | RICHARD SALE

Posted on 12/20/2001 10:32:38 PM PST by JustPiper

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:50:10 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: ignatz_q
On Hardball tonight Chris questioned Curt Weldon about the Sales article. He didn't get any denial. matter of fact Rep. Weldon was very graphic in his appearance. He came on with a suitcase bomb! He addressed many things about the Sales article without even knowing about it.
41 posted on 12/21/2001 5:30:00 PM PST by JustPiper
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To: OKCSubmariner
They could be made by several countries known to sponsor terrorism, and could be carried in a sandwich bag. The new type of non-nuclear explosives are called ballotechnic materials. Cohen says that unlike other explosives, they produce no bang, no cloud, keep the same shape while they detonate, "but Boy!, do they get hot!" Ballotechnics may have already led to very small fission bombs as well as pure fusion.

Let me get this straight. The substance undergoes a massive temperature increase from CHEMICAL reactions only? And yet it doesn't change its density or volume, despite this temperature increase? And it produces no blast? Yeah, Sam, pull my other leg, willya?

Cohen identifies the mysterious "red mercury" (of TV documentary fame) as a ballotechnic material. He offers this "recipe:" take mercury-antimony oxide, compress it, and bombard with neutrons. He says it is slightly radioactive, with a half-life of a couple of days.

Huh? Would somebody mind explaining what the decay products of mercury and antimony are? Also, if its half-life is only a couple days, and you need (for example) 100 grams of the substance, and you stick 400 grams into a bomb casing, you have (assuming you pulled straight out of the neutron bombardment) four days to use the device. After that, there isn't enough of the stuff for it to work. Also, the (unidentified) decay products might "poison" any reaction (assuming that you can get any nuclear reaction from a chemical reaction). For example, 3He is a decay product of tritium, and helium-3 has an absolutely voracious appetite for neutrons--several US nuclear tests were "fizzles" due to helium contamination.

Cohen says the Russians have built and tested mini-nukes, and that Americans and Russians are cooperating on pure fusion. He says that a Russian bomb was brought to Los Alamos ("by Federal Express" from a Russian plane in Washington) and successfully tested. .....

Uh-huh. If they REALLY thought they were moving a nuke, it wouldn't have been sent via FedEx.

The terrorist potential of mini neutron bombs is horrifying. One possibility mentioned by Cohen involved a US State Of The Union address.'

Even worse: the moose that bit my sister could use it on cheese. Just as likely a threat.

Most frightening for Cohen is the relative ease by which neutron bombs can be created with a substance called red mercury. Red mercury is a compound containing mercury that has undergone massive irradiation. When exploded, it creates tremendous heat and pressure - the same type needed to trigger a fusion device such as a mini-neutron bomb. Before, an obstacle to creating a nuclear bomb was the need for plutonium, which when exploded could create a fusion reaction in hydrogen atoms. But red mercury has changed that. The cheap substance has been produced in Russia, Cohen said, and shipped on the black market throughout the world.

If it's THAT cheap, then why hasn't anybody set off a mini-neutron bomb in downtown Manhattan? Why did Osama bin Rotten have to have some dopey followers hijack some airplanes?

According to Jonathan Eyal, director of the royal United Services Institute for Defence Studies (which is connected to the British Department of Defence) in London, England, "Red mercury is definitely used in the production of nuclear weapons with Soviet technology.

Well, yes. That's because "Red Mercury" was the codename given to lithium deuteride, a critical component of thermonuclear weapons, by the Soviet government. It's critical in ANY thermonuclear weapon, unless you want to use liquid deuterium, and have a device roughly the size of a railroad tank car.

Red mercury is of great interest to third world countries that want to make nuclear bombs, because the technology is different and cheaper than that used in the west.

Actually, it's of interest because XUSSR stockpile security is downright pathetic. Much easier to get 6LiD from Ivan than from Uncle Sam...

