Posted on 11/27/2001 1:52:03 PM PST by sandydipper
Today I had conversation with a commercial pilot who said that in July of 1996 just after the SHOOT DOWN of TWA800 a co-worker also a commercial pilot told him that he was sent to Paris to pick up the TWA president and fly him back to DC. The second pilot was a military pilot at the time and said that as soon as they returned to DC the TWA guy was helicoptered to the White House.
When we do wrap up the immediate and critical phase of ops overseas and the investigations start, it isn't going to be pretty, folks. I expect to see hundreds of people forced to resign, and several dozens ultimately prosecuted, possibly even for treason.
All over the Internet for anyone who cares to look.
They're on Rivero's site someplace. (I'd supply a link but I get the feeling you wouldn't look anyway, for some strange reason.) Ian Goddard has posted them. Paris Match has published them. Kallstrom et al. call these images (Note the "s." There's more than one, and they move in a time sequence on a collision course with the TWA 800 radar returns.) on ATC radar "anomalies."
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-Index of TWA 800--Archive articles--
Pretty sure there are references to the "30-knot track" in all of that...
More mythology from the "fifth grade was a bear -- both years" crowd. There are literally thousands of boats and hundreds of aircraft in the New York area at any time.
Let's see, when a missile is fired at an aircraft there is a very bright exhaust and a LARGE plume of smoke that lingers. Some witnesses saw a momentary "streak of light." Hmmm... sounds more like a Buck Rogers Death Ray. NO witness saw the lingering smoke plume. Hey, Mr. "huh huh huh," how come there was no shrapnel damage on the airframe? How come the explosion came from inside the plane and not out? (believe it or not, people who study this stuff can tell which side the blast was on... because the metal bends away from it. Imagine that!).
How come there are several other cases of these explosions?
How come the only theory for which there's physical evidence is an internal fuel explosion?
How come spectrographic analysis shows no explosives residue? Do you know what spectrographic analysis is and why they used it?
Then he had to quit that lie when he realised that
And your proof that it is a lie is... the fact that you don't agree with it? Okay, I'll take your word over the army of criminal and aviation investigators who spent a year of more of their lives on this case.
a rougue helicopter,
You probably mean rogue (uncontrolled, indisciplined). Of course you could mean rouge in which case we know whose helicopter it is, RuPaul's. But what you wrote is not a common English word.
flying helter skelter around N.Y.
Actually, whoever was flying it probably had a reason.
and" nobody" know who it is, or where there from, or where they went is totally unbelievable, and would be darn right scary if it were true!
Well, get scared, because (prior to 9/11, and again when the National Airspace System returns to normalcy) you can actually take your helicopter and fly it in lots of places, even right in New York City (there is a VFR corridor around Manhattan in normal times). You not only don't need to talk to any controller, they would actually just as soon you didn't and just followed the rules (they're busy guys and gals in there!). You can also take a boat and go for a cruise or a sail without telling a single soul. You can get into your car and drive to Chicago and Mayor Daley won't have the slightest idea you are coming. It is a concept called freedom of movement, present in all free societies and absent in all police states.
Perhaps you preferred the Soviet system where one's comings and goings are logged by professional snoops in every block.
I won't bother to correct the grammar in the sentence I quoted. It was a mess, but perfectly comprehensible. But you should check things carefully, because no one will take your writing seriously unless you bring it up to middle school level.
So how about it--was it a 30-Knot boat, or was it, as Kallstrom said on national t.v., a helicopter?!
So what earthly difference does it make when the aircraft was absolutely, positively not hit by a missile? And where there is utterly no sign of a missile having been fired, except for some eyewitnesses seeing a "streak of light" which is not what a surface-to-air missile resembles?
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Shoulder-launched missiles persist for only a few seconds, just like fireworks do which many witnesses said it looked like. They don't leave a LARGE plume of smoke, and certainly not if the launch platform is out at sea.
NO witness saw the lingering smoke plume.
