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Many people have asked me if I thought our security was being protected. Even prior to this I have told them that in no way has our government done the job of protecting our national sovereignly or security since we have a virtual open-border policy. Our borders are only secondary to the ‘legal' importation of individuals by corporate and business interests seeking to pay less for labor - at the expense of national security and US jobs. Government can not, does not, and will not be able to vouch for the interests of those temporarily moved into our nation via the H-1B, H-2B policies.

No matter what they say, these policies should be withdrawn, and never should have been allowed to exist in the first place. When greed trumps common sense - and plays to the tune of the socialist-globalist-multiculturist who desires borderless mega-government, we better stand up on our hind legs and yell, ‘STOP!' If we do not - we are part of the problem.

1 posted on 10/12/2001 9:19:58 PM PDT by Ron C.
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Want the hair on the back of your neck to stand up? Mine did - as well as causing quite a bit of blue-air in my house along with a lot of smoke coming out of my ears...

Read this, and spend a little time looking at the database. You'll experience some of the same symptoms if I don't miss my bet.

3 posted on 10/12/2001 9:23:39 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: Ron C.; OKCSubmariner; Nita Nupress; backhoe
Did you hear John Ashcroft today talking about ArgenBright,the security agency for a lot of airports?

He said he was fining them for having ex-cons etc, on the payroll.

So, I googled ArgenBright.

They were bought by another company a year ago!

"Securicor,PLC,"is the new owner!

How could Ashcroft not know?

Both ArgenBright and Securicor are/were into prison labor!

This company is a UK entity.

I can find the CEO and directors, but not the stockholders.

Their website lists all the Arabic countries they are in!

I smell something!

5 posted on 10/12/2001 9:37:16 PM PDT by Betty Jo
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To: Ron C.
Bump
6 posted on 10/12/2001 10:05:05 PM PDT by Rocky
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To: Ron C.
Stop this? Not going to happen. The "immigrants" will work cheaper. Bottom line.

They will keep hiring nobodies at minimum-wage to check and scan our bags. Why? Money.

Not one dollar of our $15 billion welfare transfer to the airlines will be spent to increase security. Why? Why would they? they don't have too. Deals done. Will scare people about "federalization" (like the FAA or the FBI is not "federalized.") Why? money.

Suspicious aliens loading our planes and preparing meals (like those three guys in Detroit. ) A safety concern, yes. But they work cheaper.

Safety is a cost. Why spend more to create a middle-class force of professional security people (heaven forbid!) when the airlines can externalise the cost by sacrificing lives?

It's a done deal. If the airlines can get their juicy welfare package with nary a thought or debate, why would they have to give any of it up?

8 posted on 10/12/2001 10:22:59 PM PDT by Shermy
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When I checked out some avaition accademies a year and a half ago, I didn't see many American fly boys!

I felt like I was in the international studies wing of college campuses.
9 posted on 10/12/2001 10:27:52 PM PDT by Soul Citizen
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Hey, newbie - take a number...

Ron C. Disrupting other members since October 13th, 2001

hehehe


15 posted on 10/13/2001 1:37:09 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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Good work Ron. The H1-B visa program has been a sore topic for me over the last couple of years. I realized what was going on here but could never provide a good resource for others to get up to speed on the topic. That is until now! This is great.

Ron, I am at a loss to understand the policies of our elected officials in so many areas I've just about decided to drop out and quite worrying about it.

Either I am over the hill and too stupid to understand what the heck is going on, or our government officials have simply declared war on our own nation and citizens. Neither possibility is very appealing.

To say the least, I am very demoralized by what I am seeing. Someone else posted that the feds are about to allow people from upwards of 29 nations to enter our nation without visas. You could go ahead and tell me that our government wants to play it safe. Just don't ever expect me to believe a word of it.

16 posted on 10/13/2001 1:46:19 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Ron C.
BTW, the fact that we could easily have terrorist pilots hired by the airlines is something we ought to consider before we "strengthen" those cockpit doors.
19 posted on 10/13/2001 2:30:48 AM PDT by Lion's Cub
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Oh come on yall. This is just good old American Capitalism! More bang for your buck. Cheaper product and all that. You must be ANTICAPITALIST!

Are you against Foreigners. Foreigners love us; and our way of life. It is just one or two people who don’t like us and want to destroy us all. To paint with such a broad brush….Why you must be a……. RACIST!

Go get the tin foil hat buddy you NEED it. (/sarcasm)

20 posted on 10/13/2001 3:09:19 AM PDT by AlligatorEyes
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Thanks for the heads up! };^D)

Quote of the Day by clintonh8r

21 posted on 10/13/2001 3:12:28 AM PDT by RJayneJ
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Its' between the choice of getting people to pay flight hours for your struging flight schools and airlines, or getting them booted out. In Europe it is between having their trash picked up in the morning by arabs, or having it sit there and rot. I tell you what, the West has lost touch with reality.
27 posted on 10/13/2001 4:33:16 AM PDT by lavaroise
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The real problem here for this guy is being a white male engineer, unemployed in Californicate. The bias against them is very real. You can tell when you interview by the attitudes of foreign nationals that now dominate many of the Valley firms. When I was an unemployed CA engineer I learned quickly not to waste time, gasoline, and money seeking employment at these kinds of firms. Even when you do manage to score a job at foreign dominated companies your potential is severly limited. The foreigners play all the traditional industry games with great expertise. Limiting your authority to get anything done, with holding critical information while colorbating with their own kind, with holding resources from your project, etc.