And in Italy, Judge Romano Dolce in Milano presided over a case where two kilograms red mercury are reported to have been sold for US$800,000. He said, "Red mercury is not a bluff, but a business for weapons purposes. Red mercury is viewed as an important ingredient in production of nuclear weapons and buyers are prepared to pay millions of dollars for it."

May I please see the judge's credentials in nuclear physics? Perhaps he can explain those discrepancies I pointed out earlier.

42 posted on 12/21/2001 5:40:01 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: Intimidator
Tend to agree; they knew we'd hit back and they may not get another chance. And, if they decide to use a nuke, they'd better consider evacuating the Middle East first.
43 posted on 12/21/2001 6:32:54 PM PST by katze
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To: Stevieboy
It is in today's Wash Times, done by a enior WH correspondent, and written a tad differently.
44 posted on 12/21/2001 7:22:23 PM PST by katze
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To: JustPiper
Rep. Weldon has been carrying his "suitcase bomb" around for a long time. It's not based on anything scientific (or anything actually built). It's just a model designed to scare people.

I'm really not trying to downplay the potential dangers of nuclear terrorism. However, Sale is a known liar, and Weldon seems more interested in fear-mongering than in dealing with any actual threats.

Journalists and politicians... can you think of two groups with less credibility?

45 posted on 12/21/2001 9:26:19 PM PST by ignatz_q
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To: ignatz_q
Earlier this evening I read another post here that confirms Weldon in fact has been using this suitcase as a prop in congress quite awhile, so this backs what you say. The other is I agree most journalists and politicians are unscrupulous. but there are some I feel are honest and to me Weldon's drama bears no shame on his integrity and I believe he's one of the good guys. On Sales I know nothing.
46 posted on 12/21/2001 10:43:29 PM PST by JustPiper
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To: harpseal; Squantos; Travis McGee; Sit-Rep; Sneakypete; Fred Mertz; pocat
What would the political implications of going nuke be? Would OBL lose the support he now has from some of the more moderate arabs? Maybe I am in denial this morning. However, denial or not, we have restocked from Y2K, in fact have even gone beyond that as the gov't will more than likely concentrate on finding the terrorists and survival will be up to the people.
47 posted on 12/22/2001 1:11:55 AM PST by SLB
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To: SLB
"What would the political implications of going nuke be? Would OBL lose the support he now has from some of the more moderate arabs?"

No, the result would be quite the opposite. He'd rise to hero status even more than he already has. The Arabs like to "back the winner", especially if he's one of their own. They hold "weakness" in contempt, and further, they perceive what we see as "reasonableness" (and all that goes with it) as weakness. A surprise attack, a stunning strike below the belt -- these are things they'd view as "courageous" and "strong".

Look at the whole "you can't continue bombing during ramadan!" drama. There was a rising crescendo of opposition, lots of bravado, and the underlying (emphasis on the last two syllables of that word) assumption that we simply couldn't dare bomb the enemy during his "holy month".

Yet, as soon as ramadan began, and the bombing continued, the mouths were stopped. They shut up when they saw us act with what they perceived as strength. "Strength" in that culture means doing what you want in the face of opposition. The stronger the opposition, and the more outrageous the "what you want", the greater the display of "strength" -- and, the greater the degree of "earned" respect (especially from those who opposed the action the most vociferously!)

Very few Americans seem able to grasp this, and it will be our ultimate downfall, as the "movers and shakers" seem to be for the most part among that number.

48 posted on 12/22/2001 3:01:17 AM PST by Don Joe
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To: SLB
Some of the people I know that stocked up for Y2K seemed somewhat disappointed that "nothing" happened, and asked me what to do with some of their supplies. I told them to keep it, because someday they will need it. I think that "someday" is on its way...
49 posted on 12/22/2001 3:42:11 AM PST by pocat
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To: Intimidator
The worst mistake one can make in a war is to underestimate the enemy, especially one who's mindset is alien to one's own.

*That* is exactly what we are facing with the Al-Qaeda organization, and their possible (I say probable) owners, the Chinese - a completely different mindset, with views alien to our own.

