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Terrorists Flying Planes Legally? - Government Lies and Your Future
email and the net - go see! ^ | 10/12/01 | Ron C. (passing on word from others)

Posted on 10/12/2001 9:19:58 PM PDT by Ron C.

"We are doing everything possible to protect the security of Americans." How many times have you heard that? Don't believe a word of it. Here you'll see and learn why.

From what I can tell, potential terrorists can be flying commercial planes legally, and could easily be working within most of the aviation industry of the US with the blessing of our government - and nothing is being done to halt that possibility from my perspective.

But as bad as that possibility is, equally deadly is the policy of government to allow greedy corporate employers to decimate the economy of the US through the destruction of the job market for Americans. Jobs are being given to aliens that take less money, send it out of the country and potentially support anti-American nations, if not terrorism itself. Meanwhile, those companies expose our industry secrets, practices and technological expertise to a host of known and potential enemies.

To get a taste of how corporate greed and government complicity in undermining your personal security - and that of the nation - take this little tour. You will have follow directions here carefully.

Click on THIS LINK, at which point you must do the following:

  1. click on Advanced Search on the left side of the page (a new browser window will open)
  2. under Select a Job Category - scroll down to Professional: Airline Pilots and Navigators and highlight it by clicking on it
  3. under Select a State - highlight California
  4. at the bottom of the page, click on Submit Query (if you get ‘missing data' hit the back button and re-submit query)
You'll be presented with two pages of aviation employers looking to hire non-immigrant nationals - at the bottom of the page hit the NEXT button. You'll see one company that is a few blocks from my home in Van Nuys that offered $110,000 per year to an H-1B non-immigrant pilot. That disturbs me because I've seen, and continue to see, some pretty shady characters around Van Nuys airport, the largest private and commercial airport in the nation.

For a little more of an eye-opener, close the search results window and go back to the beginning and do the same search - and select ‘Search all States' for the pilots and navigators. You'll see more than enough to question whether ‘everything possible is being done' to protect us from terrorists gaining potentially dangerous knowledge and expertise from within the aviation industry.

Last I want to share with you the email that has pointed to this information - and its impact on the lives of Americans attempting to compete in the job market with aliens given preference over them. Note that the main page of zazona has quite a bit of information about the H-1B policy, and the ramifications it has to national security, and your safety, as well as information about those aviation industries that figured in the WTC attack The website states:

    H-1B is one of many temporary nonimmigrant worker visa bills that allows companies in the United States to hire foreign workers.

    In the year 2001 over 195,000 more of these workers will be allowed into The United States. More than 671,000 H-1B workers will be employed in the U.S. by the end of 2001.

If this doesn't raise some eyebrows - and cause you to question the ‘everything possible' lie, nothing will.

I would highly recommend you do more than contact Congress and sign the petition. Three people need to hear from us in no uncertain terms. The President, the Vice President and the National Security Advisor CONDOLEEZZA RICE. Now here's that email, and I'm sure ‘John' would not mind hearing some support from you (link enhancement and emphasis are mine):

From: "John" <unemployed_engineer@nettaxi.com>
Subject: Where Did All The Jobs Go? - The H-1B Situation
Date: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:01 PM

Where Did All The Jobs Go? - The H-1B Situation

I am a software engineer living in Silicon Valley. Since February, I have been looking for work. My job skills are current and I have experience working at software, biotech and semiconductor firms. During this time, I have submitted hundreds of resumes for various positions. I have only had a few job interviews. However, those interviews were quite informative. For example, on a recent interview, I immediately noticed that the software managers and engineers were from other countries since English was not their first language. This appears to be the situation at all the companies I have recently interviewed with.

I was aware that Congress had recently doubled the number of H-1B visas for skilled foreign workers. "The H-1B nonimmigrant program is a voluntary program that allows employers to temporarily import and employ nonimmigrants admitted under H-1B visas to fill specialized jobs not filled by U.S. workers."

US Dept. of Labor - H-1B final rule

Each company hiring an H-1B employee is required to file a Labor Condition Application (LCA). An LCA is an application filed by a company that wants to hire a foreign national to fill a position within the United States. With this in mind, I wanted to determine how many engineering positions were filled by H-1B engineers at a given company. Since this should be public information, I went to my trusty search engine looking for a LCA database. For some reason, it does not appear that the INS (http://www.ins.gov) or other government web sites provide a LCA database. However, I finally found a web site which has a LCA database at: http://www.zazona.com/ShameH1B

The database link is at (http://www.zazona.com/LCA-Data). Their advanced database search is very helpful. For example in the advanced search, select the state as California, enter a city as Santa Clara, enter the employer name as Hewlett Packard and enter number of records as 100 then press the submit query button. You can see the positions and salaries of the H-1B employees. Looking at the data, we are not talking about a few dozen positions. We are talking about literally hundreds of positions. This is only for the HP offices in Santa Clara. Go back and do the above search but leave the enter a city blank. You will see that Hewlett Packard employs hundreds and hundreds of H-1B workers. Moreover, we are not only losing engineering jobs but H-1B visas are being granted for almost any conceivable position. Just look at the LCA database to see what types of jobs are being denied to U.S. citizens.