Not true - some claimed to see such a thing. One person even took a picture of it. The FBI confiscated the photos and negatives, won't release them, and then stated "dust was found to be on the negative." I'll bet it was, only film that was in a clean room the entire time won't have dust on it. Why don't they return the picture?
how come there was no shrapnel damage on the airframe?
There are puncture holes - look at the reconstruction photos. Medical examiner Charles Wetli stated "virtually ALL the bodies had shrapnel." Is this common in plane crashes? Why did the FBI stand over the medical examiners and confiscate every piece of shrapnel that was removed, as it was removed, and didn't turn them over? (And, now they are "lost?")
How come the explosion came from inside the plane and not out?
There's an incoming puncture wound on the plane on one side, and an out-going on the other. *Just* *like* when something external passes through.
How come there are several other cases of these explosions?
There are also cases of planes being shot down. Neither has any bearing on what happened to TWA 800.
How come the only theory for which there's physical evidence is an internal fuel explosion?
Because the FBI lost all the other evidence. Major Meyer, a National Guard helicopter pilot and eyewitness to the crash, took a piece of leading-edge wing, covered with puncture holes to an airport for transport to the Washington FBI lab. It's now gone. After the "red residue" made such a fuss, the FBI removed ALL the fabric that had it from the reconstruction. It, too, is now gone.
How come spectrographic analysis shows no explosives residue? Do you know what spectrographic analysis is and why they used it?
The first time they checked samples, they found lots of explosive traces - and even came up with a bogus dog training exercise to explain away how it got there, despite the fact that the traces were found in places the training exercise didn't go. When they took the metal pieces that had hits to their Washington lab, low and behold ALL of them came back negative. Surprise. Popular Science reported one witness to the recovery effort as having seen recovery personelle pressure-washing certain pieces. This is to preserve the traces of chemical evidence that might be on them, right?
And where there is utterly no sign of a missile having been fired, except for some eyewitnesses seeing a "streak of light" which is not what a surface-to-air missile resembles?
There were over a hundred people who saw something rise "from the surface," including several military people like Meyer who had seen missiles before and swear that is what they saw then.
It's a great example of a shoddy cover-up. Plenty of clues that it's all a sham, but good enough to convince most people that nothing's going on, nothing at all.
Does it bother you that Boeing itself stated they "did not fully understand the data" used to create the CIA animation - or that the CIA was even involved in the first place in making a show for the media on "what the witnesses REALLY saw"? Does it bother you that jet fuel will put out a burning rag, but that a spark you wouldn't feel on your hand blew the plane up? How about the fact that the zoom climb scenario advance by both the CIA and two other times by the NTSB - and each of the three inconsistent with the others - is aerodynamically impossible?
How about the fact that the passengers who were right above the center wing tank were hardly singed or cut up, despite the fact that they were sitting on top of the place that was supposed to have exploded, while people in the first class cabin were all cut up, and also the first ones ejected from the airplane?
How about the fact that the nose gear doors were pushed in - and among the first objects to come off the plane?
All of this is ok with you?
The airline experienced its worst tragedy in July 1996, when Flight 800 exploded over the waters off Long Island, N.Y., killing all 230 on board.
That led to the resignation of Chief Executive Officer Jeffrey Erickson in October 1996, following the announcement of a $14.3 million quarterly loss related to the crash.
Connect the dots.
Stingers have a nominal ceiling of 10,000 feet, and TWA 800 was at 13,800. But the stingers are for taking out manueverable targets such as fighters and helicopters. For a 747 lumbering along straight and nearly level, the ceiling is substantially higher.
Truth will out
The eyewitness accounts include reports of people seeing the body of the missle. Seems like it would have to be larger than a Stinger for that to happen, even if it was a glint of sunlight off the missile.
There were also reports of a radar track of a boat (later claimed to have been a helicopter) from near the point where TWA800 blew up. As far as I know, the vessel, whatever it was, was never identified.
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