Now is the time for vigillance (sp?), not arrogance.

50 posted on 12/22/2001 4:29:39 AM PST by Gemflint
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To: OKCSubmariner
Go watch that movie with George Clooney...Peacemaker. With a switcheroo. The nukes don't have to be imported. Our FBI has been infiltrated with KGB according to Keith Idema...on whose story that movie is based.
51 posted on 12/22/2001 5:44:13 AM PST by rubbertramp
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To: Poohbah
Any input on this? How often do these nukes need to be "refreshed" so they don't "fizzle"?
52 posted on 12/22/2001 6:41:15 AM PST by rdavis84
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To: Clintons a Liar
You had asked some questions on one or more of the earlier Disrupter infested threads about the "backpack" or "suitcase" nukes. This Insight article is right on without an excess of hype so I'd thought I'd flag you to this one.
53 posted on 12/22/2001 6:57:31 AM PST by rdavis84
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To: SLB,DennisW
If an Islamic Bomb went off in America or Israel, Moslems would need a new place to go on Haj, unless they were willing to pray to a smoking blackened glowing crater a half mile wide.

And they had better know it!

Dennis, do you still have your "before and after" image of Mecca?

54 posted on 12/22/2001 7:05:29 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
I know which one you are talking about. Sad to say I don't have it or it's URL. Below is Mecca and it must be during Hajj. I wonder if any pickpockets are working the crowd.


55 posted on 12/22/2001 7:12:58 AM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw
I might have it around somewhere.
56 posted on 12/22/2001 12:10:44 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: JustPiper
Please note the date on the following. Much of this was brought out early on, but the usual mouths replied so loudly, so volumously, and so arrogantly to those of us giving early warning that most of the threads were deleted. Most know who I mean.

Bin Laden has several Nuclear Suitcases

Reproduced from the Jerusalem Report: October 25th, 1999 --- http://christianactionforisrael.org/isreport/septoct99/binladen.html

Master terrorist Ossama Bin Laden has acquired portable nuclear devices, a U.S.-based expert on non-conventional terror believes. The only real question now is whether BinLaden has "a few," as Russian intelligence seems to think, or "over 20," a figure cited by intelligence services of moderate Arab regimes. "There is no longer much doubt that Bin Laden has finally succeeded in his quest for nuclear ‘suitcase bombs," says Yossef Bodansky, head of the Congressional Task Force on Non-Conventional Terrorism in Washington. In a recent book, Bodansky reports that Bin Laden’s associates acquired the devices through Chechnya, paying the Chechens $30 million in cash and two tons of Afghan heroin, worth about $70 million in Afghanistan and about 10 times that on the street in Western cities.

Bodansky’s statements corroborate 1998 testimony by former Russian security chief Alexander Lebed to the U.S. House of Representatives. Lebed said that 43 nuclear suitcases from the former Soviet arsenal, developed for the KGB in the 1970s, have vanished since the collapse of the former Soviet Union a decade ago. Lebed said one person could detonate such a bomb by himself, and kill 100,000 people.

Among the others who recognize the threat is Ben Venzke, director of Tempest Publishing. The U.S. firm plans to release a detailed technical handbook on dealing with nuclear terror next year. The danger, says Venzke, is quite real and is not confined to stolen Russian weapons. "It is really quite simple," he says, "to acquire radioactive material and combine it with an explosive or so-called dirty device." Yael Haran

More at link----- http://christianactionforisrael.org/isreport/septoct99/binladen.html

57 posted on 12/22/2001 2:47:27 PM PST by rdavis84
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To: rdavis84
This Insight article is right on without an excess of hype so I'd thought I'd flag you to this one.

Thank you!

58 posted on 12/22/2001 8:15:09 PM PST by JustPiper
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To: rdavis84
Holy Cra* Batman, early is right!
59 posted on 12/22/2001 8:16:57 PM PST by JustPiper
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