This appears to be the only site with a LCA database so I was wondering who created the site. There is an interesting article about its creator at http://www.thestandard.com

Following the recent tragic events, many large firms have instigated massive layoffs. Many engineers have been unable to find work for months. As mentioned above, the H-1B program allows employers to temporarily import and employ non U.S. citizens to fill specialized jobs not filled by U.S. workers. Go back and look at the list of jobs filled at Hewlett Packard by H-1B employees. I personally know of many individuals who are qualified for those positions but are unable to find work. Something is seriously wrong.

I've been told by many hiring agencies that companies now prefer to hire H-1B workers and work them long hours at lower wages - knowing they won't say anything fearing they would lose their H-1B status. At my last firm, the engineering manager had his engineers working many weekends. When one of the H-1B engineers complained, he said that there were plenty of engineers in Taiwan that wanted his place. I have heard other engineers say that managers like to threaten H-1B engineers with losing their H-1B status unless they do exactly what they are told. I've also heard and personally noticed that many companies are hiring H-1B managers with the expressed purpose of having them fill engineering positions with H- 1B engineers from their respective country. Many companies are finding this an inexpensive way to lower costs.

I believe with the current economic conditions the H-1B issue will become a very important topic in the coming months. Frankly, the media and press have not discussed the seriousness of this subject. Why? I believe they did not have the tools and databases required to see the size of the problem. Fortunately, the LCA data is now available at (www.zazona.com/ShameH1B). You can now determine how many and what type of jobs are being denied to unemployed U.S. citizens at a given company and location. What needs to be done to correct this grievous situation.

Congress needs to immediately change the law such that companies must provide immediate employment to qualified unemployed U.S. citizens if an H-1B employee is filling a position a citizen is qualified for. When a company has layoffs, the law should force that company to discharge H-1B employees before U.S. citizens. Let me repeat that the H-1B law says "specialized jobs not filled by U.S. workers". The law was clearly not intended to deny U.S. citizens jobs but this is precisely what it is doing.

Many companies will cry that there are not qualified replacements. I offer them the following challenge. Let me look at each position taken by an H-1B employee. Then let me find an unemployed citizen with similar qualifications. I personally know many unemployed individuals who are qualified for these positions.

Frankly, the U.S. is one of the few countries which now offers unlimited access to its job market at the expense of its own citizens. While going to college, if I had any idea that most of the engineering positions would be taken by H-1B labor, I would never have become an engineer. I advise young people not to become involved in engineering since companies find it easier to hire less expensive foreign labor. The H-1B managers prefer to hire more foreign labor - it's only human nature - so you have a vicious cycle. The end result is that U.S. citizens need not apply.

The recent terrorist events have shown the importance of having U.S. technology handled by U.S. citizens. If the current H-1B situation is not immediately changed, U.S. citizens will abandon the engineering field and our entire technology industry will be controlled by non-citizens. Think about it. You just lost your job and go to the LCA database to learn that 25 H-1B employees are still working in your position. You will not be a happy camper. What can you do to help?

Email this article to all your friends.

Encourage them to look at the LCA database. http://www.zazona.com/LCA-Data/ The job they are losing may be on the list.

Your most powerful action is to write your U.S. Congressperson and Senators. Remember, H-1B employees cannot vote but as a U.S. citizen, your vote counts. Even though powerful companies have heavily contributed to your congressional leaders to keep the H-1B laws in place, companies cannot vote - only you can. Don't let your job be eliminated next.

You can find your congressional representative at these links. Your Congressperson
http://www.house.gov/writerep/ Your Senators
http://www.senate.gov/contacting/index_by_state.cfm

Sign the petition. You will find a petition to send to your congressional representatives at

http://www.zazona.com/H1BPetition/P/petition.html

And finally, don't forget to make a phone call to your local Congressperson and write your local newspaper.

Unemployed Engineer unemployed_engineer@nettaxi.com


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Many people have asked me if I thought our security was being protected. Even prior to this I have told them that in no way has our government done the job of protecting our national sovereignly or security since we have a virtual open-border policy. Our borders are only secondary to the ‘legal' importation of individuals by corporate and business interests seeking to pay less for labor - at the expense of national security and US jobs. Government can not, does not, and will not be able to vouch for the interests of those temporarily moved into our nation via the H-1B, H-2B policies.

No matter what they say, these policies should be withdrawn, and never should have been allowed to exist in the first place. When greed trumps common sense - and plays to the tune of the socialist-globalist-multiculturist who desires borderless mega-government, we better stand up on our hind legs and yell, ‘STOP!' If we do not - we are part of the problem.

1 posted on 10/12/2001 9:19:58 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: JohnHuang2
Want the hair on the back of your neck to stand up? Mine did - as well as causing quite a bit of blue-air in my house along with a lot of smoke coming out of my ears...

Read this, and spend a little time looking at the database. You'll experience some of the same symptoms if I don't miss my bet.