When I worked for companies that were traditional American friendly I was a good performer. When at one of the "other" foreign preference companies, it made me hate getting out of bed in the morning.

I interviewed at one wafer manufacturer that was dominated by Indian types, and quickly observed they were bumbling along and in need some competent expertise. The hiring manager could hardly conceal his anti white bias so I told him he had wasted half a day of my time and walked out.

Get out of Californicate and your life gets back on track pretty quickly.

30 posted on 10/13/2001 5:22:52 AM PDT by SSN558
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The terrorist attacks have made me rethink my views on H-1B visas. I am much closer to your view on this issue than I ever have been. That said, there is part of what you wrote that I think is just not a winning way of presenting the argument:
But as bad as that possibility is, equally deadly is the policy of government to allow greedy corporate employers to decimate the economy of the US through the destruction of the job market for Americans.
This is a losing issue for us in a number of ways:

The painting of corporations as greedy is counterproductive. When conservatives start making that argument, it enables to political left to persue their agenda of pushing anti-business legislation, punishing tax rates, social engineering through environmental regulations, and so on.

You say that corporations are greedy. They are not. Corporations are neutral. They may have greedy people in positions of power within the corporation, but they are not greedy in and of themselves. There are greedy people in all aspects of life, and it is unlikely to be changed by the laws we pass.

Besides, when you start in with the populist speil about the corporate boogeyman, you are fighting the war on the turf of the collectivists, the socialists, the communists, the Democrats, and their minions in the upper echelons of big labor. You fall into the same trap that northeast Republicans have fallen into. There, Republicans have often acted like Democrats, only not quite as extreme. You know them as RINOs. When having to choose between Democrats and faux-Democrats, the voters end up going with the "real thing" more times than not. The same priciple applies here, and should have been one of the lessons learned from the Buchanan campaign of 2000. When faced with candidates that sell the anti-corporate line (traditionally favored by the collectivists), those voters who decided to cast their vote that way went for the real enchilada- a leftist like Nader or a leftist like Gore.

I also know that not all of the jobs given to H-1B visa holders correspond to jobs that otherwise would have gone to Americans. My company has several programmers hired on these visas, and the reason we have them is the Americans who applied for the jobs were unqualified AND wanted even more money. The choice is not between them or an American, the choice is between being able to do the job at a price that would allow us to win contracts and get the work, and us not (and without those contracts, there goes this American's job, and the jobs of the 95% of my company that are citizens). Maybe you then say, if every company faced the same thing, then it would not be a problem, and I would say then that this would mean that doing work would cost more overall, which would mean that less work would be done. It is a balancing act that is not as simple as the populist mantra makes it seem, and many people sense this intuitively. As such, making this appeal turns them off the way Al Gore's "I will fight for you" calls turned me off.

This is a legitimate issue, however. The H-1B visa program has spiraled out of control as you have pointed out, and there are security issues that go beyond questions of employment. In other words, the policy you are driving for is the right one, but I implore you to press upon everyone you know in the party to come up with another way to drive the point home and sell it to the voters.

32 posted on 10/13/2001 5:34:39 AM PDT by Hugh Akston
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To: Ron C.; Manny Festo; Zadokite; TrueBeliever9; William Wallace; Victoria Delsoul; Luis Gonzalez...
Incredible thread! Thank you for the flag.
34 posted on 10/13/2001 7:43:25 AM PDT by Prodigal Daughter
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Ron, I have one question for you. Is it your position that the US government is responsible for safeguarding people's jobs?
41 posted on 10/13/2001 2:41:23 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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H-1B's are also connected with the "deemed export" regulation.

Hiring foreign nationals to work on sensitive technology is called a "deemed export" and needs an export license.

Read all about it at http://www.bxa.doc.gov.

At the same time, the government's review of export licenses has been gutted.

See http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3af2567722df.html.

So foreign terrorists can come and legally get training on full motion simulators, which aren't export controlled. If they were export controlled, the schools would need an export license to enroll these students.

52 posted on 10/13/2001 8:39:20 PM PDT by pttttt
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Great work Ron C. I signed the petition and will pass it on to friends.

Checking out the different states I found something interesting in Macomb, Illinois. A company named Tatco Biotech Inc., is recruiting thru H-1B. Now I don't know what kind of Biotech company this is but it raises my curiosity as to what KINDS OF THINGS MIGHT BE LOADED ONTO PLANES AND FLOWN AROUND IN OUR AIRSPACE.

This is way out of hand.

55 posted on 10/13/2001 9:05:39 PM PDT by slimer
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Bump
58 posted on 10/14/2001 11:10:23 PM PDT by slimer
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