3 posted on 10/12/2001 9:23:39 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: JohnHuang2
For related news see this AP tidbit:

State Department official says more information needed to screen visa applicants

4 posted on 10/12/2001 9:28:34 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: Ron C.; OKCSubmariner; Nita Nupress; backhoe
Did you hear John Ashcroft today talking about ArgenBright,the security agency for a lot of airports?

He said he was fining them for having ex-cons etc, on the payroll.

So, I googled ArgenBright.

They were bought by another company a year ago!

"Securicor,PLC,"is the new owner!

How could Ashcroft not know?

Both ArgenBright and Securicor are/were into prison labor!

This company is a UK entity.

I can find the CEO and directors, but not the stockholders.

Their website lists all the Arabic countries they are in!

I smell something!

5 posted on 10/12/2001 9:37:16 PM PDT by Betty Jo
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To: Ron C.
Bump
6 posted on 10/12/2001 10:05:05 PM PDT by Rocky
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To: Ron C.
Thanks for the ping, Ron -- bookmarking
7 posted on 10/12/2001 10:12:50 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: Ron C.
Stop this? Not going to happen. The "immigrants" will work cheaper. Bottom line.

They will keep hiring nobodies at minimum-wage to check and scan our bags. Why? Money.

Not one dollar of our $15 billion welfare transfer to the airlines will be spent to increase security. Why? Why would they? they don't have too. Deals done. Will scare people about "federalization" (like the FAA or the FBI is not "federalized.") Why? money.

Suspicious aliens loading our planes and preparing meals (like those three guys in Detroit. ) A safety concern, yes. But they work cheaper.

Safety is a cost. Why spend more to create a middle-class force of professional security people (heaven forbid!) when the airlines can externalise the cost by sacrificing lives?

It's a done deal. If the airlines can get their juicy welfare package with nary a thought or debate, why would they have to give any of it up?

8 posted on 10/12/2001 10:22:59 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Ron C.
When I checked out some avaition accademies a year and a half ago, I didn't see many American fly boys!

I felt like I was in the international studies wing of college campuses.
9 posted on 10/12/2001 10:27:52 PM PDT by Soul Citizen
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To: 1John; AAPATRIOT; AKA Elena; Alas Babylon!; ALOHA RONNIE; ambrose; AmericanInTokyo; Angelwood...
Pinging for your attention... 8^)
13 posted on 10/13/2001 12:47:02 AM PDT by Ron C.
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To: Betty Jo; Ron C.
Feel free to use some of these:

Communicate! Let the Sons of....

to inform the Jackal Pack Press about this.... while they try to panic everyone with "white powder terror!" a lot is slipping under their radar....

14 posted on 10/13/2001 1:20:06 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Ron C.
Hey, newbie - take a number...

Ron C. Disrupting other members since October 13th, 2001

hehehe


15 posted on 10/13/2001 1:37:09 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: Ron C.
Good work Ron. The H1-B visa program has been a sore topic for me over the last couple of years. I realized what was going on here but could never provide a good resource for others to get up to speed on the topic. That is until now! This is great.

Ron, I am at a loss to understand the policies of our elected officials in so many areas I've just about decided to drop out and quite worrying about it.

Either I am over the hill and too stupid to understand what the heck is going on, or our government officials have simply declared war on our own nation and citizens. Neither possibility is very appealing.

To say the least, I am very demoralized by what I am seeing. Someone else posted that the feds are about to allow people from upwards of 29 nations to enter our nation without visas. You could go ahead and tell me that our government wants to play it safe. Just don't ever expect me to believe a word of it.

16 posted on 10/13/2001 1:46:19 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
This is nothing new. A very close friend of mine that worked for Hughes Aircraft industrial division in the 70s and 80s that over half their engineers were foreign and happilly earning $18k or less when he was making $50k and tickeled to death to be making that much. I went to a Christmas party at his house in the late 70s and half the people there were these foreign engineers, people that he worked with.
17 posted on 10/13/2001 2:16:06 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: DoughtyOne
Someone else posted that the feds are about to allow people from upwards of 29 nations to enter our nation without visas

Not "about to allow", but currently allows...US mulls visa-waiver for 29 countries
According to the State Department web site, the 29 participating countries are: Andorra, Argentina, Austria, Australia, Belgium Brunei, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, San Marino, Singapore, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, the United Kingdom and Uruguay.

18 posted on 10/13/2001 2:28:37 AM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: Ron C.
BTW, the fact that we could easily have terrorist pilots hired by the airlines is something we ought to consider before we "strengthen" those cockpit doors.
19 posted on 10/13/2001 2:30:48 AM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: Ron C.; Shermy
Oh come on yall. This is just good old American Capitalism! More bang for your buck. Cheaper product and all that. You must be ANTICAPITALIST!

Are you against Foreigners. Foreigners love us; and our way of life. It is just one or two people who don’t like us and want to destroy us all. To paint with such a broad brush….Why you must be a……. RACIST!

Go get the tin foil hat buddy you NEED it. (/sarcasm)

20 posted on 10/13/2001 3:09:19 AM PDT by AlligatorEyes
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